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The reason that Ridley made me go "Hmmmm" was because of WHEN he was taken, not because he was taken.

It's not like they picked a certain UFA in the 2nd round. Based on their offensive system and what they deem as important, the Pats rate players differently that Mike Maylock.

Considering that I do a write up every year on the status of players, I know the status of Taylor, Faulk and Morris.

Not sure why you need to insert a cred statement in there. Am I supposed to know this?
 
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Even better in 2012......... BB appears to be drafting for players that will contribute in 2 years. I wonder if he knows something we don't :(

Based on the uncertainly of Mankins and Light, you may very well see 2 rooks starting on the line in 2011.
 
Tell that to Danny Woodhead and Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis. Oops you failed on that one!

How about you go talk to guys like Pat Paschall and Kenny Cattous. There are far more Paschall's and Cattous's that don't work out for whatever reason, than there are Woodhead's and BJGE's who end up being highly productive (not just backups or STer's). And that goes for every position, not just RB's. ]

A starting offensive guard is far more important than a running back who will be fourth on the depth chart.

Yes, a starting guard is important. No, it doesn't have to be filled during the draft. It can easily be filled during the free agency period.

By you keep stressing that a guard should've been taken instead of Ridley, you're pretty much saying the Pats should've taken a guard even if they didn't have one rated in their next 5, 10, 20, or 50 available.


Connolly does not fit the bill.

Just because Connolly is a perfect example of a UDFA that went undrafted that Scar was able to coach up into a contributor and potential starter, you can't dismiss him because it doesn't fit you viewpoint that they needed to draft a guard. Guess what, they've done this multiple times now with guys like Wendell, Yates, etc. Hell they've had better success with UDFAs on the OL rather than their draft picks (Larson, Welch, Oldenberg, Hilliard, etc.). Oh and its been two years since Ohrnberger was drafted in the 4th, yet what has he done to this point?

Oh and guess what, you can stop complaining now because Cannon is going to come in and play guard. He may not start, but he has a chance to if no vet is brought in.


There exists a financial constraint called the salary cap.

This is a stupid argument. 1) There is no cap at the moment, so how is it a constraint. 2) I don't remember the exact number, but the Pats will be under it based on Miguel's projections (patscap.com if you want to do some homework). 3) Neal was making about $2.5-3.0 that comes off the books and can be spent on another starting caliber guard.

Considering how bad the Buffalo Bills defense was last year, if Stroud was that good the Buffalo Bills would have re-signed him.

This is even worst than the salary cap comment because apparently you think that being on a bad team automatically makes a player bad. So that means you think Leigh Bodden is a horrible CB since he was released by the Lions before being signed here.

These people know a heck of alot more about collegiate football players than you.

Is this really one of your arguments? Besides them spending more time watching youtube videos and games on their couches, what makes them know more than me or anyone else here? To let you in on a secret, not all of these guys were scouts at some point and many may have never stepped on a football field. Plus if these guys knew so much, they'd be working for an NFL team right now.

Belichick is not infallible; the New England Patriots 2006 NFL Draft is a prime example.

Who said BB never gets anything wrong? He has drafted plenty of players that haven't worked out.

The New England Patriots could have selected Ridley with one of their fifth round draft picks while selecting an offensive guard in the third round, a position of dire need. That is the concept of draft value.

I'll say this over and over, but how do you know that no one else was going to draft him? Do you have a live feed in every war room? Have you seen every team's actual draft boards? Oh wait, you don't. So people need to stop making this argument. Heck, there are many examples of the Pats grabbing a "reach" like Mankins, yet stories come out later that a team or two later would have picked them.

Vollmer was hardly a reach when compared to Ridley.

Once again, this is based on your opinion and the opinions of your draft expert buddies. Who has been right more, BB and his scouting team that interacts with these kids year round or you and the experts that watch games on tv or the internet? If BB values Vollmer in the second, he will take him there. If BB values Ridley in the 3rd, he will take him there. He's not going to trade down to the 5th round just to make you happy.
 
But then it gets worse....


But then it gets worse.....much worse.

NO impact at OLB

NO impact at on the DL

NO impact at WR

NO ONE to replace Steven Neal at G

WHAT A WASTE. :mad:

A draft that was SQUANDERED.....perhaps the beginning of the end?

The waste is you even coming here ...

it's a waste that you don't know how to use your brain when talking football.


epic fail ... your usual.

The draft is 1/3 of the player process ... 1/3 and the most risky of all.
 
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The only thing more annoying than the constant complaining are the ones acting like BB can do no wrong.
 
NO plays a 43.
Before you say you want to change the system because we can't find players that fit it (the way you want them to) you should look at the results. Profootbalreference.com has a nice tool where you can pick any period of time and rank all the teams in any stats. Put in 2000-2010 and see how the system checks out.
The point is the R+R defence Isn't the only one that is succesfull. Some people such as myself drink Kool aid, some chug, and some like yourself are hooked up to a continuous I.V. drip.
There are plenty of respected (at least they were until last night) posters here that think that a real need for this team is defense, especially a pass rusher. The pats haven't had a one since Vrable and Colvin were in their prime five years ago or more. But when they and i make our case were call idiots, morons. Bill B is a genious well Landry, Shula, Walsh, Noll, JJohnson were all geniouses at one time too. In the end the arc of thier careers is similar, they all won thier SB withing a six year window, after that except for Shula they never made it back to another SB. I like watching the team win a lot of games but i like winning SB's better. Thats the ultimate goal.
 
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The only thing more annoying than the constant complaining are the ones acting like BB can do no wrong.

That's not true....... I think BB got totally hosed by the Eagles. He coughed up 193 for 194............ AND NOTHING ELSE. I can't believe he got taken like that.

As for the rest of the draft........ great moves.
 
The waste is you even coming here ...

it's a waste that you don't know how to use your brain when talking football.


epic fail ... your usual.

The draft is 1/3 of the player process ... 1/3 and the most risky of all.

Well said, the reality is that as fans we have certain needs in mind, which may be different with what BB has in mind..

The reality is that in the past two years this team has been almost completely transformed..
 
That's not true....... I think BB got totally hosed by the Eagles. He coughed up 193 for 194............ AND NOTHING ELSE. I can't believe he got taken like that.

As for the rest of the draft........ great moves.

Apparently its and 'inside between the two teams' issue that keeps their trade streak alive
 
Apparently its and 'inside between the two teams' issue that keeps their trade streak alive

;) yeah........ I got that..... Just messing with the biggest pessimist on the board. He hates BB and every move he makes in a draft. I have him pegged as a JETS fan anyway,
 
;) yeah........ I got that..... Just messing with the biggest pessimist on the board. He hates BB and every move he makes in a draft. I have him pegged as a JETS fan anyway,

Care to find one post saying I hate BB?
 
That's not true....... I think BB got totally hosed by the Eagles. He coughed up 193 for 194............ AND NOTHING ELSE. I can't believe he got taken like that.

As for the rest of the draft........ great moves.

Yes . . . those 0.4 points are so important right now. . . . :D
 
First of all, the 2010 defense was no that bad. In fact, I remember that everyone was excited about the future of the D, and the fact that most players are so young is so promising. Having said that, this D needs leadership and poise, attributes which are mostly generated by veterans. We do not need to get any younger, we need to continue developing the guys we have.

Second, and related to the previous point, I wouldn't be surprised if we go after a veteran pass rusher in Free Agency. Drafting Carter could be a case to develop a pass rusher for the mid term future, while the guys we have and free agents fill the need in the near future.

Third, by adding another CB we are covering our backs for injury. Last year we were lucky that both Arrington and McCourty were mostly healthy during the season. Imagine what could have happened if not. CB's always get hurt, and in a passing league, you can't have many of them. As well, I prefer having Pat Chung playing as a Safety and not as a Nickelback as he did last year.

Fourth, we need to start to recognize the unthinkable. Brady is turning 35 and he is been injury prone the last few years (the ankle for SB 42, the knee in 2008, ribs and finger in 2009, foot in 2010) and certainly that's not gonna improve. So, just as in 2008, BB wants to create some competition for the backup role, in case someone (probably Hoyer) has to come in for Brady for a long period of time. Remember that in 08, we drafted O'Connell, and yes, he turned out to be a bust, but at least he created the competition that could have sparked Matt Cassell's improvement.

Fifth, please, understand BB drafting philosophy. YOU DO NOT DRAFT PLAYERS FOR NEED! You draft players because of value. In a young team, which needs some veteran presence more rookies are less valued. As well, by trading for future picks, it gives us more flexibility than the rest of the teams to go to free agency and the trading period than the rest of the teams. We can trade a 2012's 2nd or even a 1st pick and we would be in a good position, while other teams are could enter that phase without many trading chips.

Sixth, you draft 2 running backs, because you are losing 2 or 3. This season Faulk, Taylor and Morris probably won't be back. So we need a change of pace for BJGE, we need a 3rd down pass catcher (which I thinkl we have in Woody) and we need a short-yardage fullback.

Seventh, we are preparing for the future. Miller could be Alge Crumpler successor as blocking TE. Cannon could be ready for 2012, when Light, Koppen and/or Mankins won't be here. So, we are preparing to rebuid the OL with top rated players for the mid term.

So people, dont complain just yet, please!
 
If Mallet is able to beat Hoyer out this year, think about what that says regarding this team's QB position management over the past 2 years.

It would say that Mallet is better than Hoyer. You have a problem with that?
 
It would say that Mallet is better than Hoyer. You have a problem with that?

Yes, because it would say that the Patriots were putting their team at risk by having a backup who couldn't hold off a rookie QB from a bad QB class.
 
Why? If Brady gets injured then Mallett can step right in. It's never a bad idea to have a good backup at the most important position.

Nothing Belichick does make sense to him. DI's got an agenda, and one can only wonder why.
 
Yes, because it would say that the Patriots were putting their team at risk by having a backup who couldn't hold off a rookie QB from a bad QB class.

That's one scenario. Can you not imagine other, more positive, scenarios?
 
Nothing Belichick does make sense to him. DI's got an agenda, and one can only wonder why.

That's one scenario. Can you not imagine other, more positive, scenarios?

My "agenda" is giving as even a look at the team as I can. I'd rather be honest about what I see with my team, and to be a realist. If you'd rather be a homer, or a Chicken Little, you're welcome to those approaches.

For me, being realistic about the teams I follow makes them more fun to watch. Your mileage may vary.
 
If Mallet is able to beat Hoyer out this year, think about what that says regarding this team's QB position management over the past 2 years.
It says their backup the last 2 years isnt as good as the guy they rated the best QB in the draft, a draft where a QB went #1 and 4 went in the first 12. I think there are very few teams with a backup that wouldn't be beaten out by the guy they think was the best QB in a QB heavy draft, in other words, it says nothing.
 
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