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The Offense Is Generally Doing Its Job

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True, especially from upstarts like us See the Stat you posted I hadn't even looked at before. Very informative, jesus look at the Steelers net offensive drives, that cant be good. Um only problem with this data is it doesn't make my team look as good as Im trying to convince everyone we look on defense,lol

If it makes you feel better, just drink some more beer out of your "Super Bowl Champion" mug. That should cheer you up
 
Do you guys really not think that the Patriots offense has been inconsistent? Obviously they have played well, but not well enough to beat a team like the Browns... Or the games where we just didn't show up for 2 quarters.

I'm sure that stats page says your top running back getting 2 yards a carry half the games and 6 yards a carry in the others isn't inconsistent.
 
If it makes you feel better, just drink some more beer out of your "Super Bowl Champion" mug. That should cheer you up

Liver damage is the way of the the south that and good friends and food. I still have the mug convertedpatsfan , good call.
 
Do you guys really not think that the Patriots offense has been inconsistent? Obviously they have played well, but not well enough to beat a team like the Browns... Or the games where we just didn't show up for 2 quarters.

Yesterday, nobody played well, not offense or defense or special teams or coaches.

But overall, I think we've done pretty well. Obviously there have been times we've struggled, and we could certainly improve. But in terms of points, I think the offense has been very consistent when you break it down.

First, we need to understand what we're looking for. In terms of scoring, the average team gets 10 to 13 possessions per game, which can vary dramatically on a lot of different factors. But it's unrealistic to expect huge quarters all the time. Consider that even averaging one TD drive per quarter would tie us with the highest-scoring team in the leaague right now, so that's a bit unrealistic to hope for.

If we assume 12 possessions per game, 3 per quarter, and can score 33% of the time, a mediocre red zone performance of 50% TDs would still be good for 20 points per game (2 TDs, 2 FGs). If we score once per quarter and squeeze in another score somewhere, that's 24 to 27 points, a top-5 performance.

Now look at our season. In games 1, 3, and 6, we had a score in all 4 quarters. In games 4, 5, and 7, we scored in 3 of 4 quarters. All 6 games were wins. Out of those 24 quarters (not including the OT against the Ravens, though it only strengthens these numbers), we scored in 21 of them (87%). Of those 21 quarters with scores, only 2 quarters had 3 points. That means 19 times, or 79% of the quarters, we were able to either score multiple times with FGs or score at least a TD or even better. That's a very consistent offense that doesn't rely on huge quarters or swings of momentum.

Only twice have we failed to score in at least 3 quarters, and no surprise, they were our two losses (two TDs over two quarters vs. the Browns, two TDs in one quarter vs. the Jets).

The 3 and outs are a killer, I admit. And we need to get better at that for TOP and to help out the defense. But in terms of putting points on the board, we've been very consistent about it. When we haven't, we've lost.
 
Sure the offense has been good statistically, but I think they have been pretty inconsistent. Last I checked, there isn't a stat for that.

FO keeps exactly that stat, i.e. "variance". Going into last Sunday, the Patriots offense was 16th in variance, i.e. average:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff

Also amusing to note our offense was 1st in passing DVOA and 2nd in *rushing* DVOA going into Sundays' game. Updated stats should be available late tomorrow and I'm sure we'll move down some...
 
Yesterday, nobody played well, not offense or defense or special teams or coaches.

You know convertedpatsfan, I just have to agree with everything you said. To say the Patriots ALWAYS play this way, is kind of silly. But thats what Im hearing form other fans different from yourself, Ausback,AndyJohnson, Tunes, patiotsfan, inter,goheels, nycpats, and most of the faithful. As you said the Patriots are a really good team.

As an opposing team we see The Patriots as a very good team , if not top #5.

OH, and goheels22002 as per your quote

"That said, if the Pats get the Aints in the Super Bowl, Belicihick will crush you like a grape!"

lol, I swear if we dont beat you, for sure you can bet we will drive your fans insane with the "Who Dat" chant. Your a better team than last year when you made the playoffs. Im guessing your making it this time. I dont think anyone in the NFC can beat our best game, hoping this 2 win streak will start something good.

" That said, cant wait to meet you in Dallas, Where only missing one QB to complete our trophy case
 
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Do you guys really not think that the Patriots offense has been inconsistent? Obviously they have played well, but not well enough to beat a team like the Browns... Or the games where we just didn't show up for 2 quarters.
Every offense is inconsistent.
 
What's missing is that the offense had a distinct moment of change in talent/ability after week 4. The offense was great in the first 4 games (well 3 of the first 4 games) but has been struggling more and more the last 4 games. How much of that is rookie mistakes and/or opposing defenses though we will find out.

The last 4 games the numbers are a lot different, but the one thing the offense is consistently doing well at is protecting the ball. One of Brady's greatest strengths is limiting turnovers, and he has continued to just that all season.
D and special teams contributed more to the first 4 games than the last 4.
We had one poor game in the first 4, and 1 in the second 4.
The offense hasn't missed Moss at all, except for the fans that seem to think we were the 2007 Pats while Moss caught 9 passes in 4 games for less than 35 yards a game/
 
D and special teams contributed more to the first 4 games than the last 4.
We had one poor game in the first 4, and 1 in the second 4.
The offense hasn't missed Moss at all, except for the fans that seem to think we were the 2007 Pats while Moss caught 9 passes in 4 games for less than 35 yards a game/

Nice to see you again Andy, really hope all is well. As always you show up make great points, just wanted to say, hi.
 
D and special teams contributed more to the first 4 games than the last 4.
We had one poor game in the first 4, and 1 in the second 4.
The offense hasn't missed Moss at all, except for the fans that seem to think we were the 2007 Pats while Moss caught 9 passes in 4 games for less than 35 yards a game/

From an offensive standpoint. Calling the Chargers game "not poor" is extremely generous, to the point where it is false.

Since you guys like stats so much, let me throw out some stats from that game: The Chargers possessed the ball for 8 minutes and 50 seconds longer than us. They had 8 more first downs than us, 284 more yards than us, and 2 more yards per play than us. That's all well and good, but we had 4 turn overs - which usually means - we should have more T.o.P, more first downs, more yards, and yeah maybe not necessarily more yards per play. But hey, we came out of that game with more points and I'm not complaining, it was a great win across the country against a good team.

I think the offense has not been consistent. Too many three and outs and too many little mistakes: miscommunication, off-throws, broken protections, the list goes on. The team is young and the players and coaches acknowledge that there are issues, but it is week 9 going on week 10, we are 6-2 with the best head coach in the league. I think we are in good shape.
 
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From an offensive standpoint. Calling the Chargers game "not poor" is extremely generous, to the point where it is false.

Since you guys like stats so much, let me throw out some stats from that game: The Chargers possessed the ball for 8 minutes and 50 seconds longer than us. They had 8 more first downs than us, 284 more yards than us, and 2 more yards per play than us. That's all well and good, but we had 4 turn overs - which usually means - we should have more T.o.P, more first downs, more yards, and yeah maybe not necessarily more yards per play. But hey, we came out of that game with more points and I'm not complaining, it was a great win across the country against a good team.

I think the offense has not been consistent. Too many three and outs and too many little mistakes: miscommunication, off-throws, broken protections, the list goes on. The team is young and the players and coaches acknowledge that there are issues, but it is week 9 going on week 10, we are 6-2 with the best head coach in the league. I think we are in good shape.

If your down playing the offense then explain this to me. I could be wrong by 1 maybe 5 places but to be the top 5 in the NFL is all one can work for.
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I used theses stat last year for this site, and it was pretty accurate. I really think maybe one of the 3 phase is responsible, but not offense. Just my opinion. Just remember no one is doing well or dominating in the NFL this year.
 
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If your down playing the offense then explain this to me. I could be wrong by 1 maybe 5 places but to the top 5 in the NFL.
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I used theses stat last year for this site, and it was pretty accurate. I really think maybe one of the 3 phase is responsible, but not offense. Just my opinion. Just remember no one is doing well or dominate in the NFL this year.

Did you watch the SD vs NE game? I don't know the criteria in which they calculate offensive efficiency, but certainly in the SD game they could not have been very efficient. 4 Turnovers and 23 points? Really? Are you going to sit there and try and refute that?

A pass protection stat based solely on the number of sacks is hilariously stupid. I'm sure you don't watch all the Patriots games because you're a Saints fans (safe assumption?) but Brady has been under some serious fire, especially in the Chargers game.

Look, I'm not down and out on the offense, I have hope and that they can play much better. It is not comforting, and I think it is stupid for fans, coaches, and players to have confidence in a team because some stat says we're the best offense in the league.

I particularly don't like the "NFL is not that good this year" claim. Here's another way to look at it: maybe the NFL is much better this year and much more balanced which makes the games closer and the records less disparaging. Yeah ok, there is no 8-0 or 9-0 team, but there are 21 teams at or above .500, and most of the divisions are very competitive.

I also think all three phases of the game are equally responsible. But this is a thread about the offense, so here I am typing away about the offense.
 
D and special teams contributed more to the first 4 games than the last 4.
We had one poor game in the first 4, and 1 in the second 4.
The offense hasn't missed Moss at all, except for the fans that seem to think we were the 2007 Pats while Moss caught 9 passes in 4 games for less than 35 yards a game/

It's pretty much the opposite, the defense played MUCH better in the last 4 than the first 4. The offense has had a lot more opportunities in the last 4 games than the first 4 games and have done less with them.

Anyone who says the offense doesn't miss Moss at all is either blind or biased. The offense misses Moss in the sense that it misses a legit deep threat that the defense HAD to account for. It's very ignorant of the game of football to suggest otherwise.
 
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