Cool Link I'm currently arguing Spygate w/Kurt Warner on Twitter

[PatsWickedPissah]

Having just engaged in a debate about this topic on a national forum, I was surprised how many people still believe that the Patriots taped the Rams walk through and even more surprised at how many believe that what the Patriots did was more than just taped from the wrong place. A large majority believe that the Patriots taped signals and used them in the same game. It's way, way more than 100 people. It's more like hundreds of thousands of people.

It's sad really, how the media has poisoned the world about the whole thing.

BTW, I never once used "Spygate" or "cheat" because I think both of these terms, manufactured by the media, do not accurately describe what happened and only serve to slander the Patriots.

Did the same & had the same experience
It IS easy to be clown the detractors but they don't let facts stop them
They hate it when ou bring up the Broncos salary cap violations with Elway and their SB connection

 

[ScottieC]

@kurt13warner says:
@Garylendsmoney A continuation of mistake... Guys that have gone 2 prison? Failed multiple drug test? Taped practices? All got 2nd chance!

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner At some point you're going to have to admit that the Pats never taped practices. Someone did spy on NE's SB practice, though.

@kurt13warner says:
@Dan_DeWitt really, that is why they destroyed the tapes w/o letting anyone watch them???

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner 1) Here's John Tomase's apology letter admitting that no such tape existed. The Noise Boston > John Tomase's Apology

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner 2) We know what was on the tapes, because Jay Glazer leaked one. Tapes went sideline, scoreboard for down and distance, field.

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner 3) Here's an article detailing how someone was spying on the Pats' practice before the SB: Who was spying on the Patriots? | Cold Hard Football Facts

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner You seem like a nice guy, but if I know all of this just as a fan, it's inexcusable that you and so many other media don't.


Let's see where this goes.

Look, Bill and the Patriots were penalized for the sins of many organizations, if not all - We were made the example.

If anyone, including Warner want to believe that this was uniquely a Patriot/Belichick practice, than those people are delusional.

 

[upstater1]

Nice job. As a fan of an opposing team I'd love to bust the Pats' balls for the video stuff, but I simply can't. Working to gain a competitive advantage and gamesmanship is as old as competition itself. I'm just grumpy my team didn't think of it first.

They probably did. Half the teams were doing it. Greg Williams and Wade Phillips yes, but probably not Mularkey.

 

[upstater1]

The way to engage in conversations like this is to put people on the spot: "You don't even know what Spygate is about." Then let them spew their misconceptions one by one.

 

[resdubwhite]

There's so much wrong with your two posts that it would take a catechism to explain it. Suffice to say, forgiveness is not an issue here, and judgmental does not apply the way you seem to think it does.

Then why get caught up in the semantics of it all.

 

[Deus Irae]

THen why get caught up in the semantics of it all.

Because you were being a douche about Warner's religion without even knowing what the hell you were talking about.

 

[Bostonian1962]

@kurt13warner says:
@Garylendsmoney A continuation of mistake... Guys that have gone 2 prison? Failed multiple drug test? Taped practices? All got 2nd chance!

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner At some point you're going to have to admit that the Pats never taped practices. Someone did spy on NE's SB practice, though.

@kurt13warner says:
@Dan_DeWitt really, that is why they destroyed the tapes w/o letting anyone watch them???

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner 1) Here's John Tomase's apology letter admitting that no such tape existed. The Noise Boston > John Tomase's Apology

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner 2) We know what was on the tapes, because Jay Glazer leaked one. Tapes went sideline, scoreboard for down and distance, field.

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner 3) Here's an article detailing how someone was spying on the Pats' practice before the SB: Who was spying on the Patriots? | Cold Hard Football Facts

@Dan_DeWitt says:
@kurt13warner You seem like a nice guy, but if I know all of this just as a fan, it's inexcusable that you and so many other media don't.


Let's see where this goes.

Great stuff, and let's hope he appreciates you being polite. Well done!

 

[DaBruinz]

Nice job. As a fan of an opposing team I'd love to bust the Pats' balls for the video stuff, but I simply can't. Working to gain a competitive advantage and gamesmanship is as old as competition itself. I'm just grumpy my team didn't think of it first.

No.. Your team just had a bounty pool run by your Gregg Williams when he was your head coach..

 

[DaBruinz]

What's wrong with thinking it's cute to e-knight for a football team over something that happened 5 years ago?

Is there another word that describes such childish idealism?

If you don't care then why the hell are you responding in the thread?

As for it being childish idealism, that is YOUR opinion, not fact.

 

[tobias funke]

As for it being childish idealism, that is YOUR opinion, not fact.

And......?

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Having just engaged in a debate about this topic on a national forum, I was surprised how many people still believe that the Patriots taped the Rams walk through and even more surprised at how many believe that what the Patriots did was more than just taped from the wrong place. A large majority believe that the Patriots taped signals and used them in the same game. It's way, way more than 100 people. It's more like hundreds of thousands of people.

It's sad really, how the media has poisoned the world about the whole thing.

BTW, I never once used "Spygate" or "cheat" because I think both of these terms, manufactured by the media, do not accurately describe what happened and only serve to slander the Patriots.

you can't fix stupid.

 

[resdubwhite]

Because you were being a douche about Warner's religion without even knowing what the hell you were talking about.

NO.

I was pointing out his hypcrisy.
He was and has several times over the years shown those two traits by the bucket load.

But. I forgive him. And you too.

 

[Deus Irae]

NO.

I was pointing out his hypcrisy.
He was and has several times over the years shown those two traits by the bucket load.

But. I forgive him. And you too.

Or.

"Kurt, you're a christian right.

Doesn't it say somewhere in that big book of yours that you have to forgive?".

OR something like that.

Care to try again?

 

[resdubwhite]

Care to try again?

I'm turning the other cheek.

See, its sooooo easy.


actually. I take it back.

Hes a stand up guy.

Everything I said. WAS WRONG.


There.

 

[BrickPat]

Haven't read every reply so this may have already been said...

Warner is bitter because in his mind the one SB win does not put him in the lofty status of multi Lombardi winning QBs. This realization soured even further in retirement during his Dancing with the Stars schtick.

KW has nothing else to make him relevant...it's his last link to what "could have been".

Kurt...you lost...get over it.

Count your millions and move on with your life.

 

[Zeus]

Several weeks ago, Peter King wrote the following:

I believe that by any measure this bounty scandal is more serious and worse for football than Spygate, which involved surreptitious taping of opponents' defensive signals, and using those tapings to gain an unfair edge in figuring out what plays the opponents would call.​

I wrote to King saying his reporting (like that of so many others) was sloppy and inaccurate. Never mind that this is a wholly inaccurate description of what the Patriots were punished for. There is also no evidence whatsoever that the Patriots used the tapes in the manner described by King. And Commissioner Blockhead himself said NE did not use the tapes during the course of any game. This was supported by Goodell's close personal friend, Matt Walsh, who said he had the tapes in his possession until the end of any game he taped. (As expected, no response from King.)

This is the fiction that has been established and nurtured by the press - that the Patriots used to tapes to secure complete knowledge of every defensive play call they faced between 2000 and 2007.

It really doesn't require a lot of thought to understand that this is a physical impossibility. And even if the Patriots tried to use the tapes against the very few teams they played a second time during a season (again, something neither proven nor even alleged), we've conveniently ignored the opportunity opponents had to change or disguise their signals, an obvious necessity since it was common knowledge that the Patriots were taping the signals in the first place.

That this sort of rudimentary analytical thought is beyond the apparently meager reasoning ability of Kurt Warner, **** LeBeau, Ryan Clark, James Harrison and others is a sad commentary on the collective intellect of the National Football League. Or, just maybe, it is a bunch of losers looking for an excuse, seeing only what they hope to see.

But that's the world we live in. If you repeat something often enough, pretty soon, people will come to regard it as the truth.

 

[Uncle Rico]

...

But that's the world we live in. If you repeat something often enough, pretty soon, people will come to regard it as the truth.

Just the way it is sometimes. Hey, how many people still think Danny Ainge bit Tree Rollins?

 

[Zeus]

Just the way it is sometimes. Hey, how many people still think Danny Ainge bit Tree Rollins?

Possibly everyone but Ainge, Rollins, you and me ...

 

[Frezo]

Kurt has always seemed like a pretty nice and down to earth guy to me. What he's doing isn't uncommon. People often devise a defense mechanism to surround life's failings or shortcomings to protect their ego/psyche. In this instance Spygate fits the bill perfectly. It's also not unusual. A lot of players from various teams like the Steelers and Colts feel the same way along with a ton of fans, media people and even a few coaches. It's admirable to perch oneself atop the Pats soapbox and defend the team, but it's a monumental undertaking that likely gives more satisfaction to the detractors than to us fans. Still, anyone that wants to fight the good fight is A OK in my book. I've pretty much washed my hands of it and moved on.

 

[captain insano]

Kurt has always seemed like a pretty nice and down to earth guy to me. What he's doing isn't uncommon. People often devise a defense mechanism to surround life's failings or shortcomings to protect their ego/psyche. In this instance Spygate fits the bill perfectly. It's also not unusual. A lot of players from various teams like the Steelers and Colts feel the same way along with a ton of fans, media people and even a few coaches. It's admirable to perch oneself atop the Pats soapbox and defend the team, but it's a monumental undertaking that likely gives more satisfaction to the detractors than to us fans. Still, anyone that wants to fight the good fight is A OK in my book. I've pretty much washed my hands of it and moved on.

i wish i could wash my hands of it. but every time i hear somebody talk about it they always get the facts wrong. and it just keeps getting worse with every passing year and it pisses me off to no end. i can live with the facts but not the lies.