Bedard: How the Redskins Beat the Giants TWICE this Season

[Dagg]

The Patriots haven't been about the run game since 2006. Don't expect it to be about the run game on Sunday, either.

Exactly my point, I believe the quote goes:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

run to win its just that easy.

 

[Deus Irae]

How many Super Bowls rings has that produced?

But, hey, let's build a statue to Mike Martz.

It produced 18-1 in 2007.

It produced 11-5 without Brady in 2008

It's produced playoffs ever since, despite a declining defense.

It's produced a Super Bowl appearance with what's probably the worst defense in BB's tenure.


Let's use our heads, instead of pretending the league is the same now as it was in 2004. The only running team that's won the Super Bowl since 2005 is that 2007 Giants team, and they won by passing the football late in the game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Exactly my point, I believe the quote goes:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

run to win its just that easy.

If it was that easy, the Giants would be home and another team would be facing the Patriots.

 

[shmessy]

It produced 18-1 in 2007.

It produced 11-5 without Brady in 2008

It's produced playoffs ever since, despite a declining defense.

It's produced a Super Bowl appearance with what's probably the worst defense in BB's tenure.


Let's use our heads, instead of pretending the league is the same now as it was in 2004. The only running team that's won the Super Bowl since 2005 is that 2007 Giants team, and they won by passing the football late in the game.

If we were discussing how to get into the playoffs, then fine.

The game strategy we're discussing is for a Super Bowl.

 

[Kid~Brady]

I wished he talked about the Giants 27th ranked defense and how the Patriots can exploit it, especially the secondary. Obviously we all know the DL is very good at pass rushing. Are they also good vs the run? Why did they give up so many yards/points this year? Was it all b/c of injuries???

Not too good at stopping the run. They've been average all season.

See Saints vs. Giants

 

[shmessy]

Not too good at stopping the run. They've been average all season.

See Saints vs. Giants

Exactly.

That DL is a monster pass rush DL.

But on the ground, Our OL can kick sand in their face all day long.

Add to that the advantage of keeping Manning (and our secondary) off the field as much as possible.

The answer is right in front of us. Some folks, however, have tunnel vision.

 

[Deus Irae]

If we were discussing how to get into the playoffs, then fine.

The game strategy we're discussing is for a Super Bowl.

Yes and, again, since 2005, only one running team has won the Super Bowl.


BTW, the 49ers tried running the ball down the throats of the Giants. They're at home for the Super Bowl.

 

[hlywoodjp]

Lets look at the last five Super Bowl winners in this modern era of rule emphasis/passing football and examine their dominating rushing statistics:

SB 45--GB=50 yards rushing
SB 44--NO=51 yards rushing
SB 43--Pit=58 yards rushing!!!
SB 42--NYG=91 yards rushing
SB 41--IND=191 yards rushing(one of the strangest things ever, but that was a bad weather game)

Super Bowls have turned into 4th quarter throwing clinics. I will be surprised if this game doesn't follow a similar script.

 

[shmessy]

BTW, the 49ers tried running the ball down the throats of the Giants. They're at home for the Super Bowl.

Yeah, Deus, their running game lost it for them.

Brilliant.

 

[shmessy]

Lets look at the last five Super Bowl winners in this modern era of rule emphasis/passing football and examine their dominating rushing statistics:

SB 45--GB=50 yards rushing
SB 44--NO=51 yards rushing
SB 43--Pit=58 yards rushing!!!
SB 42--NYG=91 yards rushing
SB 41--IND=191 yards rushing(one of the strangest things ever, but that was a bad weather game)

Super Bowls have turned into 4th quarter throwing clinics. I will be surprised if this game doesn't follow a similar script.

How about we talk about THIS matchup. Because these ARE the two teams playing Sunday.

Last two games head to head:

Pats P-R ratio: 48-16 and 49-24. Both Giant wins.

The Patriots are playing the NY Giants, not the Seahawks or Bears or Cardinals.

Look at the personnel. The game is played on the field between the actual players - - not in a history book.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

If Gronkowski is limited, the running game will be emphasized more. If we see increased ends-around with Welker, Edelman and Hernandez in addition to a steady diet of BJGE and Woodhead, it will probably be a sign that Gronk is less effective than usual.

If Gr9nk id indeed limited would it be best to use him (only) inside the red zone where he's been a beast?

I doubt B B would ever do that as if you are on the field then you're ready for a full 60, but worth a thought.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yeah, Deus, their running game lost it for them.

Brilliant.

Ahh... moving those goalposts again.


Typical

 

[shmessy]

Ahh... moving those goalposts again.


Typical

Word for word quote from Deus Irae:
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"BTW, the 49ers tried running the ball down the throats of the Giants. They're at home for the
Super Bowl."
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Facts versus words. Keep relying on your cliches.

Please, enlighten all of us about how your post SHOULD be interpreted.

 

[hlywoodjp]

How about we talk about THIS matchup. Because these ARE the two teams playing Sunday.

Last two games head to head:

Pats P-R ratio: 48-16 and 49-24. Both Giant wins.

The Patriots are playing the NY Giants, not the Seahawks or Bears or Cardinals.

Look at the personnel. The game is played on the field between the actual players - - not in a history book.

I don't understand how you can look at the offensive personnel on this team and then hope that they pound it into the defensive line 40 times. You are hoping that they take the ball out of a hall of fame players hand so that BJGE can get a ton of carries?

What is wrong with a spread offense that throws quick passes, runs in good situations and hits some play action throws?

 

[shmessy]

I don't understand how you can look at the offensive personnel on this team and then hope that they pound it into the defensive line 40 times. You are hoping that they take the ball out of a hall of fame players hand so that BJGE can get a ton of carries?

What is wrong with a spread offense that throws quick passes, runs in good situations and hits some play action throws?

hlywoodjp: "I don't understand how you can look at the offensive personnel on this team and then hope that they pound it into the defensive line 40 times."

Answer: -Because the game isn't being played by just one team. There is ANOTHER squad on the OTHER side of the line of scrimmage.

A 48-16 P-R ratio will be suicide against a DL like the Giants. Hit their WEAKNESS - - don't ignore it like the past two times.

Brady has not been a HOF'er against this defense. This ain't the Dolphins or Jaguars out there.

I'm all for mixing up the gameplan. A close to 50-50 mix P-R would work wonders and keep their D honest.


Some folks aren't considering the actual MATCHUPS here when talking generically about "hall of fame players". There is a very bitter NFL Network analyst who lost SB 36 who can tell you all about arrogantly sticking to what worked against other teams and ignoring the actual matchup in a big game.

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[makoute]

If we were discussing how to get into the playoffs, then fine.

The game strategy we're discussing is for a Super Bowl.

Considering in 2007 they ran the ball a lot against the chargers and Jacksonville.

 

[Deus Irae]

Word for word quote from Deus Irae:
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"BTW, the 49ers tried running the ball down the throats of the Giants. They're at home for the
Super Bowl."
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Facts versus words. Keep relying on your cliches.

Please, enlighten all of us about how your post SHOULD be interpreted.

Nothing cliche at all. Are we really going to have to play this nonsense? Are you so desperate to score a point that you're going here?

You from earlier:

Exactly.

That DL is a monster pass rush DL.

But on the ground, Our OL can kick sand in their face all day long.

Add to that the advantage of keeping Manning (and our secondary) off the field as much as possible.

The answer is right in front of us. Some folks, however, have tunnel vision.

So, "the answer" failed when being used by a better running team, the 49ers. That being the case, instead of just noting and admitting that, you tried switching it to

Yeah, Deus, their running game lost it for them.

No, Smessy, the running game didn't win it for them, which is not the same as the running game losing it for them. "The answer" was not the answer. That's just the way it is.

I'm all for picking and choosing good spots to run. I've posted about using a big lineup and pounding the ball against both the Ravens and the Giants, as you probably already know. However, there's a difference between timely running and changing the style of the offense. The Patriots put up 20 points in the second half of the regular season game, and 17 of them were in the 4th quarter. The team needs to focus on avoiding turnovers, in all phases of the game. It doesn't need to scrap what got them to the Super Bowl.

 

[shmessy]

So, "the answer" failed when being used by a better running team, the 49ers. That being the case, instead of just noting and admitting that, you tried switching it to



.

Sure, because when you have ALEX SMITH as your QB, opposing DL's really have to worry about the passing game and not put 8 in the box.

Dear Lord, when are you going to realize this game is the PATRIOTS against the GIANTS?

Here ya go, Deus: If the Giants put 8 in the box all game long, I hope Brady throws every play. How's that for you?

Check your TV Guide. The Super Bowl on Sunday pits the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS against the NEW YORK GIANTS.

 

[JerseyDevil26]

I saw both of those Giaints-Redskins games and that Skins D was astounding. Their pass rush was the reason they won those games. Let's hope Anderson, Deaderick, and Ninkovich can emulate that.

 

[Dagg]

Im not talking about what got us here or any other team any other year, its all about what will win us this game.

Bottom line we need to run alot more than we did in 2007 and earlier in the year. Im not saying run it every down or even run more than we pass, but the mix must be better than we have tried historically 35ish would be fine. Sure we can get cute like we did in 2007 and still win the game but Id rather take it to there D line and pound them to slow the pash rush, improve play action chances and keep our d rested. Its pretty easy really. Bill does what it takes to win a game like when he threw every down in that vikings game a few years back, you do what you got to do to win the game against the tema in front of you. In this case its running more. Thanks and enjoy the super bowl and hope the staff isnt as arrogant as it was in 2007(yeah im looking at you josh mcd).