Nope, Tim Tebow can't play in the NFL

[Deus Irae]

I'm not sure how 22nd out of 30 something could be good, especially if it's QB rating and the rating is in the 70s -- better than expected isn't good.

First, where did I say his QB rating was good? Second, Tebow's play is, obviously, not really designed to be measured by QB rating. Third, he's started half a season in his career, and he's at #22, with a 78.4 rating. That's not bad. Manning's QB rating for his rookie season was 71.2. Sanchez put up a 63 as a rookie. Freeman was 59.8 through his first 10 games.

What other bigotry are you referring to, then? Unorthodox QBs? (not being a wiseass, I'm really not sure what you're saying)

Yes

 

[lamafist]

Denver's defense and special teams gave the offense the ball in Jets territory five times, and chipped in 7 points on their own.

The Broncos' went 3 and out on 8 of 12 possessions. Before the final drive, the Broncos had turned the great field position the defense handed them into a total of 3 points.

Tebow is less responsible for the Broncos winning than he is for the fact that they were behind in the 4th quarter to begin with.

 

[celticboy04]

How many Tebow's were there?

He may fail, he may succeed. I don't know or really care but I don't get the need to totally rip the kid.

Look how long this thread is.

Besides, he doesn't need to be Brady or Manning.

Greetings,
Exactly, to me he along with Mark Sanchez are the two most analyzed QB's in the NFL. I understand why people would talk about him a lot, he was a huge part of Florida winning the National Championship and won a Heisman Trophy. With that being said, I am not bothered at all by how great he plays or doesn't. It's just people spend too much time talking about the guy.

Celticboy04

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Let's just say you aren't exactly Mensa material....if that helps frame it better.

Oh the irony of that sentence and the one who wrote it.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

First, where did I say his QB rating was good? Second, Tebow's play is, obviously, not really designed to be measured by QB rating. Third, he's started half a season in his career, and he's at #22, with a 78.4 rating. That's not bad. Manning's QB rating for his rookie season was 71.2. Sanchez put up a 63 as a rookie. Freeman was 59.8 through his first 10 games.

Elway's QB rating as a rookie was 54.9.

Only in his 4th year did he get above 78.4

John Elway NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Before we put him in Canton, lets watch him win a few games against "real" teams. You know, teams that might actually defend the run in the final minute against a QB that can't complete a forward pass.

That is part of the problem -- they don't exist.

Keep the opposing teams defense on the field most of the game against a run heavy offense particularly in the thin air of Mile High and you have a defense that is too tired to stop the run against a pee wee team.

 

[Jangles]

First, where did I say his QB rating was good? Second, Tebow's play is, obviously, not really designed to be measured by QB rating. Third, he's started half a season in his career, and he's at #22, with a 78.4 rating. That's not bad. Manning's QB rating for his rookie season was 71.2. Sanchez put up a 63 as a rookie. Freeman was 59.8 through his first 10 games.

I'll bet if Manning, Sanchez, and Elway's throwing ability was relied on as much as Tebow's they would have much better passer ratings. If the Denver defense didn't show up, and Tebow actually had to play QB, I'd be amazed if he completed more than 20% of this throws and threw less than 5 interceptions. 5 might be too high though. I'm not sure he can get a ball close enough to a receiver for it to be intercepted 5 times.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'll bet if Manning, Sanchez, and Elway's throwing ability was relied on as much as Tebow's they would have much better passer ratings. If the Denver defense didn't show up, and Tebow actually had to play QB, I'd be amazed if he completed more than 20% of this throws and threw less than 5 interceptions. 5 might be too high though. I'm not sure he can get a ball close enough to a receiver for it to be intercepted 5 times.

The Raiders wish you were right. Hell, even in the Lions game, his numbers are better than you seem to expect on an every game basis.


Seriously, did Tebow beat you out for a scholarship or something?

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Oh the irony of that sentence and the one who wrote it.

Translation

Ya mean someone else figured that out?

 

[Jangles]

The Raiders wish you were right. Hell, even in the Lions game, his numbers are better than you seem to expect on an every game basis.

Seriously, did Tebow beat you out for a scholarship or something?

No, he just makes games less enjoyable for me. I've always argued that I like the NFL over college because the athletes and skill level are just better. Tebow doesn't support that argument. He's very bad at playing QB. I don't see Tebow any differently than a new version of the wildcat.

I was very happy he beat the Jets, and I'm happy he's enjoying some success. Listening to his post game interviews, I felt bad for him. I wasn't sure if the announcers were trying to take jabs at him or what, but it made me uncomfortable to watch. I guess I just want Tebowmania to die. Good for him for winning, but he looks pretty awful doing it. He doesn't deserve the coverage he's been getting, and all the negativity towards him is probably based in part because people are sick of Tebow.

 

[Deus Irae]

No, he just makes games less enjoyable for me. I've always argued that I like the NFL over college because the athletes and skill level are just better. Tebow doesn't support that argument. He's very bad at playing QB. I don't see Tebow any differently than a new version of the wildcat.

Then you're not following the game.

I was very happy he beat the Jets, and I'm happy he's enjoying some success. Listening to his post game interviews, I felt bad for him. I wasn't sure if the announcers were trying to take jabs at him or what, but it made me uncomfortable to watch. I guess I just want Tebowmania to die. Good for him for winning, but he looks pretty awful doing it. He doesn't deserve the coverage he's been getting, and all the negativity towards him is probably based in part because people are sick of Tebow.

A QB who was hammered before the draft doesn't deserve coverage when he wins a Thursday night game, has a winning record in his first 8 starts and has a team that was being looked at as a "suck for Luck" contender vying for the division lead?

Nonsense.

 

[Jangles]

A QB who was hammered before the draft doesn't deserve coverage when he wins a Thursday night game, has a winning record in his first 8 starts and has a team that was being looked at as a "suck for Luck" contender vying for the division lead?

Nonsense.

He was hammered because he wasn't a typical quarterback and people thought he wouldn't succeed. He's winning, but he hasn't proven a single person wrong when it comes to his throwing ability or his mechanics.

 

[chicowalker]

First, where did I say his QB rating was good? Second, Tebow's play is, obviously, not really designed to be measured by QB rating. Third, he's started half a season in his career, and he's at #22, with a 78.4 rating. That's not bad. Manning's QB rating for his rookie season was 71.2. Sanchez put up a 63 as a rookie. Freeman was 59.8 through his first 10 games.

Yes

I was referring to you saying that 22nd can be good or bad. Acknowledged re QB rating, but it's at least one objective measure -- we can look at others, most of which (though not INTs -- which is important) would indicate poor QB play.

Manning, Sanchez and Freeman weren't good QBs their rookie years, imo

 

[Deus Irae]

He was hammered because he wasn't a typical quarterback and people thought he wouldn't succeed. He's winning, but he hasn't proven a single person wrong when it comes to his throwing ability or his mechanics.

Re-read your post, focusing on the bolded parts, because it's the only thing that matters right now in terms of what I'm saying. The rest is just background noise.

Again, Patriots fans should know this.

 

[Deus Irae]

I was referring to you saying that 22nd can be good or bad.

But it can be. So far this year, Tebow doesn't turn the ball over and makes plays that QB rating doesn't really deal with, and he's winning even though he's got a bad team around him and the team traded away his best receiver before the deadline. For him, #22 is fine. Would he want to see that improve moving forward? Sure, but I'm willing to bet that he'd take a 0.0 rating if he could win the Super Bowl doing it.

Now, if Brady falls to #22, all hell will break loose, because he's exactly the sort of QB that the QB rating is meant to deal with.

 

[IllegalContact]

tebow is a lousy QB.......the results will come around....wjat you are seeing is an aberration just like josh mcdaniels first 8 games in denver were.

 

[ivanvamp]

Tebow is an awful passer. It's impossible to argue otherwise at this point.

However, he might be the best QB in the game when it comes to making plays with his legs.

The problem is that teams are still playing the Broncos like a traditional offense. But they aren't a traditional offense. They're running a glorified wildcat, and it's only a matter of time before teams realize that they don't need to defend the pass against Tebow.

It's way better than a regular wildcat, for a couple of reasons:

(1) Tebow, unlike running backs, is used to making option decisions. Ronnie Brown is a great runner, but he's not used to making those calls....when to keep and when to pitch. Tebow is, for all intents and purposes, an expert in that field. That alone makes their "glorified wildcat" much better than a traditional wildcat.

(2) Tebow, though he cannot throw nearly as well as most NFL quarterbacks, still throws it much better than NFL running backs. This makes the passing threat much more legit than anyone else running a wildcat.

I am on the record that I think the Denver offense has about a 2-year shelf life before defenses stop it. During that time, I think they can certainly win their share of games. If they continue to improve their defense, which will keep them in the game, and their offense can cause problems, they'll be a pain in the butt. I think that gives Tebow about a 2-year window to really learn how to throw well - at least in the high 50% range, which, given his running ability, probably is sufficient.

If he cannot figure it out in 2 years with professional coaching, then he probably will end up as a backup or in a different position altogether.

 

[Theplayer]

Elway Tebow
Win-Loss 3-5 5-3
Comp. Pct. 47.6 46.9
Pass YPG 130.1 160.1
TD-INT 3-10 10-4
Passer rating 48.8 76.9
Rush Yds-TD 92-1 550-5


through 1st 8 games

 

[chicowalker]

But it can be. So far this year, Tebow doesn't turn the ball over and makes plays that QB rating doesn't really deal with, and he's winning even though he's got a bad team around him and the team traded away his best receiver before the deadline. For him, #22 is fine. Would he want to see that improve moving forward? Sure, but I'm willing to bet that he'd take a 0.0 rating if he could win the Super Bowl doing it.

Now, if Brady falls to #22, all hell will break loose, because he's exactly the sort of QB that the QB rating is meant to deal with.

I think you're combining a few points, separate from whether a 22 ranking is good. Objectively, a 22nd ranking and a high 70s rating are below average at best -- and I'd consider them bad.

We agree re. INTs (which is taken into account in QB rating).

We agree that QB rating isn't perfect -- as you've pointed out, it doesn't measure some of his strengths. As others have pointed out, it also may not reflect some of his weaknesses.

I think that what I initially wrote here is accurate.

btw, let me ask you, since it sort of goes to the thread title and you've been perhaps the most vocal Tebow advocate here: Do you think Tebow is going to have a successful NFL career as a QB? (Personally, I don't. I could see him having a successful career as some sort of RB/QB hybrid, though, and his competitiveness and apparent love for the game would make him the kind of guy I'd like on the Pats in that kind of role.)

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

What's with all the Tebow love? I've never seen this much ball washing of a QB we need to play in a few weeks. I'm glad he beat the Jets. I am genuinely respectful of his apparent quality as a human being and the extent to which he assists the unfortunate.

But screw him otherwise. I hate him. I hate all the other AFC QBs not named Brady, Hoyer or Mallet.

The dude wears a Broncos jersey. F him. I don't care what commentators say or don't or who was right or who was wrong. I want Tebow to fail miserably unless it is more important for the Patriots to have the Broncos win than whomever they are playing that week.