Ryan Mallett trade speculation

[The Scrizz]

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So, if you were Polian, you would give your most hated rival your potentially #10-#15 pick for a huge question mark big armed guy that no one touched until the third round. While at the same time you could get Tebow, Beck, Leinart, Brady Quinn or David Carr for less and David Garrard without even giving up a pick.

Okeeeeee........

Yeah why take a kid with upside that you can groom when you can have some has-been, never-was, or past his prime QB instead. What good does Garrard or Carr do unless they're planning on being a .500 team the next 3-4 years.

Note, I don't think there's a chance in hell of this happening, but naming those bums as a reason NOT to go after Mallet is preposterous.

 

[The Gr8est]

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I don't like seeing manning hurt, but this is the cusp of the situation. The Colts had an arrogance towards the QB position that Bob Kravitz highlighted in his column condemning the Pats for trying to get a potential QB of the future because Manning was going to not miss a game until he was 40. The Colts never even tried to get a back up who could fill in for a game or two unless the Colts have locked up everything and that QB is just playing so Manning wouldn't get hurt. Now the rooster is coming home to roost.

I think the Colts are in a desperate situation even if Manning comes back this season. They have to decide five days after the football year starts in 2012 whether to pay Manning a $28 million bonus. If they are having second thoughts, they need to know they are going to have the QB of the future on the roster before the start of the 2012 season. There is no guarantees unless they have the #1 overall pick that they will have that QB when they decide to pay or cut or trade Manning unless they trade for a QB or sign one in free agency (assuming there is one on the market).

Actually, I'm not sure that even the #1 overall pick gives them that. Doesn't Luck have another year if he chooses to? He doesn't have to come out.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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For everybody who feels Mallett wouldn't make sense for the Colts because he's not ready now and they could just draft a successor next year, consider that Manning is due a monster option bonus at the start of next season. Even assuming that he can come back from the surgery, will he be reliable enough to plunk down that $28 million bonus?

It's even worse than that for the Colts: the bonus is actually due before the 2012 FA period starts . . . so teams would know ahead of time.

 

[shmessy]

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You started a thread about the Patriots currently being in line for the first pick in the draft, and you're complaining because people are discussing a hypothetical in response to a rumor?

Are you competent tonight??????

If you didn't see the tongue in cheek of that thread, then you really need a seeing eye dog.

 

[ausbacker]

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Needing a QB is about Manning, overpaying for Mallett is about Mallett. You don't have to be too bright to get that.

Overpaying for Mallett and needing a QB are NOT mutually exclusive. Setting a succession plan does not HAVE to include Ryan Mallett. In a discussion where the rumor is about the Colts inquiring about Mallett, then it does become about Mallett and Manning.

Discussing the options about overpaying, paying market price or simply discrediting the rumour all together are all credible options.

Don't have to, I can easily conclide its the same it was on draft day.

I don't have much faith in your assessments so you'll have to forgive me for disregarding them most of the time. I don't know if it would be the same or different. I don't have access to insider Colts information.

It was a childish question.

Probably in line with your level of acceptance.

So lets hypothetically discuss trading Julian Edleman to the Colts for Reggie Wayne.

Given that has nothing to do with the rumor about Ryan Mallett you should take up this discussion elsewhere.

There are just as many legitmate rumors about those as there are about this one, and they are equally ridiculous.

All it is is a rumor. Nothing more and nothing less. The rumor is about the Colts inquiring about Ryan Mallett. The compensation required to gain Mallett's services is topical and a point of discussion, some reasonable some far fetched.

No, I am accepting every option and judging the ridiculous ones to be ridiculous.

No, you aren't.

I am IGNORANT to not recognize the difference between a 0% chance and a 1% chance?
So in other words any idea ever floated can not be disagreed with or the person who thinks it is unrealistic is ignorant?

No, your insistence on it not being an option is where your ignorance lies. I have no problem with a 1% probability of occurrence as being unlikely. Hell I posted a smiley face after suggesting a 2012 first round pick because I know that's above market rate. Personally I would have thought a 2012 2nd would be a best case scenario if the rumor is even true.

Ignorant is to have an opinion that is out of touch with reality, such as a 1% possibility.
You have a great grasp on ignorance given your posting history.

I have no problem with people questioning propositions.

Please direct me back to where you have said this is an almost impossibliity that you are arguing the merits of happening.

I've made mention countless times my opinions on the matter. If you'd bother to read before you big noted yourself at the expense of others, you would have noted that.

 

[shmessy]

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Yeah why take a kid with upside that you can groom when you can have some has-been, never-was, or past his prime QB instead. What good does Garrard or Carr do unless they're planning on being a .500 team the next 3-4 years.

Answer: They preserve Indy's option to pick between the top 5 or so QB's in the 1st round in 7 months. That's what good they do.

The Mallet option puts 100% of the gamble on a kid the entire league drooled over but was too terrified to touch for 3 rounds this year.

If that gamble didn't work for Indy, then they would be SCREWED with Belichick hoarding 3 1st rounders andtheir next chance at a "franchise QB" not available until at best the 2nd round next year.

 

[fnordcircle]

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In a world where Matt Cassell + Mike Vrabel nets you a #2, let's just say you don't get a #1 for Ryan Mallett.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Are you competent tonight?????? If you didn't see the tongue in cheek of that thread, then you really need a seeing eye dog.

I'm fine, thank you, and I obviously understand the tongue-in-cheek nature of that thread. Nonetheless, you started it.

Slow night + rumor = this thread

 

[Ring 6]

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Tebow was generally considered a horrible first round pick. Aaron Maybin was a first round pick two years ago and is now a street free agent.

How does Aaron Maybin playing himself out of a job have anything to do with this?
Other teams were reported to be ready to take Tebow shortly after Denver did.

Most people believed before the Broncos reached for him that he was not a QB at this level. He is the Broncos' third string QB and if he wasn't a first round pick, he probably would have been cut because Broncos' management have not tried to hide the fact they think he is garbage.

That is purely speculation on your part. And he is listed along with Quinn (another 1st round pick) as #2.
Mallett is #3 on the Patriots.
YOU think Tebow sucks does not overcome the fact that he was more highly regarded oin the draft and has done more.

The Broncos would trade Tebow straight up for Mallett right now.

That is total speculation and you have nothing to back that up.;

Do you think that Belichick would ever make that trade? I know Elway would in a second and probably throw in a pick too.

Tell me how you KNOW that.

You are too hung up on where people were drafted and not on what other people think of those draft picks.

I am only hiung up on where people are drafted when they have done absolutely nothing to change the established opinion of them, when discussing what draft pick you could get for them in return. What else should I be hung up on? That maybe they are the one team that thinks he is worth a 1st, even thought there is no evidence to that effect?

I am sure if both Tebow and Mallett were street free agents and the Colts could sign either one to whatever they wanted, the Colts would take Mallett over Tebow no matter what they think of Mallett.

There is absolutely no basis in fact for that opinion.

 

[Deus Irae]

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In a world where Matt Cassell + Mike Vrabel nets you a #2, let's just say you don't get a #1 for Ryan Mallett.

1.) As has been discussed many times, the Patriots could have gotten a first for Cassel.

2.) Kolb brought in a pro bowl cornerback and a 2nd round pick

3.) It's just late night talk



Some of you need to get laid.

 

[The Scrizz]

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Tebow was a first round draft choice who gained some experience last year.
Mallett was a 3rd round draft choice who hasnt taken an NFL real snap.
How is Tebow ruled out as a QB of the future but Mallett qualifies?
I understand you think Tebow sucks but he was more highly regarded when he was drafted than Mallett was.

Perhaps that will bring some persepctive to this thread.
NFL GMs felt Tebow was a more valuable draft choice than Mallett.
Anyone think the Colts are offering a 1 for Tebow?

More highly regarded by who? One NFL GM thought he was worth a 1st. That is all you know. Your speculation that anybody thinks Tebow is more valuable right now is no more valid than that the Colts like Mallet. All it takes is for one team to like him.

Every other young QB taken in this draft was taken to start pretty much right away. Mallet was the only one taken to groom and hence the only one who might be available. If the Colts are looking for a young QB to groom right now, Ipso Facto, Ryan Mallet is the most likely one they could get.

And again, I don't think it's going to happen but you're using the fact that people don't know how the Colts value Mallet as part of your argument when you don't know how they value him or any other available QB.

It's speculation, people are speculating. It's easy to be Glum "We'll never make it" because 99% of the time you'll be right because less than 1% of speculation ever happens. Congratulate yourself later when you're right that all of these poor fools spent their Saturday night having some fun.

 

[OhExaulted1]

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That's right. We already let a starting QB go for a mere 2nd who I believe made the probowl as an alternate last year throwing 27tds and 7 ints. Sure it was the 33rd pick which is almost a 1st rounder but still, if anyone knew how good Mattie was gonna be they would of easily handed over a top 15 pick.

As far as I'm concerned he is a giant piece of the franchise's future and trading Mallett should be weighed considerably regardless whether he was a 3rd round pick or not. Why not let the Colts suffer for their mistake of not grooming a QB?

Actually we gave up Mattie and Mike Vrabel for #34, which turned out to be Patrick Chung but I agree with your overall point. Why give Mallet away now? They'd never give us a 1st-were talking about the Colts for Godssake!

And dreaming about getting the 1st overall and picking Andrew Luck? Really? Did Brady have neck surgery too?

 

[shmessy]

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I'm fine, thank you, and I obviously understand the tongue-in-cheek nature of that thread. Nonetheless, you started it.

I don't believe there is anyone quite like you on this website.

 

[Joker]

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I don't believe there is anyone quite like you on this website.

you're forgetting somebody.....

 

[The Scrizz]

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Answer: They preserve Indy's option to pick between the top 5 or so QB's in the 1st round in 7 months. That's what good they do.

The Mallet option puts 100% of the gamble on a kid the entire league drooled over but was too terrified to touch for 3 rounds this year.

If that gamble didn't work for Indy, then they would be SCREWED with Belichick hoarding 3 1st rounders andtheir next chance at a "franchise QB" not available until at best the 2nd round next year.

But the rumor wasn't that they asked about any of those guys. It was that they asked about Mallet. Maybe they don't see him as that big a gamble. Maybe they are confident that they can go .500 with Collins and not have a shot at a top pick and would want a young QB coming up behind him with a year in the system.

And I'm not saying the Pats should, would, or will get a 1st rounder. The rumor is that they asked about him, all the talk about what he would get is just message board spit-balling... who really cares?

I am saying that if you are looking for a young QB to groom, none of the other top ones drafted this year are available and the ones from last year like Tebow and the kid from Carolina already look like failures. Why not Mallet?

 

[shmessy]

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you're forgetting somebody.....

LOL. Haven't seen NEM in a long time.

 

[OhExaulted1]

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Andrew Luck=The 2012 Drafts Jake Locker.

 

[Ring 6]

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Overpaying for Mallett and needing a QB are NOT mutually exclusive. Setting a succession plan does not HAVE to include Ryan Mallett. In a discussion where the rumor is about the Colts inquiring about Mallett, then it does become about Mallett and Manning.

Umm, no it doesnt. It becomes about Mallett COMPARED TO OTHER OPTIONS.

I don't have much faith in your assessments so you'll have to forgive me for disregarding them most of the time. I don't know if it would be the same or different. I don't have access to insider Colts information.

Excellent because based upon the opinions you spew, I hope you would disagree with me. It confirms to me that I am knowledgable.

Probably in line with your level of acceptance.


Given that has nothing to do with the rumor about Ryan Mallett you should take up this discussion elsewhere.

Your opinion about what you think I should do is meaningless to me.

All it is is a rumor. Nothing more and nothing less. The rumor is about the Colts inquiring about Ryan Mallett. The compensation required to gain Mallett's services is topical and a point of discussion, some reasonable some far fetched.


No, you aren't.

What was that about childish?

No, your insistence on it not being an option is where your ignorance lies. I have no problem with a 1% probability of occurrence as being unlikely. Hell I posted a smiley face after suggesting a 2012 first round pick because I know that's above market rate. Personally I would have thought a 2012 2nd would be a best case scenario if the rumor is even true.

It isnt a 1% chance. What is ignorant is to think that if the Colts were entertaining trading their 1st round pcik the best thing they could get would be last years #83 pick. And further that they couldn't do any better with that pick in the draft next year.
I am really sorry that you do not understand the concept of value, but you are too arrogant to listen, so I really cant help you.

I have no problem with people questioning propositions.


I've made mention countless times my opinions on the matter. If you'd bother to read before you big noted yourself at the expense of others, you would have noted that.

As I said, feel free to direct me to where you discussed this as being a 1% probablity. Otherwise STFU with the condescending attitude.

 

[shmessy]

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But the rumor wasn't that they asked about any of those guys. It was that they asked about Mallet. Maybe they don't see him as that big a gamble. Maybe they are confident that they can go .500 with Collins and not have a shot at a top pick and would want a young QB coming up behind him with a year in the system.

And I'm not saying the Pats should, would, or will get a 1st rounder. The rumor is that they asked about him, all the talk about what he would get is just message board spit-balling... who really cares?

I am saying that if you are looking for a young QB to groom, none of the other top ones drafted this year are available and the ones from last year like Tebow and the kid from Carolina already look like failures. Why not Mallet?

I have zero problem with a rumor that they have asked about Mallet or that there could be a trade for him.

There have been folks here stating they think it could be a 1st rounder. That's where I have to laugh. There are too many reasons for the Colts not to even entertain the thought of giving up a 1st rounder to Belichick for Mallet. In the 1% chance that they would, Belichick would fall out of his chair rushing to make the trade official.

 

[OhExaulted1]

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LOL. NEM's no longer with us.

You sure he hasn't changed his IP address? Sometimes I wonder. He was a prolific poster, but some of the content....well. Can't be. No one can top 20,000+ posts a year.