The Offense Is Generally Doing Its Job

[ATippett56]

Opposing teams are completing passes at a 70% clip and are converting 3rd down more than against any other team in 10 years. We are 32nd in both categories. Putting 8 in the boxd all game and still giving up ove 200 yards rushing speaks for itself.

Salute the defense!

The New England Patriots defense needs to get off the field.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

NFL Stats: by Team Category

 

[BradyManny]

The New England Patriots defense needs to get off the field.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Yup, we are not playing complimentary football right now, at all. But we've gotten away with it. D needs to get off the field and give the offense more possessions so it can get in a rhythm, which will spare the D, which will lead to the D playing better, which gets the O back on the field, and so on and so on and so on.......

 

[emoney_33]

Opposing teams are completing passes at a 70% clip and are converting 3rd down more than against any other team in 10 years. We are 32nd in both categories. Putting 8 in the boxd all game and still giving up ove 200 yards rushing speaks for itself.

Salute the defense!

Are you going to attempt to deny that the defense overall has been better in the last 4 games than the first 4 games?

 

[Ring 6]

Hmm...

BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Upon further review, is it possible the Moss-less offense isn’t so bad? … and links!

Thats what a lot of people with no agenda have been saying.
Now the Moss-loving crowd will explain to us how Mike Tomlins film review that indicates teams are playing us the same as they did with Moss is wrong, flawed, misuguided and how a pro coach watch all 22 can't possibly have a better opinion on this than a Patriot fan watching the game on TV and missing their Randy.

 

[ATippett56]

Yup, we are not playing complimentary football right now, at all. But we've gotten away with it. D needs to get off the field and give the offense more possessions so it can get in a rhythm, which will spare the D, which will lead to the D playing better, which gets the O back on the field, and so on and so on and so on.......

The New England Patriots offense has been completely wretched during the first quarter in the last three games.

 

[Ring 6]

Yup, we are not playing complimentary football right now, at all. But we've gotten away with it. D needs to get off the field and give the offense more possessions so it can get in a rhythm, which will spare the D, which will lead to the D playing better, which gets the O back on the field, and so on and so on and so on.......

I disagree. We are 6-2. That is VERY complementary football when the stats (the meaningless ones that people tend to rely on) would indicate we should be 2-6

 

[ATippett56]

I disagree. We are 6-2. That is VERY complementary football when the stats (the meaningless ones that people tend to rely on) would indicate we should be 2-6

New England Patriots special teams has lead to one victory alone. Turnover differential has been key in a number of games. The Cleveland Browns game illustrates the 2010 New England Patriots need to win the turnover battle while avoiding special teams gaffes.

 

[BradyManny]

I disagree. We are 6-2. That is VERY complementary football when the stats (the meaningless ones that people tend to rely on) would indicate we should be 2-6

Fine, throw stats out the window - look at the game tape. Our offense isn't on the field enough and our defense is on the field too much - the two things hurt each other. We can't just blindly ignore the tape just b/c we're 6-2. We need to improve as a team.

 

[BradyManny]

Hmm...

BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Upon further review, is it possible the Moss-less offense isn’t so bad? … and links!

Those stats are extremely misleading, though.

To remove special teams and defensive points out of the equation, blindly, is a huge mistake and a disservice to the offense - b/c anytime one of those units scores, it deprives the offense of an opportunity to score, thus reducing their scoring output.

One would need to see if our scoring efficiency has dropped since the Moss trade, which I'm guessing it has. We are scoring less per possession, I imagine.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

ST and defense had their worst game of the season last week and it had nothing to do with who the Patriots were lining up at WR or was covering our decoy outside WR... Peyton Hillis ran for almost 200 yards all by himself, and the balance of their yardage on the ground led to the entirety of their TD scoring... And with the exception of the muffed punt all of their scoring was the result of extended drives that limited our offensive TOP to roughly half of the opposing offenses... One of the few extended drives we mustered ended in manner the presence of a different deep threat would not have mitigated....any more than it would have mitigated his earlier gaff on ST.

 

[Ring 6]

Fine, throw stats out the window - look at the game tape. Our offense isn't on the field enough and our defense is on the field too much - the two things hurt each other. We can't just blindly ignore the tape just b/c we're 6-2. We need to improve as a team.

I'm not throwing them out the window.
I am saying that they are exactly an indication that the O, d and s/ts are playing complementary football. The team has been far better than its stats, because it has played good situational football to make the score more favorable than the stats.
Of course there is improvement needed, but the most important and least tangible trait of a championship team is making plays when it matters most. A team that has poor stats and a good w/l record is exhibiting that trait. I would rather have that continue than see statistical improvement and a decline in that trait.

 

[emoney_33]

One would need to see if our scoring efficiency has dropped since the Moss trade, which I'm guessing it has. We are scoring less per possession, I imagine.

It has tremendously. I've already posted the numbers somewhere for just the 3 games (before Cleveland), but our offensive efficiency over the first 4 games was MUCH better than the last 4 games. I forget the numbers but I think it was something like losing 1 point per drive and 2:00 TOP per game. The only constant (thanks Brady) is the low INT rate. The Cleveland game of course only worsens those numbers even further.

ST and defense had their worst game of the season last week and it had nothing to do with who the Patriots were lining up at WR or was covering our decoy outside WR... Peyton Hillis ran for almost 200 yards all by himself, and the balance of their yardage on the ground led to the entirety of their TD scoring... And with the exception of the muffed punt all of their scoring was the result of extended drives that limited our offensive TOP to roughly half of the opposing offenses... One of the few extended drives we mustered ended in manner the presence of a different deep threat would not have mitigated....any more than it would have mitigated his earlier gaff on ST.

Why are you talking about 1 game when that is not even being argued. The Jets game was terrible too but the first 4 game averages are a ton better than the last 4-game averages. The defense was pretty mediocre/poor against the Bills, etc...

The BOTTOM line is that the offense over the last 4 games has seen a very large dip in production/efficiency. Hopefully it's just do to getting acclimated with the heavier reliance on rookies/Branch along with better defenses, but we can't simply ignore the correlation of the Moss trade entirely just because you don't want to hear it. I certainly hope the offense picks back up, obviously never to the 70% levels of the first 4 games, but certainly better than the last 4 games.

Of course there is improvement needed, but the most important and least tangible trait of a championship team is making plays when it matters most. A team that has poor stats and a good w/l record is exhibiting that trait. I would rather have that continue than see statistical improvement and a decline in that trait.

That's no trait, you place too much value on certain statistical relevance to wins/losses. As long as the team continues to win the turnover battle, they are in good shape. Also statistical improvement (i.e. the offense scoring more) is not mutually exclusive with playing situational football and winning. Obviously no one wants to lose more games, but to suggest that the offensive efficiency has been good the last 4 weeks is just wrong. We need the offense to improve in order to have a better chance of winning later in the year and in the playoffs. I'm confident they will.