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Would you like to see the Pats go after luck in 2012?


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Terrible idea. Too much risk in a first round quarterback.

Unfortunately I accidentally voted yes in the poll...
 
This is a tough one and it's not made any easier because the Poll question (would you like to see...) is different than the Thread question (would you be opposed...).

Several posters have pointed out the risks associated with going all-in to draft a QB. Need we put in evidence to support that perspective any more names than Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russel, Alex Smith and Vince Young? We seem to have done just fine with a sixth round pick and managed to win 11 games in a recent season with a guy who hadn't started a game since High School.

So, I guess if I believe that lightening can strike three times in the same club house in a 15 year period, I'd say that I wouldn't "like to see" them moving up to get Luck or anybody. But, I'm not sure I see it that way.

So, I don't think it's unreasonable to start looking three or four years down the pike.

Steve Young sat four seasons behind Montana (after two years in Tampa) and Aaron Rogers sat behind Favre for three seasons. Both of those guys worked out OK, one in Canton and the other starting to look like an elite QB. If any franchise could succeed with that formula again, I'd put my money on a franchise managed in the clubhouse by Belichick and from the Front Office by the Krafts. So, I'm not as worried by the "disgruntled sub" scenario.

The history of teams that have great success with a HOF QB is generally that they wander around in the desert for a long time before they find his replacement. The exceptions seem to be the two teams that had premium backups waiting to move up, Young and Rogers for Montana and Favre.

The Cowboys went 13 seasons, including a few with a very solid Danny White at QB, waiting to get to and win a Super Bowl between Staubach's last appearance and Aikman's first win. The Steelers went 16 seasons before getting back to the big game after Bradshaw's last win and 26 years (that's a quarter of a century) before they won again. It's been 16 years and counting since the niners last won with Steve young. It was 29 years after Lombardi and Starr won SB's I and II before Favre took the Packers back to the promised land. It's been 27 years since Shula and Marino took the Fins to their last Super Bowl.

So, no, I wouldn't "be opposed" to trading up and going after a Luck, if Belichick and the Krafts think that there's a high degree of probability that he is "the one" to take up where Tommy leaves off. The average retirement age for an SB era HOF QB is 37, or where Brady will be three years from now. That would be two seasons after next year's draft for Luck on the sidelines, maybe a third.

None of us can know when TB will decide to call it quits, but the one thing we know about him for sure is that he has more class in his little finger than Brett Favre and won't hang around and become a distraction when his time has come. He's said he wants to play until he's 40, like Favre. But, he takes a lot more hits than Brett and has lost an entire season to injury as well, plus going through another off season this year in rehab. So, who knows how it will all play out.

It's been 14 years between Lombardi's for Greenbay...Hope they get more than one out of Rogers or the drafting high for the replacement and then letting him develop theory bridging any gaps goes a little askew... And people keep forgetting that the Young to Montana transition happened prior to FA and the salary cap making that scenario untenable. Not to mention Young had already played for 3 years as a pro miserably before being traded to SF for a 2nd and a 4th and was 31 by the time he took over as the starter following a locker room rift that resulted in Montana's being traded and he didn't win that one SB until he was...33. And it was the only one he won. Not exactly a seemless transition. They might have fared as well had they retained Montana for his last two seasons...
 
Just another example of why this site needs a REALLY REALLY REALLY STUPID IDEA forum.
 
That's what the Practice Squad is for.
 
Terrible idea. Too much risk in a first round quarterback.

Unfortunately I accidentally voted yes in the poll...

Would that be because the question in the thread title is the opposite of the question in the poll? LOL
 
Absolutely. Would you be willing to spend it for another (potential) 15 years of elite QB play?

He could turn out to be the next Ryan Leaf, too.

That and I don't see BB doing this anyway. It's exactly the kind of thing he never does.
 
Steve Young sat four seasons behind Montana (after two years in Tampa) and Aaron Rogers sat behind Favre for three seasons. Both of those guys worked out OK, one in Canton and the other starting to look like an elite QB. If any franchise could succeed with that formula again, I'd put my money on a franchise managed in the clubhouse by Belichick and from the Front Office by the Krafts. So, I'm not as worried by the "disgruntled sub" scenario.

The history of teams that have great success with a HOF QB is generally that they wander around in the desert for a long time before they find his replacement. The exceptions seem to be the two teams that had premium backups waiting to move up, Young and Rogers for Montana and Favre.

The Cowboys went 13 seasons, including a few with a very solid Danny White at QB, waiting to get to and win a Super Bowl between Staubach's last appearance and Aikman's first win. The Steelers went 16 seasons before getting back to the big game after Bradshaw's last win and 26 years (that's a quarter of a century) before they won again. It's been 16 years and counting since the niners last won with Steve young. It was 29 years after Lombardi and Starr won SB's I and II before Favre took the Packers back to the promised land. It's been 27 years since Shula and Marino took the Fins to their last Super Bowl.

So, no, I wouldn't "be opposed" to trading up and going after a Luck, if Belichick and the Krafts think that there's a high degree of probability that he is "the one" to take up where Tommy leaves off. The average retirement age for an SB era HOF QB is 37, or where Brady will be three years from now. That would be two seasons after next year's draft for Luck on the sidelines, maybe a third.

None of us can know when TB will decide to call it quits, but the one thing we know about him for sure is that he has more class in his little finger than Brett Favre and won't hang around and become a distraction when his time has come. He's said he wants to play until he's 40, like Favre. But, he takes a lot more hits than Brett and has lost an entire season to injury as well, plus going through another off season this year in rehab. So, who knows how it will all play out.

This is kind of my position. I just wanted to wait before posting it to see if anyone else (sorta) seen it the same way.

the reason i used Luck, is that i believe in my heart of hearts that this kid is in fact going to be a star at the next level. Many of you here know how much of a draft junkie I am, so my feelings on this kid are not without reason. I think he is the best prospect to come out since Peyton Manning. Big Arm, Accurate, and extremely intelligent. Put this kid behind TFB for three or four seasons and he is still only 24-25 years old.

Now I know the $$ it would take to bring a top 5 pick in... But stop for a minute and consider the possibility of a Rookie Wage Scale being in place by 2012. Does that change how you would feel about it at all?

As far as the picks go, and making the team better NOW for Brady. They are a 14-2 team. Why cant they do BOTH? It's not as if the team is light years away. A few key FA signings and some good value picks in the next two drafts and this team is going to stay dominant.
 
He could turn out to be the next Ryan Leaf, too.

That and I don't see BB doing this anyway. It's exactly the kind of thing he never does.

The only thing BB ALWAYS does, is exactly the kind of thing he NEVER does.

The guy's unpredictability is part of his genius.
 
True that. I'm new to this posting stuff as well so I try to be careful what i say.

How about explaining your position instead of coming into a thread with nothing better than terrible shtick?

True Dat yo. Word, word playa.
 
Terrible idea. Too much risk in a first round quarterback.

Unfortunately I accidentally voted yes in the poll...

Damn Jack... I thought you were on board! lol
 
Oops! I voted for the wrong one. I voted against the thread title, but not the right vote for the poll. I do not want the Pats trading up for Luck.
 
Sorry i couldn't change the Poll question. I went to bed shortly after posting it and the Edit time limit expired.

Mods feel free to edit it please.
 
no

his first INT would bring out "BAD LUCK!" from all the Boston mediots
 
What, no faith in the Brian Hoyer Experience?
 
I think we should look at the incoming NCAA freshman class of QBs as potential replacemets for Brady. 4 years of college and 2 years internship in the pros should be about right. I think we are looking at 6 years before Brady retires.
 
I think we should look at the incoming NCAA freshman class of QBs as potential replacemets for Brady. 4 years of college and 2 years internship in the pros should be about right. I think we are looking at 6 years before Brady retires.

Yup, I been saying all along Brady's replacement is still in HS... There is no rush to find him. Cassel proved to be a better than average replacement. Hoyer is here for another year or two. There will be another either this year or next who develops well enough to make the grade as the #2. Then the scouting hunt may begin in earnest.
 
Barring injury, and assuming his career trajectory continues in the way most scouts expect.

sure...trade our 2010 2nd rounder to Carolina for their 2011 first. DO IT!
 
sure...trade our 2010 2nd rounder to Carolina for their 2011 first. DO IT!

Carolina wouldn't make that move. Well, I guess it would be possible if they used the 1st rounder this year to go QB and thought there was a monster player available at 33. I don't know of anyone in the 33 range that's being looked at that way, though, do you?
 
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I'd be very opposed to that, Hoyer looked good vs the dolphins. Patriots need to win NOW while they still have Brady. Hoyer will do for now. Why waste a pick they could use on o-line or d-line or an outside linebacker on a player you won't use for like 3 years?
 
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