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An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec. 6th

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Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Jets fans have blinders on. I think the overconfidence about winning this game is masking the fear they really have. Cherry-picking random stats doesn't translate to anything on the field.

"Well Mark Sanchez is averaging 270 yards a game over the last 5 games." well maybe if you could take care of subpar teams in regulation a lot of those yards aren't ever made. Its a lot easier to have bigger passing stats when you play an extra quarter/have to air it up playing from behind at the end of the game, as opposed to the patriots playing a conservative run offense to kill clock.
 
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Finally I have questions I would like to ask of all Patriot fans out there:

1. Can we all agree that Tom Brady has to play perfectly in order for the Patriots to win games this season? When he hasn't...they've struggled because they're near average everywhere else on the team. Patriot fans are looking at the Sanchez vs Brady match-up to determine who's going to win. But I've demonstrated that not many quarterbacks have done that well vs the Jets this season. Why will Tom Brady have a better shot this time than last time?

In contrast to our 2nd game, we no longer have Moss around. Already in that game, he was no longer an aspect of the offense, and Brady targeted him 7 times for just one completion and two interception which is abysmal, and if you take that away, you have a very different game. At this point in time, our offense is much more spread, and more importantly, our playcalling is much more varied and unpredictable. Our play-calling has been lights out in the past few games, and we have demonstrated a consistent ability to go on clock-eating drives.

2. How will the Patriots get to Sanchez? Patriots have 20 sacks in 11 games, while the Jets have only allowed 19 in 11 games. The Patriots 32nd ranked pass defense says that either you'll have to get after him or you'll give up yardage. Backup Lions QB Shaun Hill passed for 285 yards vs this defense and put up 24 points despite 2 interceptions. That should worry Patriots fans when playing a MUCH better defense in the Jets. The only two times the Jets have lost this season is when they have failed to score touchdowns. What do you expect The Patriot defense to do with regards to the Jets offense in this game?

The first time we played the Jets, our defense was very one-dimensional since we had a new group, and also were starting a few rookies. Over the course of the season, we have succeeded in installing more intricate schemes which have worked effectively. And at this stage, we are seeing much more big plays made when we needed them, and stops occurring when we need them. We have improved in the red zone, whereas the Jets have remained at the bottom. Our run stopping has improved by leaps and bounds, to the point where we are able to dictate what the offense does. I really don't see us having trouble with Greene and LT.

3. Vegas odds put the Patriots as only 3.5 point favorites vs the Jets. Now, anyone who follows and cares about Vegas odds knows that the home field advantage is worth 3 points. So basically bet makers think that the Jets Pats game is a push. DO you agree or disagree? Why? (I know, I know it sounds like an English comp. question)

Vegas is only interested in making money, so to them, the closer a game is to push, the more ideal it is, because they make more money from both sides.

4. Last year in New England, Mark Sachez had 4 interceptions and 1 lost fumble in a 31-14 loss. This year he is much more judicious with the football. I've read some posts that think Mark Sanchez will have 3+ interceptions in this game. But unlike Manning and the Colts, you have to respect the running game of the Jets and cannot always tee off on the quarterback expecting a pass most of the time. If Mark Sanchez plays error free football (no picks, no fumbles) what percentage chance do you think the Patriots have of winning?

I expect Sanchez to play better here than his last year, but he will see new looks on defense, new alignments and disguises and different types of coverages that will keep him off balance. I think that we will go all out in taking away his first read and keeping contain on him so that he doesn't break out of the pocket where he is able to scramble and make plays. I just don't think he is at a position in his career or has the ability to decode or interpret coverages and alignment to stay one step ahead, like Manning would.

Response in bold italics.
 
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Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Patriots record vs a Ryan defense: 0-2


You can swing records around however you want, they are completely situational.



With the Jets alone, the Patriots record is 1-2 vs. a Ryan defense. Including 2004 and 2007, the Pats are 3-2 vs. a Rex Ryan defense. As for your defense, you had better hope that the Jets didn't blow their wad in the Week 2 meeting. Brady is now going to be expecting those looks that they surprised him with in the second week of the season.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

yeah...uh...one more time, eifmp....rationalize ZERO FOR ZORRO, at home, coming off a bye...there's a HUGE black hole in the middle of your Jets Dominant!!!!! treatise...nice waste of bytes though...

as for this SundayJerk character...you've been a member here since 2003? Really...of course it says under your handle 2006...and of course it says 2004 under mine...and of course, I never heard of you in 2004, or 2003, or 2002...oh hell, let's go back to the old Zip's Site and NEP.com days when Ian first began work on Patsfans.com

You are a liar and obviously a troll.
 
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Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

yeah...uh...one more time, eifmp....rationalize ZERO FOR ZORRO, at home, coming off a bye...there's a HUGE black hole in the middle of your Jets Dominant!!!!! treatise...nice waste of bytes though...

as for this SundayJerk character...you've been a member here since 2003? Really...of course it says under your handle 2006...and of course it says 2004 under mine...and of course, I never heard of you in 2004, or 2003, or 2002...oh hell, let's go back to the old Zip's Site and NEP.com days when Ian first began work on Patsfans.com

You are a liar and obviously a troll.
Maybe this SundayJerk character is friends with Aqua4Ever?
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

more likely one of the myriad moderators from J.I. that periodically surf this site and engage in open Patriot bashing like they do and allow at their cesspool...
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Well here I am. Back to answer your question. But first...

I opened the thread with opinions, backed by statistics, and have gotten bashed in some responses. Disappointing.

I just want to mention some things I read in reply to my initial post.

A) I goofed up. I didn't see that the Patriots ran for over 100+ yards vs the Steelers. I didn't purposely overlook it, I just didn't see it.

B) Yes the Jets running game has gone down recently with regards to LT and Greene. The Wildcat/Seminole has been a saving grace in regards to that fact.

C) The Jets have more sacks (24) this season, than they had this time last season. The pass rush/blitz/is still there. Thing about it is the sacks are spread out J.Taylor (4), Calvin Pace (3.5), Sean Ellis (3.5), Bryan Thomas (3), David Harris (2)...and so on. They don't have a pass rushing specialist like a Clay Matthews or a Cameron Wake, but they still get their sacks. Calvin Pace on the edge and big body Trevor Price in the middle will new aspects for the Pats O-line to handle.

And now I respond to the question in bold.

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1) Mark Sanchez & Santonio Holmes chemistry: It's not a surprise that once Holmes and Sanchez became familiar on the field Mark Sanchez passing yards have increased. Before Santonio Holmes, Sanchez passed for a pedestrian 177.8 yards per game. After Holmes' arrival that has increased to 251.6 yards per game...a 73.82 passing YPG increase. And although Sanchez does have 8 interceptions in his last 6 games, for the season he does have a 2:1 TD to interception ratio. Not to mention my no. 2 improvement...

2) Comeback wins: 4th quarter & overtime comeback wins vs. Denver, Houston, Cleveland, & Detroit. What do those 4 teams have in common? Yes, they're all sub .500 teams. But they all (as of right now) are ranked higher than the Patriots pass defense which is last in the league. Mark Sanchez passed for an average of 287 vs those defenses. His teammates have more faith in him now more than ever to lead this team. The Patriot defense does not match-up well with the Jets weapons and Sanchez should be able to pass against this defense with ease.

3) Revis helps the secondary. Since Darrelle Revis has returned to 100% following the bye week, QB's are averaging only a 51.6% completion rate, 205 passing yards, and 1 TD per game vs the Jets. The highest completion percentage & passing yards the Jets have allowed all year were to 1 person, Chad Henne, with 59.1 & 363 respectively. The majority of New England passing yards are after the catch, showing no vertical threat. If the Jets tackle well and prevent YAC, they will significantly improve their chances.

Finally I have questions I would like to ask of all Patriot fans out there:

1. Can we all agree that Tom Brady has to play perfectly in order for the Patriots to win games this season? When he hasn't...they've struggled because they're near average everywhere else on the team. Patriot fans are looking at the Sanchez vs Brady match-up to determine who's going to win. But I've demonstrated that not many quarterbacks have done that well vs the Jets this season. Why will Tom Brady have a better shot this time than last time?

2. How will the Patriots get to Sanchez? Patriots have 20 sacks in 11 games, while the Jets have only allowed 19 in 11 games. The Patriots 32nd ranked pass defense says that either you'll have to get after him or you'll give up yardage. Backup Lions QB Shaun Hill passed for 285 yards vs this defense and put up 24 points despite 2 interceptions. That should worry Patriots fans when playing a MUCH better defense in the Jets. The only two times the Jets have lost this season is when they have failed to score touchdowns. What do you expect The Patriot defense to do with regards to the Jets offense in this game?

3. Vegas odds put the Patriots as only 3.5 point favorites vs the Jets. Now, anyone who follows and cares about Vegas odds knows that the home field advantage is worth 3 points. So basically bet makers think that the Jets Pats game is a push. DO you agree or disagree? Why? (I know, I know it sounds like an English comp. question)

4. Last year in New England, Mark Sachez had 4 interceptions and 1 lost fumble in a 31-14 loss. This year he is much more judicious with the football. I've read some posts that think Mark Sanchez will have 3+ interceptions in this game. But unlike Manning and the Colts, you have to respect the running game of the Jets and cannot always tee off on the quarterback expecting a pass most of the time. If Mark Sanchez plays error free football (no picks, no fumbles) what percentage chance do you think the Patriots have of winning?

Thank you for your time. I've got to get a snack.
damn...the patriots have absolutely no chance in this game. thanks for bringing it out
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Why does Sanchez need to do what Brady did to win the game vs the Steelers? Brady had 350 Yards and 3 TD's. But with the Jets defense being very potent, maybe Sanchez only needs 225 yards and 2TD's. So what you're saying is that Ryan Fitzpatrick can be thisclose to winning vs Pittsburgh, but Sanchez will automatically lose because he's not Tom Brady? What other QB in NFL HISTORY is Tom Brady!?!?!? But a 2nd year QB who cannot compare to the 21st greatest player in NFL history will fail automatically!?!? Again, why does Sanchez have to be Tom Brady? He doesn't! Sanchez does not have to be Tom Brady. He is not now, nor will he ever be, equal or better than Tom Brady. But he doesn't have to be Tom Brady to be successful in the NFL.

The Patriots need Tom Brady to excellent this season for them to win games. The same does not go of Mark Sanchez, they just need him to be good. That's it. It is for this reason that, I think, the Jets are a more complete team than the Patriots. I think too many Patriots fans compare Sanchez to Brady and not the Jets to the Patriots.

As for the Steelers:

The Steelers have the 22nd ranked pass defense in the NFL. And, believe it or not, they are statistically ranked lower than the Jets in scoring average, offensive yards per game, passing yards per game, and rushing yards per game. Better than the Jets huh? I don't think you're objective enough to make that call. The Steelers are 1st in rush defense, the Jets are 4th. Steelers are 3rd in points allowed per game, the Jets are 4th. The Steelers are 5th in yards allowed overall...the Jets are 4th. So if anyone is better, it's the Jets.


Listen, SFBs. When the Pats played the Steelers, the Steelers had the BEST DEFENSE in terms of points allowed. That's fact. I'm sorry you can't get that through your thick skull.

They Jets have played garbage teams. It's easier to put up good defensive stats against garbage teams.

Now, run along. You've proven your a hack and not even semi-sensible.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Elaborate please.

Elaborate? Are you dumb? I replied to your first batch of idiocy and brought things up. You've insisted on ignoring those things. Things that are just as pertinent as ANYTHING you've mentioned. So. Go back and read. Get your facts straight. Something you clearly have issues doing.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

yeah...uh...one more time, eifmp....rationalize ZERO FOR ZORRO, at home, coming off a bye...there's a HUGE black hole in the middle of your Jets Dominant!!!!! treatise...nice waste of bytes though...

as for this SundayJerk character...you've been a member here since 2003? Really...of course it says under your handle 2006...and of course it says 2004 under mine...and of course, I never heard of you in 2004, or 2003, or 2002...oh hell, let's go back to the old Zip's Site and NEP.com days when Ian first began work on Patsfans.com

You are a liar and obviously a troll.

You guys are low grade cheese. Which is really a shame, because there are some really good posters here. You can believe what you choose, of course. I was a member here going back well before the date under my username and, for some reason, had to sign up again in 2006.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

No. All I did with Deus is ask him to justify the term "sucks" he pinned on Matt Slauson in light of a whole gaggle of unsucky stats. So, no, I didn't say that his opinion was garbage. I just asked him for something more. And I think that's fair. I didn't offer much of an opinion at all, except to admit that Slauson IS the weak link on the line.

But, if I popped on here and announced: "I've seen Alge Crumpler in every game, and he sucks because he only has three receptions!" I would immediately have two dozen posters pointing out all sorts of niceties about his role on the team; his leadership; someone might even quote from that nice Globe puff piece of a week or so ago; someone else would point out how he was made a captain. The burden would then be on me to support a bold and bald statement. Getmypoint?

ATippet's just somewhere in left field. I didn't say anything about his opinion being wrong because he had no opinion at all. Just some sort of weirdguy question. He began with "If the Jets are so awesome at every position, then how did they lose two games?" Or some such lunacy. First, I never made the statement underlying his question; and second, well, uh, is that a real question? Whyever would it be?


You're only point is that you aren't bright enough to have a conversation with. You can't be bothered to defend your point of view with actual fact.

Clearly, you are a waste of everyone's time.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

You're only point is that you aren't bright enough to have a conversation with. You can't be bothered to defend your point of view with actual fact.

Clearly, you are a waste of everyone's time.

Heh. Right.

Carry on, brave Concorde.
 
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20 with Matthew Stafford does not equal 24 with Shaun Hill. He's not a scrub, Shaun Hill. Not saying that. Also, Hanson was only in for 2 series. I doubt Shaun Hill would've moved the ball down the field with only 2 series to work with since Stafford only did it 3 times in 12 offensive possesions.

I do note the Patriots passing proficiency. However I also note that the Jets this season have not allowed such proficiency. The Patriots do see have more rushing touchdowns than the Jets. No response to that one.

What you think is irrelevant. Why? Because you've shown yourself to be a typical Jets homer who trolls the Pats boards. You claimed to make your case, yet when the facts were challenged (Pats putting 103 yards on the Steelers, Jennings having 81 yards by himself) you ignore it as if it wasn't there. You ignored everything I mentioned in my original rebuttal to your blathering.

BTW, SFBs, the Jets haven't faced anyone this year who come close to the Pats in their passing game. Especially since it's changed so drastically since week 2. Which is something you seem intent on ignoring.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Heh. Right.

Carry on, brave Concorde.

Coming from the SFBs troll who has brought nothing but blathering to the thread.
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

You did. And, what's more, you illustrated my point perfectly. (ETA: You even posted the Globe puff piece that I said someone would probably post). Couldn't have worked out better. You should take great pride.

Ok, I see you've decided to go the troll route for this game. I'll just go the ignore route. The week's going to be long enough without Jets fans being deliberately obtuse.


Just as a P.S....

The Globe piece was brought in to note that Crumpler was brought for blocking, since you were talking about receptions. In other words, it undercut your argument looking at receptions. You couldn't even troll right with your hand picked example.
 
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You guys are low grade cheese. Which is really a shame, because there are some really good posters here. You can believe what you choose, of course. I was a member here going back well before the date under my username and, for some reason, had to sign up again in 2006.

You're pathetic. You've brought nothing to this thread but base stupidity.
 
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These are the worst kind of threads...
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

Maybe this SundayJerk character is friends with Aqua4Ever?

He's been worth posting with in the past. Unfortunately, it seems that the Jets brief recent success has brought out his inner troll.
 
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These are the worst kind of threads...
Yes, I agree. The problem is that reading comprehension here is hovering around zero.

And it all began with my very daring question where I asked someone to justify saying how a starting guard sucks with something. Anything.

Then, of course, another poster gets all frothy and starts inventing points that I didn't make and asks me to respond to the wholecloth he just knitted. Heady stuff. This is where the reading and basic skills thing really takes off.

And now, this last one, not wanting to be left out of the fun, decides to save his drowning friend, ATippet. Again, basic reading issues abound.

And so here we are. Note where it all started. I'll largely excuse Deus from all this. He was at least trying to make a football point, and yet missing mine.

Carry on. . .
 
Re: An NY Jets fan's opinion (backed by stats) telling why the Jets will prevail Dec.

You act like that's terrible. I don't think anyone has said that the Jets have a better offense than the Patriots (although they do have a higher YPG, but I'll leave that out of it). #10 is not as good as #1, but it's still very respectable, especially with a defense far superior to the Patriots to compliment them.

Listen. If you are going to post, I suggest you know what you are talking about. Clearly you don't. If you had, you'd know I was responding to EIFMP.

The fact that the Pats are 9-2 WHILE rebuilding and while having "the worst passing defense" is proof that the Pats shouldn't be taken as lightly as you or EIFMP are taking them. In fact, it should be proof to you two that the Pats are significantly different than the team you faced in week 2 and are significantly better. Instead, you two and the other bumbling Jets fans who are clueless, think your just going to walk all over the Pats.

Good job rewriting the Patriots have scored more points in a different way.

Actually, it was used to point out that the Pats running game and passing game are a bit more prolific than he was letting on. But you clearly missed that. Which comes from being dumb and jumping into a conversation where you don't understand all that is going on.


Despite what ******ed radio talk show hosts say, the Lions kicker RETURNED TO THE GAME. They actually got a 3 point advantage by getting a TD instead of a FG, and then he returned. The missed PAT made people think that the TD would have been scored if not for the penalty. Missing your kicker for an extra point that wouldn't have even been available if not for the penalty does not compare at all to missing a starting QB and RB for the entire game.


Also, Shaun Hill is still a backup, he is not the #1 Overall pick Matt Stafford. Don't try and compare them to each other.

Jahvid Best was also missing from that game.

2/3 of the Lions most important offensive pieces were missing, including the starting QB.[/QUOTE]

Shaun Hill could start on quite a few teams in this league. You thinking otherwise is just another nail in the "I'm stupid" sign attached to your back.
 
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