Welker is the talk of the town

[VrabelMayeWin]

Surrendering one of the best players in football and weakening their receiving corps for another draft pick is flat out stupid. The Patriots already have plenty of picks and getting rid of Welker to add another is so dumb it is beyond comprehension. Seriously, there are times when fans put out ideas that are so ridiculous they should simply be deleted, this is one of those times.

From a football standpoint you are correct but Welker is going to want the monster contract that he's never had and we both know what that means. Very few players not named "Tom Brady" get that in New England.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Surrendering one of the best players in football and weakening their receiving corps for another draft pick is flat out stupid. The Patriots already have plenty of picks and getting rid of Welker to add another is so dumb it is beyond comprehension. Seriously, there are times when fans put out ideas that are so ridiculous they should simply be deleted, this is one of those times.

Well actually no.

As I mentioned earlier, the only way I see this happening is if BB feels the need to go get a big time #1 receiver. The only way you get guys like that is if you have something to surrender.

Trading Moss was unthinkable then it happened. I suppose you knew Seymour was going to get traded.

The point is a rumour started. Nobody knows if it's true. It may not happen but the probability is greater than 2+2=5.

I am sorry but there are certain traits here that are consistent with standard BB SOP.

 

[townes]

Well actually no.

As I mentioned earlier, the only way I see this happening is if BB feels the need to go get a big time #1 receiver. The only way you get guys like that is if you have something to surrender.

Trading Moss was unthinkable then it happened. I suppose you knew Seymour was going to get traded.

The point is a rumour started. Nobody knows if it's true. It may not happen but the probability is greater than 2+2=5.

I am sorry but there are certain traits here that are consistent with standard BB SOP.

The point is that some people treat tweets from other fans as though they have credence when they have absolutely none. I never saw the Seymour trade coming at that point in time but the Moss trade wasn't surprising, in fact it was fairly obvious given his state of mind. As for welker being traded the % is less than zero, it isn't going to happen. He may leave when his deal is up but i really doubt that as well and see him here for the rest of Brady's career.

 

[townes]

From a football standpoint you are correct but Welker is going to want the monster contract that he's never had and we both know what that means. Very few players not named "Tom Brady" get that in New England.

Actually they have paid their best players. Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Light, Koppen, etc... have all gotten new deals, as did moss, so they pay when it makes sense and Welker will make sense and other teams aren't going to pay him 100 million.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

Actually they have paid their best players. Brady, Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Light, Koppen, etc... have all gotten new deals, as did moss, so they pay when it makes sense and Welker will make sense and other teams aren't going to pay him 100 million.

Generally at a younger age or fairly team friendly deals. Welker will be 30 on May 1, takes a lot of hits for his size and likely wants the monster deal that he's never had. I could be wrong, I am a lot, but my gut feeling is Welker will be looking for more than the Patriots want to pay for that player at this time.

 

[Sciz]

Reasons to trade Welker:
1. Almost 30 years old
2. Led the NFL in drops
3. Takes quite a beating
4. Isn't a great fit for 2TE offense
5. One year left on his contract
6. Edelman has played well in his spot
7. It could get Price active if the coaching staff thinks he's ready, while still having Tate on KR and Edelman on PR
8. Opens up a WR roster spot for a bigger, faster WR that fits the offense better (Julio Jones?)

 

[townes]

Reasons to trade Brady:

1)Over 30

2) Production went down after Moss left,.5 points.

3) Tokk alot of hits.

4) Highest paid QB

5) Hoyer played well against miam.

6) Lost last 3 play-off games.




While we are at it lets get rid of all of there great players for draft picks, i'm sure Blaine gabbert and julio Jones are better than Brady and Welker, and Stefan Wisniewski can replace Mankins. Seriouslhy, this site should start a Dumbass Ideea Forum for people who think they should trade Welker and Brady, Belichik should retire.......because these ideas are so far beyond stupid that the only place they would make sense is such a forum. Let's bring in Matt Millen to run the show, yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[townes]

Reasons to trade Brady:

1)Over 30

2) Production went down after Moss left,.5 points.

3) Tokk alot of hits.

4) Highest paid QB

5) Hoyer played well against miam.

6) Lost last 3 play-off games.




While we are at it lets get rid of all of there great players for draft picks, i'm sure Blaine gabbert and julio Jones are better than Brady and Welker, and Stefan Wisniewski can replace Mankins. Seriously, this site should start a Dumbass Ideea Forum for people who think they should trade Welker and Brady, Belichik should retire.......because these ideas are so far beyond stupid that the only place they would make sense is such a forum. Let's bring in Matt Millen to run the show, yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[MaineMan]

Reasons to trade Brady:

1)Over 30

2) Production went down after Moss left,.5 points.

3) Tokk alot of hits.

4) Highest paid QB

5) Hoyer played well against miam.

6) Lost last 3 play-off games.




While we are at it lets get rid of all of there great players for draft picks, i'm sure Blaine gabbert and julio Jones are better than Brady and Welker, and Stefan Wisniewski can replace Mankins. Seriously, this site should start a Dumbass Ideea Forum for people who think they should trade Welker and Brady, Belichik should retire.......because these ideas are so far beyond stupid that the only place they would make sense is such a forum. Let's bring in Matt Millen to run the show, yeah, that's the ticket.

Because exaggerating someone's idea all out of proportion is proof that it was stupid.

 

[townes]

Because exaggerating someone's idea all out of proportion is proof that it was stupid.

I simply replaced Welker with Brady, and the idea of trading Welker IS beyond STUPID. The supposed justifications for trading Welker are equally stupid, which is the point of replacing his name with Brady, as some dumbasses use the exact same logic when suggesting Brady be traded.

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

Welker is going nowhere unless the Falcons or some other team really blows BB of his feet with a trade offer.

 

[JMarr]

I love Welker, but it would not suprise me if he was on the block.

I have a feeling that if we trade Welker it may be for a 2012 pick.
We have a ton of picks this year and Belichick loves to stock pile
picks for the future.

I could see Belichick take a 2nd round pick in 2012, from a team he feels
may struggle in 2011.

Who know's maybe it will turn into a top 40 pick in 2012.

It seems like most teams look for the quick fix and do not look to the
future as much as the Patriots.

I am sure Belichick would take a 2nd round pick in 2011 over a 3rd
round pick in 2011.

I doubt BB gives much consideration to where exactly a team he's acquiring a pick from might finish in the future. This is the NFL where nothing is a given.

Look at Oakland this year. If he was banking on Oakland's #1 pick in two years turning into a top 10 (like tons of posters here were), then that is just stupid and makes the Seymour trade look ridiculous because there are several guys in the top 15 range this year that the Pats could really use. All those guys are now pretty much ruled out because of how well Oakland did.

 

[JMarr]

From a football standpoint you are correct but Welker is going to want the monster contract that he's never had and we both know what that means. Very few players not named "Tom Brady" get that in New England.

How could you possibly know this? And how do you know that other NFL teams would value Welker as much and be as good a fit for him as the Pats? You know the old "home town discount" thing does still happen in sports and if anyone would do it for the Pats it would be Welker. Currently Welker embodies the Patriot Way more than anyone else on the team.

Whoever "townes" is, every point he has made in this tread is absolutely dead-on as to why it's virtually impossible that Welker will be traded, so I won't try to rehash any of those arguments showing how idiotic this idea is.

 

[MaineMan]

I simply replaced Welker with Brady, and the idea of trading Welker IS beyond STUPID. The supposed justifications for trading Welker are equally stupid, which is the point of replacing his name with Brady, as some dumbasses use the exact same logic when suggesting Brady be traded.

Look. I don't know you personally and would never judge your general character or intelligence. However, earlier I posted why I thought trading Welker could be a possibility, so you're effectively calling me a dumbass. If you can't control your emotions and argue a subject point-by-point, rationally and civilly, and without calling others dumbasses, I strongly suggest you walk away from the thread.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

How could you possibly know this?

90% of what is written here is education guess. I don't KNOW this. But Welker has made less in his career than Brady is making in one year; Welker has made about half in his career that Moss made last year. As football players go he's had just an OK contract. He's 30 and he's going to want big money. No I can't prove it and I don't have a link; but I can tell you "beyond a reasonable doubt" that he will want a ton of money and would be willing to go elsewhere to get it.

Would Belichick give him big money for 2 years until he's 32 ? He probably would. But Welker will want big money for 4-5 years and Belichick isn't going to do that. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but I highly doubt it.

We'll either trade him this offseason (once it's allowed) or have him play it out then either let him go or Franchise and Trade him.

And don't ask me "how I know" next time unless you want every sentence ever written here to state "IMO" afterwards.

 

[townes]

Look. I don't know you personally and would never judge your general character or intelligence. However, earlier I posted why I thought trading Welker could be a possibility, so you're effectively calling me a dumbass. If you can't control your emotions and argue a subject point-by-point, rationally and civilly, and without calling others dumbasses, I strongly suggest you walk away from the thread.

There are few things that are completely dumbass in sport talk but this is one of them, as is the idea of trading Brady or getting rid of Belichik, and saying so is hardly over the top or some sort of egregious insult. Additionally the fact that some actually give credence to tweets from opposing fans as though they were some sort of legitimate news is equally dumbass, and that's what started the discussion, and once again saying so is hardly some sort of vile attack. If you wish to personalize that's really your issue, as i never did.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I think if Welker accepts a contract offer somewhere between 5/25 to 5/30 that he will remain a Patriot for a long time.

 

[Banjo]

Welker has been a great player but we shouldn't get so attached. His best games are behind him. If the Patriots can get a good deal for him, they should take it. I think he deserves a big contract too, but he probably won't get it in New England.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

FWIW, PFW addressed it a little bit today in "Ask PFW":

I like all our players but especially love Wes Welker. Ever since he was benched that first series because of his witty foot references, there have been rumors that Belichick wants to get rid of Welker this offseason. Do you buy these rumors? And if so, would this be a smart move? I am biased but I just don't feel like we have the depth currently to trade off our No. 1 at receiver.
Madelyn Fife

I haven't seen any substantial rumors about Welker being traded. I've seen some people speculating about it on the Internet but nothing with any backing from the team or anyone from Welker's camp who would know. I wouldn't dismiss it as a possibility only because I learned long ago never to do that with Belichick. Welker is entering the final year of his contract and he'll be looking to get an extension done this offseason (again, assuming there is an offseason with a new CBA). Watching how any negotiations go will gives us a better idea but I don't see Belichick trading away Welker at this point. A lucrative long-term extension may not be in the offing either, but we'll see.
Paul Perillo

Read more at: Ask PFW: Offseason begins

 

[dryheat44]

I think if Welker accepts a contract offer somewhere between 5/25 to 5/30 that he will remain a Patriot for a long time.

While I think that statement may be factually correct, I'd be floored if he was offered that much. Maybe he can get 4/18 from Belechick.

I think this says volumes: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/26/wes-welker-says-he-doesnt-deserve-a-new-contract/