* Ye Official 2012 Mock Draft Thread!! *

[Wilfork#75]

Wilfork#75, why do you do this to me? The minute I fall in love with your binky Brandon Brooks, you post a mock without Brandon Brooks! (Face palm)

I've got to keep you on your toes buddy. Honestly, I think the only reason I don't have him in this mock is because of the Gallery signing. With so many vets on the roster I think its going to be tough for another interior lineman, especially with Koppen re-signing. I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we did draft Brooks though.

I was ready to get behind wilfork's mock except the trading of hoyer really kills it for me personally. I don't know why but i don't want hoyer to leave, like ever lol. I probably wouldn't even trade him for a first round pick if i was in charge. Yes, I know its weird.

I completely understand, and its nothing personal against Hoyer. I probably like him as a person more than a player and I wish he could stay on the team too. But the combination of value and the extra roster spot outweighed the 1 year of Hoyer.

It's remarkable testimony to how refreshingly divergent our tastes are, Brother Wilfork, that you and I both see the top of the 4th as being absolutely festooned with terrific Mid Round Values...that we both load up with no less than five Prospects in that Round...and that not one of them are the same!!

For the record, though, I think that MinniField, Randall, Broyles, and Acho are all tremendous Picks.

I think with the way the draft is structured now, the top of the 4th round will always be a great spot for value. Generally there will always be enough depth to get some talented players in the 4th round and guys will always expectantly slip. And with the dynamic nature of the draft, its very difficult to keep keep up and track each pick, especially through round 3. So being able to re-evaluate the board overnight between rounds 3 and 4 I think is a huge deal and makes those picks at the top of the 4th even more valuable.

And OTG, I still haven't had a chance to really sit down and go through your masterpiece yet. I'll try to over the next day or two. I want to make sure I give it the time and thought it deserves.

Cheers guys.

 

[Off The Grid]

I completely understand, and its nothing personal against Hoyer. I probably like him as a person more than a player and I wish he could stay on the team too.

But the combination of value and the extra roster spot outweighed the 1 year of Hoyer.

Exactly!!

That's precisely why I've been trading Hoyer in my Mocks:

1 ~ Those 50 Spots ~ after the Specs ~ add up with frightening rapidity. To me, it just makes more sense to have a 3rd QB on the Taxi Squad...and in the rare circumstance that we need a 3rd QB during a Game ~ May The Gods Forbid It!! ~ we can always roll with Master Craftsman Julian Edelman!!

When was the last time we've needed a 3rd QB in a game, due to injury?? Anyone??

2 ~ Losing Hoyer for ~ at the very most ~ a 2014 3rd Rounder ~ just to have him around for one more year would suck.

3 ~ And though I like Hoyer, I actually prefer the Potential of Kellen Moore far more.

 

[Off The Grid]

And OTG, I still haven't had a chance to really sit down and go through your masterpiece yet. I'll try to over the next day or two. I want to make sure I give it the time and thought it deserves.

Cheers guys.

No worries, Mate!! And thanks for the kind words!!

I wouldn't bother, either: I'm aiming to get V14.0 cranked out by next weekend!!

 

[Blackluck]

Here's my humble attempt at a mock w/ trades.

Trades:
1) 27 Trade to SD for 2) 49 and 2013 1 (not sure if the 1 is realistic but let's assume A.J. is desparate.)
1) 31 Trade to Bills for their 2nd (9) and 4th (105)

2-9 S. McClellin OLB
2-48 R. Keyes, DE/DT
2-49 Bruce Irvin, LB
2-62 Brandon Taylor, S
3 93 M. Martin, S
4 105 R. Brooks, CB
4 126 C. Rainey, RB/returner

Notes:
- B. Taylor is a major reach, but BB doesn't care. We need safety help in a big way - the trade to SD is so they can take H. Smith. BB reaches to secure a safety. I'm no draft guru but I've read safety class next year is much better. Also two safeties might be overkill, but Chung is hurt. A lot.

- I couldn't find room for WR A.J. Jenkins. I don't know if they target any other WRs, maybe G.Childs if they trade down and pick up another 4th or a 5th.

I do think we'll get a returner of some sort: B. Boykins, J. Adams also possibilities.

S. McClellin is probably a pipe dream. We've passed or ignored Barwin, Reed, Matthews etc. et al. in the past, and I've a feeling history repeats itself. I'd be excited to see either him or V.Curry as a Patriot though.

Edit; Oops, thanks for the correction Atippett (Brain cramp I guess)

 

[ATippett56]

Notes:

- B. Young is a major reach, but BB doesn't care. We need safety help in a big way - the trade to SD is so they can take H. Smith. BB reaches to secure a safety. I'm no draft guru but I've read safety class next year is much better. Also two safeties might be overkill, but Chung is hurt. A lot.

B. Young or Brandon Taylor?

Brandon Taylor, LSU, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

 

[ATippett56]

The ATippett56 New England Patriots Final 2012 NFL Mock Draft Special!

A Defensive Extravaganza!

2012 New England Patriots Mock Draft

#27 Dont'a Hightower, ILB/OLB Alabama
#31 Trade down to the Carolina Panthers for #40, #104, #216
#40 Kendall Reyes, DT Connecticut
#48 Shea McClellin, DE/OLB Boise State
#62 Jamell Fleming, CB Oklahoma (possible conversion to safety)
#93 Brandon Taylor, SS LSU
#104 Marvin Jones, WR California
#126 Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma (IR/PUP Candidate)
#216 Tony Dye, SS UCLA

NFL Draft Pick Values

#31 600 points
#40 500 points
#104 86 points
#216 5 points

 

[manxman2601]

The ATippett56 New England Patriots Final 2012 NFL Mock Draft Special!

A Defensive Extravaganza!

2012 New England Patriots Mock Draft

#27 Dont'a Hightower, ILB/OLB Alabama
#31 Trade down to the Carolina Panthers for #40, #104, #216
#40 Kendall Reyes, DT Connecticut
#48 Shea McClellin, DE/OLB Boise State
#62 Jamell Fleming, CB Oklahoma (possible conversion to safety)
#93 Brandon Taylor, SS LSU
#104 Marvin Jones, WR California
#126 Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma (IR/PUP Candidate)
#216 Tony Dye, SS UCLA

NFL Draft Pick Values

#31 600 points
#40 500 points
#104 86 points
#216 5 points

Shame you substituted McLellin for Lewis. Lewis has the much greater upside. But nevertheless, this is a great mock. Jones, Fleming and Broyles are all major binkies of mine and Hightower comes close.

I'm going to go on a limb and say that this is possibly the best mock we've had on Patsfans from my perspective. Well Done. (Just put lewis in next time please).

 

[Off The Grid]

Here's my humble attempt at a mock w/ trades.

Trades:

1) 27 Trade to SD for 2) 49 and 2013 1 (not sure if the 1 is realistic but let's assume A.J. is desparate.)

1) 31 Trade to Bills for their 2nd (9) and 4th (105)

2-9 S. McClellin OLB



2-48 R. Keyes, DE/DT



2-49 Bruce Irvin, LB



2-62 Brandon Taylor, S



3 93 M. Martin, S



4 105 R. Brooks, CB



4 126 C. Rainey, RB/returner



Notes:

- B. Taylor is a major reach, but BB doesn't care. We need safety help in a big way - the trade to SD is so they can take H. Smith. BB reaches to secure a safety. I'm no draft guru but I've read safety class next year is much better. Also two safeties might be overkill, but Chung is hurt. A lot.

- I couldn't find room for WR A.J. Jenkins. I don't know if they target any other WRs, maybe G.Childs if they trade down and pick up another 4th or a 5th.

I do think we'll get a returner of some sort: B. Boykins, J. Adams also possibilities.

S. McClellin is probably a pipe dream. We've passed or ignored Barwin, Reed, Matthews etc. et al. in the past, and I've a feeling history repeats itself. I'd be excited to see either him or V.Curry as a Patriot though.

Edit; Oops, thanks for the correction Atippett (Brain cramp I guess)

God, I LOVE the focus on Defense, this Draft Season!! :rocker:

 

[Off The Grid]

The ATippett56 New England Patriots Final 2012 NFL Mock Draft Special!

A Defensive Extravaganza!

2012 New England Patriots Mock Draft

#27 Dont'a Hightower, ILB/OLB Alabama



#31 Trade down to the Carolina Panthers for #40, #104, #216

#40 Kendall Reyes, DT Connecticut



#48 Shea McClellin, DE/OLB Boise State



#62 Jamell Fleming, CB Oklahoma



#93 Brandon Taylor, SS LSU



#104 Marvin Jones, WR California



#126 Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma



#216 Tony Dye, SS UCLA

McClellin, Fleming, Jones, Broyles, and Dye!! LOVE this Mock!! :rocker:

 

[Blackluck]

Thanks OTG for taking the time to post those pics

ATippett56's mock is really awesome, that would be an A+ draft. Getting Hightower would be a major coup for us.

 

[patsinthesnow]

The ATippett56 New England Patriots Final 2012 NFL Mock Draft Special!

A Defensive Extravaganza!

2012 New England Patriots Mock Draft

#27 Dont'a Hightower, ILB/OLB Alabama
#31 Trade down to the Carolina Panthers for #40, #104, #216
#40 Kendall Reyes, DT Connecticut
#48 Shea McClellin, DE/OLB Boise State
#62 Jamell Fleming, CB Oklahoma (possible conversion to safety)
#93 Brandon Taylor, SS LSU
#104 Marvin Jones, WR California
#126 Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma (IR/PUP Candidate)
#216 Tony Dye, SS UCLA

NFL Draft Pick Values

#31 600 points
#40 500 points
#104 86 points
#216 5 points

Great Draft! You proved to the talking heads in the main forum, (the should the pats draft a WR thread?), that the focus of the draft can be all defense and you can still get the young WR, in your case, you got 2. A young WR really isn't needed for 2012.

Then for 2013 we have a healthy 2nd year Broyles and a 2nd year Marvin Jones ready to go.

 

[State]

This is my most recent mock draft

I don't think you can get that deal done with KC without giving up our third (93) rather than our fourth (126).

I'm convinced that both firsts will likely not be traded down. I think only one will. I could also see trading up with Dallas if both Cox or Barron are available, two impact players I absolutely covet. Dallas would also have to give us a late-rounder if they have one, as our two firsts should bring us to #11. They probably don't won't to do that.

I think Bill wants to take an impact defensive player with one of the firsts, even if it's a mild reach like Shea McClellin (whom I don't view as a first-rounder) or Harrison Smith, rather than trading down and rolling the dice with mid-range second-rounder.

I think this is the draft we could trade up.

Our SS is a joke. Sergio Brown needs to go. What's our depth chart for strong safety, Gregory, Brown and Barrett? Wow, that's not gonna cut it. See Greg Bedard's mock. Pairing Chung with Barron (Bedard has us taking H. Smith at #27) would shore up our secondary like nothing else.

Conversely, pairing Wolfork and Cox side by side in a 4-3 or having Cox as a DE dramatically improves our front seven.

I think we need to keep in mind other safeties like Boise's George Iloka and South Carolina's Antonio Allen. I'm not sure, though, if a FS like Iloka can make a transition to SS if Chung is our FS.

Can anybody help me with this?

 

[ATippett56]

Great Draft! You proved to the talking heads in the main forum, (the should the pats draft a WR thread?), that the focus of the draft can be all defense and you can still get the young WR, in your case, you got 2. A young WR really isn't needed for 2012.

Then for 2013 we have a healthy 2nd year Broyles and a 2nd year Marvin Jones ready to go.

One particular clueless poster on the PatsFans message board knows nothing whatsoever about collegiate prospects let alone the strengths and weaknesses of the 2012 NFL Draft. Refer to the Should the Pats Draft a WR thread for details.

Marvin Jones and Ryan Broyles are my two wide receiver binkies in the 2012 NFL Draft. Marvin Jones may be the best route runner of all the wide receivers in the 2012 NFL Draft.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

2 ~ Losing Hoyer for ~ at the very most ~ a 2014 3rd Rounder ~ just to have him around for one more year would suck.

Except that's not how the Patriots view it: for about $1M and no draft picks, the Pats have gotten three years of piece of mind at the backup QB spot. [If they keep Hoyer this year, it'd be $3M for four years.]

That's a win even if they don't get anything for him next year.

 

[Sfpat]

One particular clueless poster on the PatsFans message board knows nothing whatsoever about collegiate prospects let alone the strengths and weaknesses of the 2012 NFL Draft. Refer to the Should the Pats Draft a WR thread for details.

Marvin Jones and Ryan Broyles are my two wide receiver binkies in the 2012 NFL Draft. Marvin Jones may be the best route runner of all the wide receivers in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Except that after about 3 games many on this board will label them as busts because they haven't gotten off the bench. Patience in developing players just isn't allowed around here (I think both would be great picks and major contributors in a few years)

 

[ATippett56]

Patience in developing players just isn't allowed around here (I think both would be great picks and major contributors in a few years)

Patience does not seem to be allowed with the New England Patriots coaching staff either with regard to wide receivers. Wide receivers Brandon Tate and Taylor Price were both cut in calendar year 2011.

 

[Off The Grid]

Exactly!!

That's precisely why I've been trading Hoyer in my Mocks:

1 ~ Those 50 Spots ~ after the Specs ~ add up with frightening rapidity. To me, it just makes more sense to have a 3rd QB on the Taxi Squad...and in the rare circumstance that we need a 3rd QB during a Game ~ May The Gods Forbid It!! ~ we can always roll with Master Craftsman Julian Edelman!!

When was the last time we've needed a 3rd QB in a game, due to injury?? Anyone??

2 ~ Losing Hoyer for ~ at the very most ~ a 2014 3rd Rounder ~ just to have him around for one more year would suck.

3 ~ And though I like Hoyer, I actually prefer the Potential of Kellen Moore far more.

Except that's not how the Patriots view it: for about $1M and no draft picks, the Pats have gotten three years of piece of mind at the backup QB spot. [If they keep Hoyer this year, it'd be $3M for four years.]

That's a win even if they don't get anything for him next year.

Ah...Reading minds, now, are we, my friend?

To claim that you know for a fact that "how the Patriots view it" is that we should just walk away from, for instance, an additional 2012 early 3rd Rounder ~ if that happens to be what we could get for Hoyer ~ simply because he's already provided us great value is kind of ridiculous, dontcha think??

Do we deliberately stop scoring, just because we're up, 21-0??

That's the "logic" you're selling, here.

If the Patriots view ~ I don't have your Swami Powers ~ one more year of Hoyer plus a 2014 Comp Pick ~ who's highest possible Value in 2012 "dollars" is a 5th Rounder, keep in mind ~ to be more valuable than what they can get on the Open Market, then it goes without saying that they'll Stand Pat.

***

But as I've explained more than once, my Mock isn't an attempt to predict what the Patriots would do.

It's an explanation of what I would do.

So to criticize it based on your telekinetic ability to read Coach Bill's mind and know with certainty "how the Patriots view it", has absolutely no bearing on the subject, does it?

 

[Sfpat]

Patience does not seem to be allowed with the New England Patriots coaching staff either with regard to wide receivers. Wide receivers Brandon Tate and Taylor Price were both cut in calendar year 2011.

I don't disagree with you on that

 

[goldenaleus]

Without trades:

27 - Peter Konz C Wisconsin
31 - Harrison Smith S Notre Dame
48 - Kendall Reyes DE/DT Connecticut
62 Zach Brown OLB North Carolina
93 Chase Minnifield CB/KR Virginia
126 Tommy Streeter WR Miami

 

[goldenaleus]

With trade:

1st round trade Patriots send 27+31 to KC

11 - Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
48 - Jayron Hosely CB Viginia Tech
62 - Brandon Taylor S LSU
93 - Terrell Manning OLB NC State
126 - Tommy Streeter WR Miami