The Offense Is Generally Doing Its Job

[mgteich]

We know that the whole team is scoring points and is #5 in points scored. But let's look at some stats of just the offense.

RUNNING GAME
Yes, it's mediocre, but it isn't terrible. The YPC are #15 at 4.1 for 107 yards per game (also 15th). No team has fewer lost fumbles. These are not terrible stats for our passing team.

PASSING GAME

I've heard rumors that Brady and the passing game are both aweful this year.
Completion % 63.1 #9
Interception % 1.9 #5
QB Rating 93.4 #5
TD % 5.3% #6
Win % 75% #1 (tie)

There must be some relevant stats or analysis that I am missing.

IS THERE ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT?
Sure there is! Brady is running a new offense with four receivers who are either injured or coming back from major injuries. The tight ends are all brand new to the team. The receiving running back is also new to the team.

I expect the offense to do better in the last four games of the season than the last four (or the next four). I expect the offense to be more on the same page. And yes, I hope for some health.

And for you who like to complain our OL, it will continue to be among the best in the league. The OL was having a solid season. The addition of Mankins will make it even better. There should improvement in the play at LT, LG and C. The blocking by our TE's has been excellent.

If we don't make the playoffs, it will not be because our offense a top offense. If we don't make the playoffs, it will be because the offense wasn't GREAT enough to make up for our deficiencies on defense. It is difficult for the offense when we are last in minutes, last is % completions against us and 5th worst in opponent's QB rating. Last I saw, our 3rd down percentage was the worst of any team.

Finally, for those who complain about our OC and offensive playcalling, I used to agree with you. Certainly, in early games the playcalling, schemes, and in-game adjustments seemed pretty aweful. In case we haven't noticed, this has imporved a great deal. Now, when we lose, it is because the players didn't execute. The coaching is more than adequate.

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[CheeseMonkeys]

Sure the offense has been good statistically, but I think they have been pretty inconsistent. Last I checked, there isn't a stat for that.

 

[mgteich]

Yes, there is. It is called win percentage.

Sure the offense has been good statistically, but I think they have been pretty inconsistent. Last I checked, there isn't a stat for that.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Yes, there is. It is called win percentage.

An offense can be mediocre and still get a 12-4 record if the defense is good. So a 12-4 record doesn't automatically mean that the offense is consistent. This thread is about the offense, right?

 

[Water Boy]

Yes, there is. It is called win percentage.

Although Dallas has been pretty consistent this year.

 

[Nikolai]

An offense can be mediocre and still get a 12-4 record if the defense is good.

How would you characterize the defense to this point?

So a 12-4 record doesn't automatically mean that the offense is consistent.

No, but these prognostications that the offense is terrible have no merit either.

 

[mgteich]

Yes, that's quite true. But teh reality is that we don't have a superior defense or even a very good one. What do you think our won-less record would be if we had the worst passing percentage in the league or the rankings on offense that we do one defense. I would expect that our record would be worse than the raiders.

An offense can be mediocre and still get a 12-4 record if the defense is good. So a 12-4 record doesn't automatically mean that the offense is consistent. This thread is about the offense, right?

 

[pherein]

Sure the offense has been good statistically, but I think they have been pretty inconsistent. Last I checked, there isn't a stat for that.

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Just a guess, but in the Saints camp, um you dont equal to lions or suck. Why am on the patriots board convincing them they have a good team? lol Im ******ed.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

No, but these prognostications that the offense is terrible have no merit either.

I was just giving an example. And who said the offense was terrible? I didn't. Nope.

 

[Nikolai]

I was just giving an example. And who said the offense was terrible? I didn't. Nope.

Oh, I know you're not one of those. I just thought it was worth pointing out in the general sense.

 

[Nikolai]

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Just a guess, but in the Saints camp, um you dont equal to lions or suck. Why am on the patriots board convincing them they have a good team? lol Im ******ed.

That's it. I'm going to talk to Payton and see if we can trade a few of our "fans" for you.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Do you guys really not think that the Patriots offense has been inconsistent? Obviously they have played well, but not well enough to beat a team like the Browns... Or the games where we just didn't show up for 2 quarters.

 

[pherein]

That's it. I'm going to talk to Payton and see if we can trade a few of our "fans" for you.

rofl, Nikolai I dont think you could stand the annoying "who Dat" chant, it even bothers us.

Your offense has is much more consistent than ours right now. I see no reason you cant add 3-10 pts on the score we beat them by. And your defense, well blitz. At this point I really think you have a better chance than we did of beating the Steelers.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

The offense is okay right now, could be better but under the circumstances it has done it's job. Not complaining as I'm sure BB did what he had to do, but that's quite clear if you watch what happens when defenses can focus on defending intermediate routes and no deep threat. It's not what it was at the beginning of the year.

That said, we're moving on and I can see the offense improving with Tate's continued progress and hopefully improved health among the other 3 wideouts. Welker and Edelman you have to think are still hampered by their injuries and Branch's hammy seems to be an issue as well. Despite some struggles here and there I haven't been alarmed of it's effectiveness or capabilities, as I remember 2003 and 2004 and how those offenses tended to go into sleep mode during certain stretches also.

 

[pherein]

Do you guys really not think that the Patriots offense has been inconsistent? Obviously they have played well, but not well enough to beat a team like the Browns... Or the games where we just didn't show up for 2 quarters.

Funny I dont think you were saying this before the browns game. I might be out of line here. We are not the brains of the country in N.O. but we know football. N.E. is top #5 in the NFL. I know the game hurt, let it go.

 

[mgteich]

We have a defense that can't get off the field with terrible 3rd down and passing defense stats and of course time of possession.
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Who are you comparing the offense to? Is INDY the great conistent offense or is it PITT? Were you thinking of the JETS?

Sure the offense could be better and more consistent. However, we are 6-2 because of their great efforts. And yes, the offense could have been better yesterday. But the defense couldn't stop anything.

Do you guys really not think that the Patriots offense has been inconsistent? Obviously they have played well, but not well enough to beat a team like the Browns... Or the games where we just didn't show up for 2 quarters.

 

[pherein]

We have a defense that can't get off the field with terrible 3rd down and passing defense stats and of course time of possession.
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Who are you comparing the offense to? Is INDY the great conistent offense or is it PITT? Were you thinking of the JETS?

Sure the offense could be better and more consistent. However, we are 6-2 because of their great efforts. And yes, the offense could have been better yesterday. But the defense couldn't stop anything.

we did a 43% 3rd down completion vs the steelers, I think your offense needs to raise that to 50% for this game. Just a thought , It might keep them off the field.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

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Just a guess, but in the Saints camp, um you dont equal to lions or suck. Why am on the patriots board convincing them they have a good team? lol Im ******ed.

If that's bad, imagine how I feel about some of our fans needing that convincing.

As always, your posts are very helpful. I'd also add this one:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2010 DRIVE STATS

This one measures drive success rates, from points per drive to drive success rate, measured by ability to pick up first downs/TDs. The Pats rank favourably in drive success rate, 2nd to the Colts. However it also shows defensive rankings, as well as the net difference, and we are struggling in both areas.

 

[emoney_33]

What's missing is that the offense had a distinct moment of change in talent/ability after week 4. The offense was great in the first 4 games (well 3 of the first 4 games) but has been struggling more and more the last 4 games. How much of that is rookie mistakes and/or opposing defenses though we will find out.

The last 4 games the numbers are a lot different, but the one thing the offense is consistently doing well at is protecting the ball. One of Brady's greatest strengths is limiting turnovers, and he has continued to just that all season.

 

[pherein]

If that's bad, imagine how I feel about some of our fans needing that convincing.

As always, your posts are very helpful. I'd also add this one:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2010 DRIVE STATS

This one measures drive success rates, from points per drive to drive success rate, measured by ability to pick up first downs/TDs. The Pats rank favourably in drive success rate, 2nd to the Colts. However it also shows defensive rankings, as well as the net difference, and we are struggling in both areas.

True, especially from upstarts like us See the Stat you posted I hadn't even looked at before. Very informative, jesus look at the Steelers net offensive drives, that cant be good. Um only problem with this data is it doesn't make my team look as good as Im trying to convince everyone we look on defense,lol