Patriots Player Departure Antwaun Molden signs with Giants

[NinjaZX6R]

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

"For the most part" is a pretty broad term. In today's NFL, the importance of covering the slot is far greater than it used to be. Like I said (and you so wonderfully ignored), how smart would it be to cover Welker with your third best corner? Not smart at all, I would say. And the way Cruz was playing coming into that game, lining up against him isn't going to cover up anyone's "weaknesses".

Come on, give me a break. Most teams, if not all, try to match up their two best CB's with the outside speedy receivers and hope that the corners can stay with them long enough until safety help comes across. It would be very unusual for any NFL coach to use one of his best corners inside and leave the outside vulnerable to long fly or post patterns.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Come on, give me a break. Most teams, if not all, try to match up their two best CB's with the outside speedy receivers and hope that the corners can stay with them long enough until safety help comes across. It would be very unusual for any NFL coach to use one of his best corners inside and leave the outside vulnerable to long fly or post patterns.

Funny. Rex Ryan does it all the time. He's far more qualified than you are or ever will be.

 

[Sicilian]

Come on, give me a break. Most teams, if not all, try to match up their two best CB's with the outside speedy receivers and hope that the corners can stay with them long enough until safety help comes across. It would be very unusual for any NFL coach to use one of his best corners inside and leave the outside vulnerable to long fly or post patterns.

Good lord... ok, I'm done. Good luck with that generalization.

 

[supafly]

That is not entirely accurate. Crusade? Possibly yes. Why? because as a Pats fan I believe that Arrington's presence on the field is a detriment to the overall success of the defense, and the team as a whole.

Should I be chastized for that? Absolutely not. In fact, the majority of my negative comments about Arrington have been in direct response to other posts where his name was mentioned.

Chould I be criticized for having an opinion, albeit a different one from, allegedly the majority, but still a personal opinion?

Why is it, because I am a new poster and not a member of the clique, or the group, or whatever you want to call them.

Being a long time poster makes them no better, or worse, than me. We are all fans, with different opinions, but none the less, we root for the same team and wish for the same outcome.

So what if opinions are different. Without them there would be no need for this forum, or any others.

Now, give me a few moments and I will see if there is another player that I can be critical of. Oh wait, I have been beaten to that by many other posters in this forum, from what I have read now and then.

So, why is my criticism any different? Oh yeah, I forgot, I am new. I havent paid my dues.

There are no cliques and it has nothing to do with post count. The only reason post count is brought up is b/c many trolls usually come here and leave, therefore they have lower post counts. That's all.

You are failing to give credit where it's due regarding Arrington and his abilities. You may hate him, and you may think he's not very good--that is fine...inaccurate on some level, but you're entitled to your opinion.

You have to tone it down a bit, and be reasonable about your stance. There were many good things that he has done here, and as I said last night guys like UDFA Arrington who overachieve pave the way towards bigger signings for more expensive guys like Brady and Wilfork etc. That's what the salary cap era is all about.

If you just admit that you were too harsh in your stance and move on, there won't be any issues. I am sure there were some times when Arrington's plays made you happy this year. Why don't you try admitting that he offers value with his contract and depth?

If you feel that he could/should be upgraded, then fine, but understand that being extremely one-sided is going to bring you lots of attention and comments at the same time. If Arrington gets upgraded this year by a better player, that would be a very good thing b/c it means our CB depth has improved tremendously.

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Good lord... ok, I'm done. Good luck with that generalization.

Do you have an aversion to facts?

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

I am sure there were some times when Arrington's plays made you happy this year.

Not really!!!! I was happy that he made the interceptions that he did but too much praise was heaped upon him as five of the seven were the type that anyone with decent hands, maybe even you, could have made. He has a decent ability to move well with the ball though, once he makes the INT. But, that it not important as his weak cover skills are.

BTW, there were times when I thought he would be the right guy for a corner blitz but they rarely used him in that way. I think he had a knack for it.

If you feel that he could/should be upgraded, then fine, but understand that being extremely one-sided is going to bring you lots of attention and comments at the same time. If Arrington gets upgraded this year by a better player, that would be a very good thing b/c it means our CB depth has improved tremendously.

And, the rest of your post is taken and appreciated.

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

He's far more qualified than you are or ever will be.

Are you sure about that????

 

[Sicilian]

Do you have an aversion to facts?

Yup. You caught me. I hate facts.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Are you sure about that????

Yes. He is a HC of a NFL Team and you are some message board troll.

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Yes. He is a HC of a NFL Team and you are some message board troll.

Then he and I must have had a handshake or two a few times at midfield. I felt bad for him too because every time I had to say, "but your guys played well and maybe some day you will be the smiling one"

 

[supafly]

And, the rest of your post is taken and appreciated.

Just giving you some advice buddy, take what you want from it. Before this thread I didn't notice any major alerts that would have made me believe that you were an ********* or a troll etc, we actually had a few comments back and forth that seemed fine to me.

Hopefully you got all of your anti-Arrington hate out in this thread, and we can all go back to being thankful that Molden is now on another team

 

[Sciz]

Then he and I must have had a handshake or two a few times at midfield. I felt bad for him too because every time I had to say, "but your guys played well and maybe some day you will be the smiling one"

Did you REALLY just claim to be an NFL coach?

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Then he and I must have had a handshake or two a few times at midfield. I felt bad for him too because every time I had to say, "but your guys played well and maybe some day you will be the smiling one"

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Did you REALLY just claim to be an NFL coach?

Read the post that it was in response to. Or maybe it is over your head a bit.?

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Just giving you some advice buddy, take what you want from it. Before this thread I didn't notice any major alerts that would have made me believe that you were an ********* or a troll etc, we actually had a few comments back and forth that seemed fine to me.

Hopefully you got all of your anti-Arrington hate out in this thread, and we can all go back to being thankful that Molden is now on another team

You are correct, I am not a troll. Just another Pats fan, like most people in here that have opinions of their own. Mine just in some cases happen to be different than the clique that seems to think they own this place because they have been here for a long time.

Well, they can keep thinking that if they want to but I will continue posting my opinions on matters pertaining to the team that I love and if some of those opinions rub them the wrong way, then tough crapola.

That is how it is and how it will be.

If they prefer to turn discussion into personal agendas, then it speaks much less of their ability to conduct two way discussion. There was a political organization in Europe about 75 years ago that operated the same way. How'd that work out?

And yes you and I had some good conversation as I have had with some of the other "less fortunates" in here. But life always has its little ups and downs, especially if one is an elevator operator.

 

[supafly]

You are correct, I am not a troll. Just another Pats fan, like most people in here that have opinions of their own. Mine just in some cases happen to be different than the clique that seems to think they own this place because they have been here for a long time.

Well, they can keep thinking that if they want to but I will continue posting my opinions on matters pertaining to the team that I love and if some of those opinions rub them the wrong way, then tough crapola.

That is how it is and how it will be.

If they prefer to turn discussion into personal agendas, then it speaks much less of their ability to conduct two way discussion. There was a political organization in Europe about 75 years ago that operated the same way. How'd that work out?

And yes you and I had some good conversation as I have had with some of the other "less fortunates" in here. But life always has its little ups and downs, especially if one is an elevator operator.

There are some brilliant MF's in here, all kidding aside. I have learned a lot, and honestly PatsFans.com is a part of my hobbying/relaxation/football education 101 that I wouldn't want to live without. The first thing I will do when I graduate in the fall is buy a membership. Ian runs a great site, and does a lot of hard work to make it a decent place for us.

I'm not sure if you've seen many other NFL team forums, but this one is a bit different from what I have seen. My only other experience is scrolling through some of the 'other' Patriot sites, but in my opinion this one is by far the best.

The forum here on Patsfans.com has a bit of a higher standard in the sense that we try and back up opinions as much as possible with factual info and stats etc, even during times of differing opinions--which can be a lot. I have seen some other forums like JetsInsider (every now and then someone posts a link to a story or thread there) and the majority of the posters just spew off uninformed personal opinions and jump on each other.

I have found that it's good to try and avoid arguments and pissing matches as much as possible, even though that can be difficult at times--if you try and make an effort to limit those situations, it makes things easier for everyone. I also try and admit when I'm wrong as much as possible, as everyone makes mistakes from time to time. At the end of the day, we're all in the same boat in regards to being hardcore fans who just want a good place to discuss our favorite football team.

 

[Ring 6]

Is my analysis awful, in your mind, because it is the opposite of your analysis? Or could it be that your analysis is awful because it is the opposite of mine? Works both ways, doesn't it?

No it doesn't. Anyone who watched the Patriots and thinks Antwaun Molden is a better corner than Kyle Arrington cannot have any clue how to analyze what they are seeing.
Sorry to be blunt but if that is what you saw, you should discuss a different sport because you know nothing about this one.

Does the fact that you have been here, in this forum, for ages, make your analysis any better than mine? You are far from being infallible, as am I.

You have a real problem of repeating the same thing over and over and ignoring responses. Post count has nothing to do with it. Look at my comment above. That has everything to do with it.
You are simply trying to find an excuse to avoid accepting that you are wrong, so you pull the paranoia card out.

Is it possible that being upstaged by a newbie ruffles your feathers a bit?

My feathers are anything but ruffled. I tried to enter the discussion and give you some friendly advice. As I have said again, if you want to express the opinion that Moulden is better than Arrignton and make stuff up to support it (like Arrignton was benched when he wasn't or that his ints were plays he was beaten and the throw was 10 yards off target) you can do so, but you will have no credibility at all, as you are now learning. Blaming your lack of credibility ona fabricated idea that you are treated differently because you are new only reduces that credibility even more.

Andy, fact is, both of us have "unqualified" opinions on this particular player. I am sure that come September we will know which opinion is closer to fact.

September? What does that have to do with anything?
BB put Arrington on the field for more snaps than any corner, and left Moulden on the bench to play a WR ahead of him.
Arrington played substantially better than Moulden when he was on the field. Moulden in fact was a pathetic corner, perhaps the worst we have had in many years.
September doesn't add anything thing to the fact that anyone with any football knowledge could see 100 miles away that Arrington was far superior to Moulden last year.
The funny thing is that I am not a huge Arrington fan. I am hoping we add another corner and Arrington ends up as the #4. And STILL your comparing him to Moulden is one of the least intelligent football evaluations I have ever seen on this board.
Its fine if you don't like Arrington. I can find a lot of flaws in his game. But what you are doing is alienating half of the posters on this board by making ridiculous claims to overexaggerate based upon your hatred and then posting drivel like this about old posters and new posters and turning this into the ridiculous, childish, 'who knows maybe I am right, I could be' argument.

My suggestion to you is to stop posting in this thread immediately, and move on to something else while learning something from this. You do not have to say a guy you don't like is the worst football player ever to get your point acroiss that you don't like him. Turning threads into stupid points like the ppor new guy gets no respect is silly.
Maybe if you follow this you can begin to earn some general respect on this board. If you continue as you are, you never will.
That is my unsolicited advise to you, with all good intentions. If you choose not to take it and come back with another silly poor old new guy, my opinion counts as much as anyones response, kindly find someone else to carry on your discussion with, because I would not be interested.

 

[Ron Sellers]

And, I am sure that you, and others, will be mesmerized by the results that will prove that I am right.

If you do research only looking for facts to support your claim and opinion, it is most likely that is all you will find; that makes the research somewhat untrustworthy. Why not instead go in with an unbiased view and an open mind? That will make the results much more valid and objective. If you or anyone else takes the time to make a list of all the plays that (fill in the blank) did not perform to whatever standard you hold, it stands to reason that is all you will see. However it makes that list useless since there is no equal comparison with his peers.

However, based on the responses I have gotten, and reading the many, many other posts in this forum by the "I am always right" crowd, I doubt anyone will acknowledge it.

There is going to be a certain segment that will react that way whether you're a new employee, the new kid in school, or a new member of a message board. The reaction in any of those scenarios is going to increase when that person takes a very strong opinion on a subject that others may not agree with.

The pity of it all, however, is that those that have an opposing view on an issue, and who, allegedly are long time members here, have a belief that being a long time member makes them more knowledgeable than say a newer member with far fewer posts.

Similar to the response above, that should not be a surprise.

How do they know whether I, or anyone else in this or any other forum isnt a present day, or past day, NFL coach, or player or team owner or executive just trying to get a feel for what the fans think?

You know, it has been done, like on TV's "Undercover Boss."

Or, maybe I am Arrington himself. Could be, right?

This could be true. But the same could be done by reading said forum and not posting a comment. My question would be why would an executive with the Pats would be concerned with what some of their fans felt about the Giants signing Antwaun Molden? Since when does the team make personnel moves based on what the fans think?

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

To Ron Sellers and Andy Johnson: I have read both of your posts and appreciate your comments. I will attempt to be less vocal however, it is not my way, but will do what I can to tone it down a bit.

However, I do take exception to Andy's comment that I know nothing about football. Quite the contrary. Most of my opinions are based on what I see with my own eyes. And, when I tell you that I watch the games very, very intently, rarely do my eyes leave the screen for anything while the game is in progress.

My wife has told me that it appears as if I tune everything else out and stare at the screen, all the time, with paper and pen in hand to write down what I see.

Also, to answer Andy's question as to what September has to do with it, by September we will know if Arrington is one of the 53, or not.

And, I will repeat it again, Arrington was the worst corner on the Patriots roster last season. Unfortunately, people just look at the stats, seven ints, and really have no clue as to how those happened or what happened at many other times when he was lost in space.

But, no more of that. September will be here soon enough and we will all know.

So, I take your comments, both of you, in the way they were intended and will pay heed to toning it down, a bit....