Content Post Bill Belichick's draft strategy.

[cmasspatsfan]

Bad drafting and bad use of draft picks have cost the Pats 2 Super Bowls. Maybe 3 if you included 2006 AFCC vs the Colts. The year they picked Chad Jackson.

Bad drafting costs 31 teams the Super Bowl every year according to your thought process.

 

[Triumph]

You're referring to one-trick pony Matthews who gets blown up in the run game. And how many sacks did he get last year (answer 6 sacks and 37 tackles)? With those stats here in NE everyone would be calling him a bust and demanding he be run out of town.

Being a good defensive player is more than making 6 plays a year.

6 sacks, 9 passes defensed, 3 INTs, 3 forced fumbles and 1 TD.

Bring those 1 trick pony Busts to NE all day long.

Green Bay Packers: Clay Matthews

 

[Mark Morse]

Huh?!? Only seven players have been good or great in the last seven drafts? What are you smoking? Let's review the players you missed per draft:

2011
Too early to tell, but Cannon, Dowling, Vereen, and/or Ridley could be starters. Possibly several of them could be very good starters

2010
Brandon Spikes - Solid two down player and starter. Based on how he ended the season last year into the playoffs, he could be a big playmaker.
Brandon Deadrick - Turning into a solid player and possible starter, excellent pick for a seventh rounder
Zoltan Mesko is one of the better punters in the league

2009
Patrick Chung - a solid starter
Myron Pryor - Solid rotational guy and an excellent sixth round pick

2008
None to speak of after Mayo

2007
Brandon Meriweather was not the player we hoped for but he did play at a Pro Bowl level for a while

2006
Stephen Gostkowski is one of the best kickers in the NFL

2005
Ellis Hobbs was a decent starter for a few years
James Sanders also a decent starter for a few years
Nick Kazcur started for a few years
Matt Cassel started for this team in a 11-5 season and turned his 7th round pick status into the 34th pick in the 2009 draft.

Look at all the busts.

The Pats haven't been one of the best drafters in the past seven years, but not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. Yes, they had a few bad years, but the last two or three drafts have been pretty good.

Hey Bro you forgot a couple of very important players ... Gronk and Hernandez were pretty damn good from the 2010 draft. Remember they also gave up three draft picks in the signing of Welker and Moss. When you add that to theor draft haul, its pretty impressive.

Don't forget Ted Larsen from the 2010 draft. We couldn't keep him on the 53 man roster and he got picked off waivers at the final cutdown. He has started at OG for Tamp Bay for two years.

Also add the fact that BB has kept an Un-Drafted Free Agent on the final cutdown roster every year he has been here.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Heres a simple exercise.

How many 1st round draft picks have the Pats blown with BB?

How many late round draft picks have been a waste?

If youre going to trade down for late picks and they bust, what good was trading down from a 1st round draft slot where youve been the most successful?

And, trading into the 2nd round from the 1st has been a 50 - 50 proposition.

Bad drafting and bad use of draft picks have cost the Pats 2 Super Bowls. Maybe 3 if you included 2006 AFCC vs the Colts. The year they picked Chad Jackson.

Here's an even simpler exercise.

Answer the question.

If two plays - one in each of the Patriots most recent Super Bowls - go differently they have 5 SBs in 10 years.

Those two plays would not alter the draft and free agent picks you've illustrated.

Shall we assume you will be consistent and be the lone Patriots fan critical of Belichick's paltry record of winning only half the Super Bowls that decade?

Or if those two plays turned out differently would you suddenly reverse course and applaud all of Beleichicks moves and coaching to earn such an incredible achievement.

TWO PLAYS. Please answer the question and don't change the subject.

 

[Triumph]

Here's an even simpler exercise.

Answer the question.

If two plays - one in each of the Patriots most recent Super Bowls - go differently they have 5 SBs in 10 years.

Those two plays would not alter the draft and free agent picks you've illustrated.

Shall we assume you will be consistent and be the lone Patriots fan critical of Belichick's paltry record of winning only half the Super Bowls that decade?

Or if those two plays turned out differently would you suddenly reverse course and applaud all of Beleichicks moves and coaching to earn such an incredible achievement.

TWO PLAYS. Please answer the question and don't change the subject.

Bad drafting and bad use of draft picks put the Pats in a position to be win or lose by 1 play.

 

[Rob0729]

Hey Bro you forgot a couple of very important players ... Gronk and Hernandez were pretty damn good from the 2010 draft. Remember they also gave up three draft picks in the signing of Welker and Moss. When you add that to theor draft haul, its pretty impressive.

Don't forget Ted Larsen from the 2010 draft. We couldn't keep him on the 53 man roster and he got picked off waivers at the final cutdown. He has started at OG for Tamp Bay for two years.

Also add the fact that BB has kept an Un-Drafted Free Agent on the final cutdown roster every year he has been here.

Didn't forget Gronk and Hernandez. I responded to a post that said other than Gronk, Hernandez, and five other picks, all of the Pats' draft picks over the last seven years have been busts.

 

[Rob0729]

Bad drafting and bad use of draft picks put the Pats in a position to be win or lose by 1 play.

Seriously Triumph, if you are going to continually avoid answering JoeSixPat's question, you really shouldn't answer it with stupidity. Do you really realize how stupid you sound when you say it was bad drafting that made the Pats one or two plays away from winning two Super Bowls in the last four years?

I although I am done arguing with you on this subject, your stubbornness to the point of stupidity is quite enjoyable to watch.

 

[Ring 6]

Bad drafting and bad use of draft picks put the Pats in a position to be win or lose by 1 play.

You should find a different sport to spend your time discussing.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Shall we assume you will be consistent and be the lone Patriots fan critical of Belichick's paltry record of winning only half the Super Bowls that decade?

Bad drafting and bad use of draft picks put the Pats in a position to be win or lose by 1 play.

Translation: "Probably."

 

[Triumph]

Seriously Triumph, if you are going to continually avoid answering JoeSixPat's question, you really shouldn't answer it with stupidity. Do you really realize how stupid you sound when you say it was bad drafting that made the Pats one or two plays away from winning two Super Bowls in the last four years?

I although I am done arguing with you on this subject, your stubbornness to the point of stupidity is quite enjoyable to watch.

Look whose back. You werent happy with the last word.

First off, stupidity is implying that certain fans want the Pats to lose so they can be proven right. Talk about an Idiot. I lost over $4000 on this last Super Bowl.

Why would I want the Pats to lose? Answer my question or STFU.

I questioned the Safety position prior to the 2011 season and "Know It Alls" like you came out of the woodwork to tell me how wrong I was. Do you think that I enjoy that the Pats secondary sucks?

People like you will tell me how good the NE secondary really is. Go blow sunshine up somebody elses axx, OK?

 

[Triumph]

You should find a different sport to spend your time discussing.

I noticed that nobody answered my question.

You know everything Andy. How about giving it a go?

Why trade down from the 1st round where youve had the most success to lower rounds where you had less success? There have been very few 1st round Busts: Maroney and Meriwether.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Bad drafting and bad use of draft picks put the Pats in a position to be win or lose by 1 play.

Light and Faulk are the only players left from their first SB win, Belichick has somehow managed to rebuild the Patriots completely around Brady without ever dropping off and winning at an historic rate, and you are b.tching and whining and screaming about how he can't draft. To put it as politely as I can you are completely ridiculous and your argument has no merit at all. The patriots are AFC champions and getting better, it doesn't get better than this as a sports fan.

 

[rookBoston]

We discussed the concept of an infinite 2nd round annuity in depth almost exactly one year ago.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england.../13/752629-richard-seymour-draft-annuity.html

 

[Ring 6]

I noticed that nobody answered my question.

You know everything Andy. How about giving it a go?

Why trade down from the 1st round where youve had the most success to lower rounds where you had less success? There have been very few 1st round Busts: Maroney and Meriwether.

Because trading down from the end of the first to the middle of the second and gaining a 1st next year is an intelligent move. You gain an extra pick. Over time the value vastly exceeds using the pick. Teams that are desperated will take $20 today for $40 next year. BB is not desperate, and the results prove both that he is not, and that a team is better off because of it.
Its really not that hard to understand.

 

[Ron Sellers]

I noticed that nobody answered my question.

Why trade down from the 1st round where youve had the most success to lower rounds where you had less success? There have been very few 1st round Busts: Maroney and Meriwether.

Depending on the circumstances the team may actually draft the same player they are targeting, and in the process pick up another draft pick that could contribute. You can't assume that they would draft a different player, or make a better pick by drafting earlier.

Of course it stands to reason that the earlier you pick, the higher probability of that player being productive. You need to also take into account the possibility that a larger number of draft picks will yield a larger number of productive players.

 

[Triumph]

Because trading down from the end of the first to the middle of the second and gaining a 1st next year is an intelligent move. You gain an extra pick. Over time the value vastly exceeds using the pick. Teams that are desperated will take $20 today for $40 next year. BB is not desperate, and the results prove both that he is not, and that a team is better off because of it.
Its really not that hard to understand.

How are Butler and Brace building value? Dont you get it? If you are picking a Gronk with that 2nd every draft the trade was worth it.

Thats not whats been happening though.

1st round picks built the Pats into Super Bowl Champions - Law, Mcginest, Seymour, Woody, Warren and Wilfork.

 

[Sciz]

Would you rather Belichick picks a player that he doesn't think is worth the original pick?

 

[Rob0729]

Look whose back. You werent happy with the last word.

First off, stupidity is implying that certain fans want the Pats to lose so they can be proven right. Talk about an Idiot. I lost over $4000 on this last Super Bowl.

Why would I want the Pats to lose? Answer my question or (Please be quiet - edited).

I questioned the Safety position prior to the 2011 season and "Know It Alls" like you came out of the woodwork to tell me how wrong I was. Do you think that I enjoy that the Pats secondary sucks?

People like you will tell me how good the NE secondary really is. Go blow sunshine up somebody elses axx, OK?

I gave you the opportunity to have the last word. I said I was done arguing with you about draft picks and why the Pats lost the Super Bowl which I am, but you just fascinate me now. You now claim that you bet $4k on the Pats winning the Super Bowl even though:

• you knew from before the season that their secondary wasn't any good,

• you feel that the Pats CBs couldn't cover the Steelers' WR if the Pats' faced them in the playoffs (even though Victor Cruz got about 370 more yards and Hakeem Nicks, who missed a game this season, got one less yard than the Steelers' #1 WR , Mike Wallace)

• Eli Manning passed for 67 yards shy of 5,000 during the season and passed for over 1,200 yards in the post season

• you feel that the Pats have drafted horribly for the last 7 years and that is why they haven't won a Super Bowl

Do you really think anyone believes you that you that you bet $4k on the Pats' to win the Super Bowl? I am one of the most optimistic people on this board and I wouldn't bet $50 with my friend who is a Giants' fan. You have trashed Belichick the GM all year and you bet $4k?

BTW, I said before the season I was upset that the Pats went into the season with no experience at safety other than Patrick Chung and that was the biggest question mark on defense.

 

[Ring 6]

How are Butler and Brace building value? Dont you get it? If you are picking a Gronk with that 2nd every draft the trade was worth it.

Thats not whats been happening though.

1st round picks built the Pats into Super Bowl Champions - Law, Mcginest, Seymour, Woody, Warren and Wilfork.

Now I see the problem. You are one of those guys that think 5 players are a full team. There were many more 2nd, 3rd , 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round picks than 1sts on the Patriots SB winners and everyone else for that matter.
A football team is 53 players. When you can't get beyond the most famous 5 you don't understand the game.

In every case where a 1st was traded down into the 2nd, another 1st the following year was also received.
You want to trash the players drafted in the second round, well at least the ones you pick and choose selectively, but fail to recoginze these are extra picks gained by moving the 1st back 1 year (and usually higher).
Mayo was the result of this. And he is far better than anyone we would have picked the year before. Wilfork was also the result of trading down and getting a future first.

I know it sounds like a great way to trash BB to say he trades 1st round picks for late round picks. Sadly, you either don't know the facts, or do and decide to pretend you don't.
In either case, I go back to my original comment. You should find a different sport to discuss. You just aren't knowledgable about this one.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Boy this troll is getting fat. It's a wonder that you guys keep responding to him.