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So they commit turnovers on purpose during the regular season, even though they know how not to?

I mean, it will be the same quarterbacks, plus some good ones that won't make it.

Already been through this...

Good playoff quarterbacks are less likely to commit turnovers in the post season and young inexperienced defenses are less likely to force them. That is why it is a risky proposition depending on the turnover in the playoffs.
 
If the Pats get knocked out in the playoffs it will be because of their young defense and their dependence on the turnover. If that happens, is all I can say is I warned you.

You're suggesting we buy another defense before the playoffs?
 
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Already been through this...

Good playoff quarterbacks are less likely to commit turnovers in the post season and young inexperienced defenses are less likely to force them. That is why it is a risky proposition depending on the turnover in the playoffs.

Name names. You're limited to players not on the list i mentioned, because you already said they were all stupid.

Only one left that belongs with all the top QBs, that we didn't play, is Drew Brees.

Or are you saying stupid QBs like Manning and Roethlisberger take a magic playoff potion that makes them smarter?
 
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This could be the greatest troll job in the history of this site, I'm awash in admiration.
 
Already been through this...

Good playoff quarterbacks are less likely to commit turnovers in the post season and young inexperienced defenses are less likely to force them. That is why it is a risky proposition depending on the turnover in the playoffs.
The New England Patriots have three more games to tighten up on defense. However, if ten points allowed total against the Jets and Bears is not sufficient evidence the defense is not improving then I give up!
 
They had a 17 point lead against the Colts, that is a fact. The defense struggled in the 4th quarter and allowed the Colts to get back in the game. The Sanders' INT bailed them out. In the playoffs they could be looking at a different result on that last drive. This is where my point comes in that they rely on the turnover too much and could come back to haunt them.

I'm not disputing the 17-point lead. My point is that the Colts game was close throughout. It wasn't a blow-out like the Steelers game where they came back in the 4th. It was a tight first half and they were only up one possession. They shut out Manning in the third quarter and built up a 17-point lead, which lasted exactly 2:26. Which means not even 3 minutes of this game were spent with that big lead. I'd call it a tough performance from start to finish though.

I am giving the Patriots credit, they have played very well against the best teams in the AFC. In those games I just feel like the offense is playing at such a high level they are giving the defense a double digit lead to work with, which obviously makes it a lot easier. They have not been tested in a wall to wall close game where every series is critical. This isnt their fault, I am just pointing it out.

Yes, they have against Baltimore or Indy, unless of course you think the Indy game doesn't count because of 2:26. Then again, you're the same guy that tried to use one play-off game to conclude that turnovers don't happen as frequently in the play-offs.

And those double-digit leads are built in combination with the offense and defense. You think the offense just hands them a double-digit lead, but consider that we could have scored 1/3 of the points we did in the first half and still kept a double-digit lead because of the great job our defense did.

Think about it. The Pats went 3-and-out to start the game, but the defense got them the ball back right away by forcing their own 3-and-out. What if the Bears score there? Changes the complexion of the game. Considering they got the ball at the Bears 46, points were not unrealistic.

Now up 7, the Bears are driving to tie but we shut them down and force a punt. The offense scores again and suddenly we're up double-digits. You say that's the offense giving them a double-digit lead, but that's the defense earning it by stopping them twice. In fact, we'd shut them down on all 6 first-half drives. Again, you'll give credit to the offense, but the defense more than did it's part.

And you're obsessed with this thought that we can only stop teams by causing a turnover. The Bears had 10 drives today. 4 ended in turnovers. Of the remaining 6, we forced 5 punts, and allowed only one scoring drive, and that was only after a great return by Hester gave the Bears the ball at the New England 35. 4 of those 5 punts were 3-and-outs. So yes, we are starting to figure out how to do it even without the turnover.
 
Name names. You're limited to players not on the list i mentioned, because you already said they were all stupid.

Only one left that belongs with all the top QBs we didn't play is Drew Brees.

Or are you saying stupid QBs like Manning and Roethlisberger take a magic playoff potion that makes them smarter?

Cassel?

Both those guys have won SBs and know what it takes to get it done in the playoffs. This Patriots defense hasnt proven anything in the playoffs yet because they havent been there.
 
The New England Patriots have three more games to tighten up on defense. However, if ten points allowed total against the Jets and Bears is not sufficient evidence the defense is not improving then I give up!

They are improving, they are exceeding expectations. I am acknowledging that. I just dont know if they can succeed in the playoffs depending on the turnover, and the lack of experience playing in tight games throughout (exception Ravens)
 
This could be the greatest troll job in the history of this site, I'm awash in admiration.

Yeah, took me a while to figure that out. I've been wasting my time.
 
This could be the greatest troll job in the history of this site, I'm awash in admiration.

Yeah, took me a while to figure that out. I've been wasting my time.
That was evident a long time ago.. but you gotta admit it's fun watching someone with no argument attempt to answer a point and continually get shot down.

Kinda reminds me of Rex Ryan .
 
I'm done with this debate. I've stated my case and how I feel. Clearly I am in the minority, which I am fine with. I am not a troll, I am a die hard Pats fan. I guess we just have to wait till the playoffs and see what happens.
 
They are improving, they are exceeding expectations. I am acknowledging that. I just dont know if they can succeed in the playoffs depending on the turnover, and the lack of experience playing in tight games throughout (exception Ravens)
Whatever! The whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Get it? I give up discussing this topic with you.
 
Cassel?

Both those guys have won SBs and know what it takes to get it done in the playoffs. This Patriots defense hasnt proven anything in the playoffs yet because they havent been there.

It would be difficult to prove that in advance, no?

Just trying to stick to the time/space continuum here, which i suppose Mr. 1 1/2 good seasons, never played in college, would need to also.
 
I'm done with this debate. I've stated my case and how I feel. Clearly I am in the minority, which I am fine with. I am not a troll, I am a die hard Pats fan. I guess we just have to wait till the playoffs and see what happens.

It isn't about you being in the minority so much as you not making any sense.

You say the defense hasn't played in tight games throughout but they have. You complain that they rely on turnovers too much but they've been forcing a lot of punts the past few weeks as well. And you say teams don't turn the ball over in the playoffs but they clearly do.

We intercept crap QBs, and that's an issue apparently. Sanchez makes bad decisions, so that's our defense's fault. Manning's 3 INTs prove our defense is awful or something. On and on and on...

But I'm sure if they lose in the play-offs, you'll post here to tell us how you knew it all along that our young defense relied too much on turnovers and that's why we lost, no matter what actually happens on the field. And you'll somehow feel vindicated for no real reason whatsoever, as if us not taking this seriously enough is somehow responsible for the loss.

31 teams won't have done enough on offense or defense to win the Super Bowl. We may be the 1 team that does. We may be one of the 31 that doesn't. Bottom line is we're clearly not the worst defense in the league, we continue to improve on the defensive side of the ball, and we've proven we can win a lot of games this way against elite competition.
 
What is more likely? A SB winner and one of the best QBs ever to play the game leading his team to a game winning TD, or a young defense with no playoff experience picking him off?

So this is a playoff scenario, then? Because... well, have you seen Manning in the playoffs lately?
 
Crap. Gary Guyton relied on the turnover again. We're f#&*$&*^ed.
 
Sorry, I posted that before. Aside from that game they havent played in a wire to wire close game

And there's another. Defense held. Played awful all game but found a way to win it at the end. Held them at the goal line for a FG in the 4th which was the difference in the game, then found a way to keep them off the scoreboard.
 
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