Patriots Player Departure Antwaun Molden signs with Giants

[Deus Irae]

Now, tell me, what was a stupid "claim?"

I was generalizing there, as opposed to talking about a specific example. However, since you asked, here's one:

Arrington has been the worst cover corner on this team, ....

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

I was generalizing there, as opposed to talking about a specific example. However, since you asked, here's one:

And, why is that a stupid claim. It is my opinion based on what I have seen in his play since he has been a patriot. In fact, it is uncanny just how much he looks like a reincarn of Ellis Hobbs.

That is, probably, why he changed his number from 27 to 24, that too many people thought that Hobbs was back based on his horrible play.

If not for the numbers game last season, IMO, and thats all it is, an opinion, I don't think he would have seen the field even half as much as he did. I dont believe they anticipated the injury to Dowling, for one.

And, it is quite obvious, at least to me, that the defensive coaches must have a problem with his cover skills seeing as they yanked him off of the outside corner and moved him inside in a position that does not require one on one coverge with the best receivers on opposing teams, which, BTW, eat Arrington up and spit him out.

Thats just for openers.

 

[ausbacker]

And, why is that a stupid claim. It is my opinion based on what I have seen in his play since he has been a patriot. In fact, it is uncanny just how much he looks like a reincarn of Ellis Hobbs.

That is, probably, why he changed his number from 27 to 24, that too many people thought that Hobbs was back based on his horrible play.

If not for the numbers game last season, IMO, and thats all it is, an opinion, I don't think he would have seen the field even half as much as he did. I dont believe they anticipated the injury to Dowling, for one.

And, it is quite obvious, at least to me, that the defensive coaches must have a problem with his cover skills seeing as they yanked him off of the outside corner and moved him inside in a position that does not require one on one coverge with the best receivers on opposing teams, which, BTW, eat Arrington up and spit him out.

Thats just for openers.

I assume you're going to post the data supporting this, namely the game, receiver defended and their statistics for the game when lined up against Arrington.

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

I assume you're going to post the data supporting this, namely the game, receiver defended and their statistics for the game when lined up against Arrington.

Dont be ridiculous. Just watching him play is evidence enough. When I can I will go back and watch videos of as many games as I can, and give you the data needed.

Anyone without any bias can see with their own eyes.

I wish I had a dime for every time I yelled at the screen, "Arrington, another one on you, you freaking stiff." And you know what, as each game moved on, there were more and more that saw it, finally, and were yelling the same thing..... and I watch the games with a lot of people.....

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Dont be ridiculous. Just watching him play is evidence enough. When I can I will go back and watch videos of as many games as I can, and give you the data needed.

Anyone without any bias can see with their own eyes.

I wish I had a dime for every time I yelled at the screen, "Arrington, another one on you, you freaking stiff." And you know what, as each game moved on, there were more and more that saw it, finally, and were yelling the same thing..... and I watch the games with a lot of people.....

He is an UDFA....Jeez not a high round draft selection.

 

[supafly]

He is an UDFA....Jeez not a high round draft selection.

Don't waste your time, Ninja.

My man is on a relentless crusade. Nothing and no one can stop him.

 

[Deus Irae]

Dont be ridiculous. Just watching him play is evidence enough. When I can I will go back and watch videos of as many games as I can, and give you the data needed.

Anyone without any bias can see with their own eyes.

I wish I had a dime for every time I yelled at the screen, "Arrington, another one on you, you freaking stiff." And you know what, as each game moved on, there were more and more that saw it, finally, and were yelling the same thing..... and I watch the games with a lot of people.....

Well, now that we've established your troll bona fides, you have a good night. I'll be putting you on ignore, so I won't be answering you for the remainder of your time here before you get banned or the draft gets here and I clear my list, whichever comes first. There's only so much ridiculousness that I'm going to put up with this offseason.

 

[supafly]

Don't waste your time, Ninja.

My man is on a relentless crusade. Nothing and no one can stop him.

Check that....never underestimate the power of Deus!!

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Don't waste your time, Ninja.

My man is on a relentless crusade. Nothing and no one can stop him.

That is not entirely accurate. Crusade? Possibly yes. Why? because as a Pats fan I believe that Arrington's presence on the field is a detriment to the overall success of the defense, and the team as a whole.

Should I be chastized for that? Absolutely not. In fact, the majority of my negative comments about Arrington have been in direct response to other posts where his name was mentioned.

Chould I be criticized for having an opinion, albeit a different one from, allegedly the majority, but still a personal opinion?

Why is it, because I am a new poster and not a member of the clique, or the group, or whatever you want to call them.

Being a long time poster makes them no better, or worse, than me. We are all fans, with different opinions, but none the less, we root for the same team and wish for the same outcome.

So what if opinions are different. Without them there would be no need for this forum, or any others.

Now, give me a few moments and I will see if there is another player that I can be critical of. Oh wait, I have been beaten to that by many other posters in this forum, from what I have read now and then.

So, why is my criticism any different? Oh yeah, I forgot, I am new. I havent paid my dues.

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

Check that....never underestimate the power of Deus!!

Well, maybe I am one better? Who is to say yes, or no?

 

[Ring 6]

That is not entirely accurate. Crusade? Possibly yes. Why? because as a Pats fan I believe that Arrington's presence on the field is a detriment to the overall success of the defense, and the team as a whole.

Should I be chastized for that? Absolutely not. In fact, the majority of my negative comments about Arrington have been in direct response to other posts where his name was mentioned.

Chould I be criticized for having an opinion, albeit a different one from, allegedly the majority, but still a personal opinion?

Why is it, because I am a new poster and not a member of the clique, or the group, or whatever you want to call them.

Being a long time poster makes them no better, or worse, than me. We are all fans, with different opinions, but none the less, we root for the same team and wish for the same outcome.

So what if opinions are different. Without them there would be no need for this forum, or any others.

Now, give me a few moments and I will see if there is another player that I can be critical of. Oh wait, I have been beaten to that by many other posters in this forum, from what I have read now and then.

So, why is my criticism any different? Oh yeah, I forgot, I am new. I havent paid my dues.

It has nothing to do with your post count. It has everything to do with your analysis being awful, and your comments not being accurate.

 

[Sicilian]

I don't have enough energy to actually read this entire thread, but directed to Mystery, you know who really disagrees with your assessment of Arrington? Bill Belichick, which is why he was tied for the highest number of defensive snaps played for the Patriots (alongside Vince Wilfork), and played EVERY SNAP IN THE SUPER BOWL. Belichick isn't stubborn enough to play his "worst" cornerback in the biggest game of the year on every snap.

Defensive snaps - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

It has nothing to do with your post count. It has everything to do with your analysis being awful, and your comments not being accurate.

What makes your alleged analysis any better than mine? Neither one of us actually knows what goes on inside Belichick's head, or why a certain player may be on the team, or not.

IMO, which I have every right to use, I believe Arrington is a very weak defensive back. And, contrary to what people think, he hurts the team far more than he helps it.

Sure, every now and then he is in the right place, at the right time, like five of his seven interceptions last season when he was out there in no mans land while the ball was bouncing off of the receivers hands right into Arrington's hands. And, as I said, once, even, when he was laying flat on the ground.

People only see the exciting run after the INT, for example, and are bamboozled into believing that it was a great play, when in reality it was, for the most part, luck.

But you see, in the stats at the end of each game, it is listed as an INT and it doesnt detail the circumstances behind it.

As I said, if I can find them, I plan on going thru on line videos of every game, picking out the time of each game and what happened in regards to Arrington.

BTW, I had noticed many plays where Arrington was not involved, when he was one on one at the outside corner position and he had been beaten badly, but fortunately for him, the play went in another direction.

Do I go a little overboard with my criticism of him? Probably yes, but it really pains me to see his ineptness game after game after game.

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

I don't have enough energy to actually read this entire thread, but directed to Mystery, you know who really disagrees with your assessment of Arrington? Bill Belichick, which is why he was tied for the highest number of defensive snaps played for the Patriots (alongside Vince Wilfork), and played EVERY SNAP IN THE SUPER BOWL. Belichick isn't stubborn enough to play his "worst" cornerback in the biggest game of the year on every snap.

Defensive snaps - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

It was a numbers situation. There was no one else as the DB corps was depleted.

Belichick is human. He makes mistakes, too.

However, the smart thing that Belichick did with Arrington was take him off the outside corner and moved him into the nickle where his weak play and mistakes could not hurt as much.

Hobbs, for example, traveled the same path until the truth on him came forth. Arrington is a Hobbs clone.

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

It has nothing to do with your post count. It has everything to do with your analysis being awful, and your comments not being accurate.

Is my analysis awful, in your mind, because it is the opposite of your analysis? Or could it be that your analysis is awful because it is the opposite of mine? Works both ways, doesn't it?

Does the fact that you have been here, in this forum, for ages, make your analysis any better than mine? You are far from being infallible, as am I.

Is it possible that being upstaged by a newbie ruffles your feathers a bit?

Andy, fact is, both of us have "unqualified" opinions on this particular player. I am sure that come September we will know which opinion is closer to fact.

 

[Sicilian]

It was a numbers situation. There was no one else as the DB corps was depleted.

Belichick is human. He makes mistakes, too.

However, the smart thing that Belichick did with Arrington was take him off the outside corner and moved him into the nickle where his weak play and mistakes could not hurt as much.

Hobbs, for example, traveled the same path until the truth on him came forth. Arrington is a Hobbs clone.

You do realize "Nickel" refers to the fifth defensive back on the field, not a position. Thus as he played 76 out of 76 snaps, he's not the "Nickel" corner.

If you're referring to the corner who is covering the slot receiver, just ask anyone covering Wes Welker how much putting a weak player there "could not hurt as much."

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

You do realize "Nickel" refers to the fifth defensive back on the field, not a position. Thus as he played 76 out of 76 snaps, he's not the "Nickel" corner.

If you're referring to the corner who is covering the slot receiver, just ask anyone covering Wes Welker how much putting a weak player there "could not hurt as much."

Yes, I am fully aware that the term nickel refers to the 5th DB on the field, who BTW, for the most part is covering the slot, or inside, receivers as the game announcers usually point out. And of course I know what "dime" means too.

The first four DBs usually are the two outside corners and the safeties. When the nickel comes in, he is customarily inside. Now, you knew that, didnt you?

 

[Sciz]

To quote the great Steve Prefontaine, "Just because you are one man and they are many, doesn't mean they are right."

In this case, however, it very much does.

 

[Sicilian]

Yes, I am fully aware that the term nickel refers to the 5th DB on the field, who BTW, for the most part is covering the slot, or inside, receivers as the game announcers usually point out. And of course I know what "dime" means too.

The first four DBs usually are the two outside corners and the safeties. When the nickel comes in, he is customarily inside. Now, you knew that, didnt you?

"For the most part" is a pretty broad term. In today's NFL, the importance of covering the slot is far greater than it used to be. Like I said (and you so wonderfully ignored), how smart would it be to cover Welker with your third best corner? Not smart at all, I would say. And the way Cruz was playing coming into that game, lining up against him isn't going to cover up anyone's "weaknesses".

 

[Mystery Pats Fan]

To quote the great Steve Prefontaine, "Just because you are one man and they are many, doesn't mean they are right."

In this case, however, it very much does.

Where's the proof. We shall have an answer, IMO, in September. Then you may feel differently, but I wouldnt want to embarrass you.