Reality Arriving...

[IllegalContact]

The Pats won 14 games last year with those rookies. Did they suddenly forget how to play football against the Jets in the playoffs??

any given sunday.......oh and in case you didn't know, brady had a fractured foot going into the game.....

Also, if those rookies all get better, and it sounds as though you know for sure that they will, does that mean they win 15, or maybe 16 games this year?

who knows......tougher schedule with the AFCW this year, but look at it this way......the pats beat every single one of the final 4 teams last year (GB, Chi, Pit and NYJ)......most of them quite handily.......so at this point, it is possible to say that they simply had a bad game.

what......are you expecting history to repeat? LMFAO

 

[IllegalContact]

oh......one more reality.....

sanchez is a really lousy QB.......my prediction for this year is that if the jets don't make the playoffs, it will be because of him

 

[CuseJet]

well....holmes is better at getting paid, that's for sure......as for the rest, welker has done more.....its not even close

Based off pure talent and what stage of their career they are in, you'd be hard pressed to find many in the NFL that would take Welker over Holmes.

it's ok to mention wilkerson when it comes to rookies, though......right???

I've never once mentioned Wilkerson.

Mankins is hands down the best OL in this discussion.......Vollmer is one of the best RT's in the NFL.....

Mankins is the best guard in the NFL, Mangold is the best center in the NFL. What's more important? DBrick is one of the best LTs in the NFL, wash.

tomlinson is another year older.......he is what made the jets offense work last year....the same motivations are no longer there......RB's at that age dissipate like a fart in the wind.....

I never mentioned Tomlinson. He's not starting...

who said its not ok to start a rookie DL? show me where someone bashes that......you're the only one who questioned the validity of starting a rookie.

You said the Jets were starting rookies and jags, inferring that starting a rookie is a slight to the Jets.

the jets schemes have LB's blitz all the time......the pats used to blitz very little......but that is going to change this year.....

Ah, it's the SCHEME as to why Mayo has so little INTs and FFs, gotcha.

how many INT's did the jets LB's have last year as TE's tore them a new one?

No team is perfect and every team has a weakness. The Pats just happens to be pass defense in general.

when did butler start? so it is obvious now that you didn't really watch the pats last year.

According to NFL.com, he started 3 games last year. You should contact them and let them know of the mistake.

 

[Silver Blue&Red]

It's not relevant here because both teams have had the same quarterback for the last two years, and the Jets have advanced further both times. So the reality that Brady is better than Sanchez really hasn't been all that important.

So, How's that looking in your trophy case!

 

[BeastoftheEast]

any given sunday.......oh and in case you didn't know, brady had a fractured foot going into the game.....



who knows......tougher schedule with the AFCW this year, but look at it this way......the pats beat every single one of the final 4 teams last year (GB, Chi, Pit and NYJ)......most of them quite handily.......so at this point, it is possible to say that they simply had a bad game.

what......are you expecting history to repeat? LMFAO

Dude. You're all over the place. In an earlier post, YOU brought up ROOKIES as the reason why the Jets beat the Pats in the playoffs. When I questioned you on that, your comeback is about Brady's foot?? Stick to the topic.

 

[CuseJet]

so who is going to go in for thomas and scott this year? taylor and ihedigbo are gone......westerman? maybin? LOL cross your fingers!!!

You got part of it correct at least. Taylor did in fact go in for Thomas last year, nicely done. However, being as Ihedigbo is a saftey (he's on your team now, you should learn this), he never went in for Scott.

I pray as I fall asleep every night that the Jets will somehow, someway, find equal OLB talent to the Patriots and the budding superstars Cunningham and Ninkovich.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Pats won 14 games last year with those rookies. Did they suddenly forget how to play football against the Jets in the playoffs?

Also, if those rookies all get better, and it sounds as though you know for sure that they will, does that mean they win 15, or maybe 16 games this year?

How do Jets fans not see the flaw in this line of argument?

The Patriots won 14 games last season, while the Jets won 11 against an easier schedule. The Patriots were killing the Jets in the playoff game, but two unforced errors (Brady INT/Crumpler TD drop) turned the tide. You all act as if the Jets returned the 45-3 favor in the playoffs. That didn't happen. The Jets won a low scoring game, 14-3.

Since then, the Patriots haven't lost any signficant pieces to the team, while the Jets have. That gives the Patriots an advantage. Whether they capitalize on the advantage remains to be seen, but even Jets fans should be smart enough to know that the Patriots look to have improved themselves in the offseason far more than did the Jets.

That's the reality.

 

[CuseJet]

The Patriots were killing the Jets in the playoff game, but two unforced errors (Brady INT/Crumpler TD drop) turned the tide. You all act as if the Jets returned the 45-3 favor in the playoffs. That didn't happen. The Jets won a low scoring game, 14-3.

Yes, the Patriots were absolutely killing the Jets...3-0. The Jets did return the favor in the playoffs by winning the one that mattered. I'm not sure how this is even an argument. Even your QB says he can't stop thinking about it.

And the final score was 28-21, with the Pats never having the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to tie.

 

[IllegalContact]

Based off pure talent and what stage of their career they are in, you'd be hard pressed to find many in the NFL that would take Welker over Holmes..

says you......talent? whatever that means....simply put, welker does more......case closed

I've never once mentioned Wilkerson. .

yes you did.......

Mankins is the best guard in the NFL, Mangold is the best center in the NFL. What's more important? DBrick is one of the best LTs in the NFL, wash..

OG is more important than OC.....whis is why they get paid more.....taking one out of your playbook, most GM's would take mankins before any jet OL

I never mentioned Tomlinson. He's not starting....

except he's in there for more snaps than the other guy.......who really is not starting material anyway

You said the Jets were starting rookies and jags, inferring that starting a rookie is a slight to the Jets..

where did I say the jets are starting rookies and jags? although they still need to find answers on the OL.....you seem to be more about the rookies than anyone else......

Ah, it's the SCHEME as to why Mayo has so little INTs and FFs, gotcha..

if that's all that counts to you......he had one less ints as all jet LB's combined last year

No team is perfect and every team has a weakness. The Pats just happens to be pass defense in general. .

they struggle through starting 5 rookies and 2nd year guys last year......

According to NFL.com, he started 3 games last year. You should contact them and let them know of the mistake.

how many games in a season? the pats do occaisionally start with a nickel package.......arrington was the starter opposite mccourty last year.....but thanks for playing

 

[JFaulkNYJ]

the Oline is fine, if all starters stay healthy. The Dline is also very underrated.

Mangold, Brick, Moore, Hunter, and Slauson are a top 5 unit in the NFL. The weakest link would be Slauson. Losing Rob Turner is not good at all.., because it looks like Ducasse is atrocious.

In Rex's 3/4 scheme he doesn't need monsters on the front 3. Just fat guys, who can eat up atleast 4 blockers.

Pouha has been starting for 2 years, and DeVito about 1, and a half. Those guys are fine. Jets have Pouha, DeVito, Wilkerson ,Pitoitua, Dixon, Tevaseu, and Gilbert on the DLine. Those guys aren't really the issue.

It's the Outside Linebackers.
Calvin Pace has either been hurt, or suspended(PEDs) the past 2 years. He is a good Outside LB, but isnt amazing/great/whatever.

Bryan Thomas is a good player, but isn't what you want rushing a quarterback.

Jets are 1 pass rusher away from being a ridiculous defense. They don't have a single player with speed who can beat their blocker 1 on 1 with any consistency.

btw: Jetsinsider is full of morons.

 

[IllegalContact]

Yes, the Patriots were absolutely killing the Jets...3-0. The Jets did return the favor in the playoffs by winning the one that mattered. I'm not sure how this is even an argument. Even your QB says he can't stop thinking about it.

And the final score was 28-21, with the Pats never having the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to tie.

yes....and somehow, this moment is going to be caught in time and the pats are doomed to reliving ground hog day over and over again....LMFAO....

the pats blew the game in the 2nd quarter.......

but whats funny is this mentality of jets fans that they had their defining moment even though they didn't win squat....

 

[BeastoftheEast]

The Patriots were killing the Jets in the playoff game

Are you drunk?

Since then, the Patriots haven't lost any signficant pieces to the team, while the Jets have.

Who have the Jets lost? Braylon Edwards? We replace him with a better player in Plax. Damien Woody? Wayne Hunter was the starter at the end of the season, and against your Pats in the playoffs. Sean Ellis? The Jets didn't want him, and replaced him with youth.

That gives the Patriots an advantage.

They play the game on the field, not by a + or - formula of players lost and acquired.

but even Jets fans should be smart enough to know that the Patriots look to have improved themselves in the offseason far more than did the Jets. That's the reality.

What reality are you living in? How exactly have the Pats improved themselves? Chad Johnson & Fat Albert? good luck with those guys.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes, the Patriots were absolutely killing the Jets...3-0. The Jets did return the favor in the playoffs by winning the one that mattered. I'm not sure how this is even an argument. Even your QB says he can't stop thinking about it.

If you didn't see how the Patriots were moving the ball at will against the Jets to start the game, you weren't watching the game.

And the final score was 28-21, with the Pats never having the ball in the 4th quarter with a chance to tie.

Yes, my mistake in making a shoddy post. It was 14-3 at the half. Without the two errors, it's 14-14.

 

[IllegalContact]

Who have the Jets lost? Braylon Edwards? We replace him with a better player in Plax. Damien Woody? Wayne Hunter was the starter at the end of the season, and against your Pats in the playoffs. Sean Ellis? The Jets didn't want him, and replaced him with youth..

yes......plax.....is better.....LMFAO
yes......hunter...is better......LMFAO
yes......youth.....is better........LMFAO

oh.....by the way, hunter was responsible for the fumble-6 against the steelers.......but don't let that interrupt your dream

the jets did pay 8M to a guy they didn't want (cromartie)

They play the game on the field, not by a + or - formula of players lost and acquired...

really? novel concept.......

but they do play upcoming games based on last years results you want to see, right?

What reality are you living in? How exactly have the Pats improved themselves? Chad Johnson & Fat Albert? good luck with those guys.

well, you can look at it this way.....the pats signed ocho, fat al, carter, and ellis for the price that the jets paid to keep a guy they coveted *cough,cough* so badly in cromoartie.

I honestly don't see the jets making the playoffs this year

 

[NEGoldenAge]

How exactly have the Pats improved themselves? Chad Johnson & Fat Albert? good luck with those guys.

Besides a bunch of talented young starters getting experience, the Pats picked up Ridley, Carter, Dowling, Anderson, Solder, Cannon, Vereen and Cohen plus have a ton of guys coming off of injuries. Pats will easily win the AFC East again, and the Jets will be lucky to make it to the playoffs. If the Jets didn't get that gift in the new CBA, they would have been lucky to reach five hundred. Keep talking, Jets fan, it will just make your silence at the end of the season that much sweeter. No more uncapped years, so you have no shot of a Super Bowl appearance for a loooong time.

 

[CuseJet]

y

oh.....by the way, hunter was responsible for the fumble-6 against the steelers.......but don't let that interrupt your dream

By all means, explain this. I'd love to hear your analysis of the play.

 

[BSR]

I can't wait until the regular season starts so we can actually begin to make some real assessments of teams. This extrapolation of past seasons and projections of player performance are almost as useless as the "my player is better than yours" arguments.

I do have to say however, that this board does have a better quality of football discussion then that at JI. The level of hate they spew is just over the top.

 

[Deus Irae]

What reality are you living in? How exactly have the Pats improved themselves? Chad Johnson & Fat Albert? good luck with those guys.

Thanks for demonstrating, once again, that I'm right about clownish Jets fans.

Leaving out extrapolations about age, both for the young and old, and not counting Fat Albert since he hasn't seen the field yet:

Bodden is an upgrade over Butler
Multiple DEs upgrading the position, even if it's only a depth improvement
Mankins to start the season, not coming in well into the year
Addition of Chad Johnson to replace Tate in the WR rotation

You can roll your eyes about Johnson all you want, but he's a definite upgrade over Tate, as long as he gets the offense down. In the meantime, your team lost depth and lost Ellis to the Patriots, and Woody to retirement.

 

[CuseJet]

If you didn't see how the Patriots were moving the ball at will against the Jets to start the game, you weren't watching the game.

A lot of good it did them.

 

[CuseJet]

I can't wait until the regular season starts so we can actually begin to make some real assessments of teams. This extrapolation of past seasons and projections of player performance are almost as useless as the "my player is better than yours" arguments.

I do have to say however, that this board does have a better quality of football discussion then that at JI. The level of hate they spew is just over the top.

Very much agreed on all points. Bravo.