Mankins could hold up NFL settlement

[IllegalContact]

Tremendous job of making things up and drawing a conclusion of what they would mean if they were accurate.

just as accurate as you assessment on how mankins has gained nothing

 

[BlueThunder]

Would you two hold up for a minute..

I need to grab more popcorn

 

[Ring 6]

so basically, you only care that he shows up for the pats.......

I'm a Patsfan.

you have no clue as to what was gained or lost until the whole ordeal is over. with the franchise tag, both this year and next, he will earn in 2 years what the pats did not want to pay him over 3 years......

That is irrelevant. He gained nothing by not signing the tender. He gained nothing by holding out. He is in exactly the same position today that he would have been if he signed the tender and reported only he'd have more money in the bank.

this isn't over by any means......he's got plenty of years left in him, and if/when the pats don't pony up, someone else will

That doesnt change the fact that those decisions were mistakes, becuase they cost him something and gained him nothing.

......if they don't come to terms with him, he will do what samuel did and only come back if they promise to not tag him again.

Again, that has nothing to do with the mistakes he made last year, and there is certainly no guarantee the Pats would agree to that. His alternative would be to hold out, lose 600,000 a game, and still be subject to the tag next year. He doesn't hold much power in that ploy.

one thing is for sure.....he does not give a crap what you or any of us think.

Sadly that is probably correct.

its funny how some can make themselves seem like experts without taking a moment to see the situation from something other than the 'I love my team' perspective

Where do I say I am an expert?
How does looking at Mankins decisions and concluding they cost him something and he gained nothing equate to a 'I love my team' perspective.
You are arguing from an AntiPatriot perspective. I am looking at it from both sides.
Its not debatable that Mankins made mistakes last year. There is absoluitely no bias in seeing that. Ignoring it requires a pro-Mankins bias because the facts do not support your position.

 

[Ring 6]

just as accurate as you assessment on how mankins has gained nothing

OK. Tell me what he gained by not signing the tender,by holding out and by not listening to offers.
I'm all ears.

 

[Ring 6]

Would you two hold up for a minute..

I need to grab more popcorn

Oooooo popcorn. Be right back:rocker:

 

[IllegalContact]

OK. Tell me what he gained by not signing the tender,by holding out and by not listening to offers.
I'm all ears.

Your perspective is like what it is because of facts in this issue you are not aware of.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Your perspective is like what it is because of facts in this issue you are not aware of.

I for one am curious. What facts? How do you know of such? Logan, is that you?

My advice...take the fully loaded farm combine!

 

[IllegalContact]

I for one am curious. What facts? How do you know of such? Logan, is that you?

My advice...take the fully loaded farm combine!

I didn't claim to have any facts........nor have I taken any stances that would allow such perception.....

All of you have already tried and hung mankins......you are friends of the front office.........andlook at them now.....they're (even bob kraft) the bunch of chiselers just like any other sleazy businessmen.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I didn't claim to have any facts........nor have I taken any stances that would allow such perception.....

All of you have already tried and hung mankins......you are friends of the front office.........andlook at them now.....they're (even bob kraft) the bunch of chiselers just like any other sleazy businessmen.

If you don't have them how can claim they exist and Andy simply isn't aware of them?

Brady never asked anyone to tear up the last year of his rookie deal. The team offered him an extension in the final year of his rookie deal that folded that year into the existing deal. And that's a fact.

BTW nice sentiment towards Robert on the day he lays his sweetheart to rest. Was a big mistake on Ian's part to not create an assclown forum here...because for some reason this place sure attracts it's share of them.

 

[captain stone]

After he helped make Matt Cassel a valuable trade asset during 2008, Mankin$' rookie contract should've been torn-up, completely, and re-done before the 2009 season.

Whereas not many but the most die-hard Deion Branch fans would've argued that he was a top 6-8 WR after 2005, not many but the most die-hard Mankin$ haters would've argued that he wasn't already a top 6-8 OG after 2008.

Mankin$ has leverage in this respect: he is - by far - the Pats' best OLman, and nobody currently on the roster comes even remotely close to having the ability to replace him. Bill, of all people, should understand this. Losing Mankin$, even if he plays here one more year, would be disastrous, esp. for the health of the ever-stiffening statue known as Tom Brady (and for future statue Ryan Mallett).

 

[TruthSeeker]

After he helped make Matt Cassel a valuable trade asset during 2008, Mankin$' rookie contract should've been torn-up, completely, and re-done before the 2009 season.

The Patriots position has always been to honor their contracts fully; that's why they signed them in the first place. Players sometimes want to not honor their contracts. When these demands have been given to the Patriots, the Patriots have simply refused to not honor the original contract.

Personally, I think the Patriots' position is very reasonable. Not sure why it's a good thing to change the rules for some; that just leads to confusion.

 

[Ring 6]

Your perspective is like what it is because of facts in this issue you are not aware of.

Come on. You would be right but there are mysterious facts that no one knows?
Go ahead, explain what they are.

 

[Ring 6]

After he helped make Matt Cassel a valuable trade asset during 2008, Mankin$' rookie contract should've been torn-up, completely, and re-done before the 2009 season.

What??????? You bring in a QB off the bench who does well, and the LG should get his contract torn up? Can you please apply for the Jets GM job? I will give you a glowing reference.

Whereas not many but the most die-hard Deion Branch fans would've argued that he was a top 6-8 WR after 2005, not many but the most die-hard Mankin$ haters would've argued that he wasn't already a top 6-8 OG after 2008.

So?

Mankin$ has leverage in this respect: he is - by far - the Pats' best OLman, and nobody currently on the roster comes even remotely close to having the ability to replace him. Bill, of all people, should understand this. Losing Mankin$, even if he plays here one more year, would be disastrous, esp. for the health of the ever-stiffening statue known as Tom Brady (and for future statue Ryan Mallett).

Guards are eminently replacable.

 

[Ring 6]

I didn't claim to have any facts........nor have I taken any stances that would allow such perception.....

You just said my opinion is based on facts I don't know. Now you are saying there aren't any? You are talking in parallelograms.

All of you have already tried and hung mankins......you are friends of the front office.........andlook at them now.....they're (even bob kraft) the bunch of chiselers just like any other sleazy businessmen.

How is stating that Mankins made poor decisions taking any side?
Are you saying that pretending everything he did was a good choice because you overall feel he should have gotten more money is an objective opinion?
Where have I tried and hung Mankins? I have not placed blame on him, and have repeatedly said he did what it was his right to, however, in retrospect he made poor decisions.
Are you really saying it has turned out to be good for him to have not signed the tender, resulting in his salary being cut in half, and to hold out 7 games and lose all that money too?
If you think he gained something from it that means it was a good decision, by all means tell me what it was. You have blabbered on since making that statement without showing a single thing he gained from those decisions.
Perhaps you should change your postion to you feel sorry for him, then everyone can understand you.

 

[townes]

Guards are eminently replacable.

HOF quality players are never "eminently replaceable." John Hannah wasn't and Logan Mankins isn't.


I will give you this however, at least you didn't trash him based on something he didn't do.

 

[ralmat55]

To paraphrase a former Vice-Presidential candidate - Mr. Mankins, John Hannah was a friend of mine and, sir, you're no John Hannah.

 

[townes]

To paraphrase a former Vice-Presidential candidate - Mr. Mankins, John Hannah was a friend of mine and, sir, you're no John Hannah.

You're right, Mankins is better.

 

[Joker]

You're right, Mankins is better.

Lay off the LSD Flakes at breakfast...you are hallucinating again...

 

[sbpatfan]

Lay off the LSD Flakes at breakfast...you are hallucinating again...

I knew a guy that use to sell LSD laced boxes of Captain Crunch.

 

[Joker]

I knew a guy that use to sell LSD laced boxes of Captain Crunch.

obviously, he sold a ten year supply to "Timothy Leary" townes....
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