OT: The Manning Era Over?

[Deus Irae]

Manning is going to be 36 years old in March and is coming off of multiple neck surgeries.

If I were the Colts owner, I'd definitely be drafting a QB with the #1 pick.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Cannot trade him before the bonus is due. No trades allowed in the NFL past the trading deadline which was in October. Trades can't happen again before the start of the new league year on March 13. If they don't pick up the bonus he is a UFA on March 8th. You can't trade a player who isn't under contract to you any longer.

But the bonus is before the trade deadline, so they would have to pay it and eat it, it doesnt transfer with trade.

Thanks for the correction; I forgot that the bonus was due at the end of this season rather than the start of next season.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Uner this scenario, Manning forfeits leverage. All of the IFs you add in are extremely uncertain.
Pushing back the bonus to find out there is no trade market for his contract and health would end up costing him dearly.

No, not if there were language guaranteeing him the bonus were he to defer the date and then there was NO acceptable trade to a team Peyton had specified.

 

[DaBruinz]

Mo - By your own admission, the date that the payment is made can be moved if Manning agrees to it. Thereby, Manning can agree to move it so that it's not paid until after a trade is consummated, but before Free Agency. It's doubtful that Manning would see that sort of money otherwise. Especially considering his health issues..

 

[ctpatsfan77]

No, not if there were language guaranteeing him the bonus were he to defer the date and then there was NO acceptable trade to a team Peyton had specified.

The problem with that is that the Colts would be hurting themselves: you can only renegotiate a contract once in a twelve-month period. So if they renegotiate with Manning to move that bonus to, say, May 1, whichever team that trades for him would be stuck paying that bonus, and would have no way around it. That would drastically lower the picks they'd get in return.

Mo - By your own admission, the date that the payment is made can be moved if Manning agrees to it. Thereby, Manning can agree to move it so that it's not paid until after a trade is consummated, but before Free Agency. It's doubtful that Manning would see that sort of money otherwise. Especially considering his health issues..

Not sure what you mean there; he can't be traded before FA starts.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

The problem with that is that the Colts would be hurting themselves: you can only renegotiate a contract once in a twelve-month period. So if they renegotiate with Manning to move that bonus to, say, May 1, whichever team that trades for him would be stuck paying that bonus, and would have no way around it. That would drastically lower the picks they'd get in return.



Not sure what you mean there; he can't be traded before FA starts.

Move the bonus date to say 2 weeks after FA.
Manning gets traded before then to a new team who pays his new contract which includes the new team paying the bonus money (or the colts have agreed to pay some portion, whatever, infinite permutations).
OR
Manning is not traded so the Colts pay him the bonus money, trade the pick for megabucks rebuilding on the fly or draft Luck and have two QBs. The new CBA makes Luck affordable cap wise.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Manning is going to be 36 years old in March and is coming off of multiple neck surgeries.

If I were the Colts owner, I'd definitely be drafting a QB with the #1 pick.

I'm not one to be superstitious, but I don't know if I'd want to test karma passing up a QB that everyone is saying is a "can't miss" with the #1 pick named Luck.

 

[Ring 6]

I think Manning's trade value for the Colts will actually improve if he plays with the Colts next year. He is still an unknown in regards to health. I can't see any team taking a chance with that salary and trading away draft picks not knowing how well he will hold up. Of course that means Irsay will have to pay him this year.....

With his contract and health issue, he has no trade value right now. It can only get better.

 

[Ring 6]

Move the bonus date to say 2 weeks after FA.
Manning gets traded before then to a new team who pays his new contract which includes the new team paying the bonus money (or the colts have agreed to pay some portion, whatever, infinite permutations).

What if they can't work out a trade to a team Manning wants to go to? It not a lock that teams would give up much of anything to take on that contract and health issue.

OR
Manning is not traded so the Colts pay him the bonus money, trade the pick for megabucks rebuilding on the fly or draft Luck and have two QBs. The new CBA makes Luck affordable cap wise.

Again, as you illustrate, if Manning allows them to forestall the bonus he has no control of which of these scenarios play out, promises or not.

 

[Ring 6]

Mo - By your own admission, the date that the payment is made can be moved if Manning agrees to it. Thereby, Manning can agree to move it so that it's not paid until after a trade is consummated, but before Free Agency. It's doubtful that Manning would see that sort of money otherwise. Especially considering his health issues..

What is the benefit to Manning to being traded rather than released?

 

[Ring 6]

No, not if there were language guaranteeing him the bonus were he to defer the date and then there was NO acceptable trade to a team Peyton had specified.

You cant just create language. You cannot guarantee the bonus today and then say it doesnt count until May.
Besides, whats the difference between that and just picking it up?
The whole point is that they don't want to pick it up. Why would Manning agree to this anyone.
Choice 1: Pay me or cut me
Choice 2: Trade me or pay me

Additionally, if the Colts intention is to trade him why would they pay him $28,000,000 if they can't?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Move the bonus date to say 2 weeks after FA.
Manning gets traded before then to a new team who pays his new contract which includes the new team paying the bonus money (or the colts have agreed to pay some portion, whatever, infinite permutations).
OR
Manning is not traded so the Colts pay him the bonus money, trade the pick for megabucks rebuilding on the fly or draft Luck and have two QBs. The new CBA makes Luck affordable cap wise.

Teams aren't going to pay $35M (option bonus plus 2012 salary) to Manning plus trade draft picks and two weeks into FA at least one job he wants could be gone to Flynn, who will be a FA unless GB tags him which is unlikely because they need that tag for their TE.

There is just no logical reason for Manning to defer the option unless he isn't sure he can still play at all. And even then, to protect himself the deal would have to be play me if I am come whenever (full skill and injury guarantee) or I will retire, but under those terms your cap is screwed anyway since I'm retiring due to injury and my option bonus was fully guaranteed against that as a term of deferring the date a couple of weeks...

Only Lombardi has mentioned this but his earlier reports on Manning's deal indicated that the option was already guaranteed with a non exercise clause that said if they failed to exercise it by March 8 his 2012 salary became $28M and was fully guaranteed. I believe that is the case since the Colts already prorated one fifth of the option into 2011 (lowering his dead cap if cut from $16M to $10M+ confirmed by PKing and others recently), and you can't do that unless it is guaranteed.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Mo - By your own admission, the date that the payment is made can be moved if Manning agrees to it. Thereby, Manning can agree to move it so that it's not paid until after a trade is consummated, but before Free Agency. It's doubtful that Manning would see that sort of money otherwise. Especially considering his health issues..

Nope. Try again... He can't be traded until the new league year and FA commences...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Irsay, Manning claim that there have been no talks about delaying bonus payment | ProFootballTalk

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

What if they can't work out a trade to a team Manning wants to go to? It not a lock that teams would give up much of anything to take on that contract and health issue.

post #66 that you are responding to gave one answer to that question

OR...

 

[Ring 6]

post #66 that you are responding to gave one answer to that question

OR...

I understand the consequence of him being untradable. I do not understand why, given those circumstances, he would have any interest in forestalling his bonus.

Other than a situation where, due only to health, the Colts were going to not pick up the option, and the extension was so they could reconsider if he proves he is healthy, there is no way that forestalling the bonus makes sense for Manning to do.
There are many reasons the Colts would want to do that because the move is 100% in their favor. What do you propose Manning accomplishes by agreeing to let them not pay him and also not get free agency?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

What do you propose Manning accomplishes by agreeing to let them not pay him and also not get free agency?

I have no idea. That was not what I was posting about.

 

[Ring 6]

I have no idea. That was not what I was posting about.

Apparently I misunderstood. I thought you were posting that it was likely the bonus date could be extended and a trade be possible.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Archie Manning tells YSR's @CNotesbyCraig he isn't sure if Peyton will B able 2 play in @NFL next season & "we'll just have 2 wait & see."

https://twitter.com/#!/YSportsRadio/status/156464802976378880

 

[Tebow Trolling]

The mannings suck. Tebow is way better.