My take on Moss fans

[BradysBunch12]

The people who are so upset over the trade are of the "He's a freak of nature, who else is going to make those highlight reel catches" mindset. They fell in love with the stripper.

Personally, even if the Pats had went 19-0...I enjoyed watching the 03-04ish Pats much more. It was a balanced attack, and the games were more exciting. You had the feeling the Pats would probably win, but they weren't blowing teams out.

Pats fans became Colts fans...in love with the deep ball. To use a baseball analogy...give me a guy that has a great on base percentage and batting average over a guy that has 40 HRs but bats .250 (cough, Yankees, cough.)

I think Belichick realized that Moss, while a great player, wasn't the missing piece of a championship. I think he also had in mind what he wanted the team to become.

Brady threw for 4,400 yards last year and Moss caught 13 TDs...but it meant nothing as they went 10-6 and got bounced out of the playoffs right away.

Moss was fun to watch, but fantasy football doesn't win championships.

I'm confident the team can play more like it did on Monday night. That was the most satisfying game for me to watch in years.

Do they have the experience to win like that every game? Of course not. But I don't think losing Moss equates to losing more games.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

While true, this is a talent driven league. The Pats early in the decade had a tremendous amount of talent on defense.

By losing Moss, you weaken the greatest strength of the current team: the offense. Like him, love him, hate him, or w/e, Moss is a great talent and makes any offense more explosive/dynamic/better in general. There is no doubt this hurts the Pats offense from a talent stand point.

The key to this team going anywhere this year was Brady and the offense carrying the load and the defense developing into a unit that was good enough to get by with when December/January rolled around. You just significantly zapped some of that offensive firepower we were counting on. Even when he's not catching balls, he has an effect on the game. He forces teams to account for him and opens up the field.

I soured on Moss towards the end of last year when I thought he dogged it and when I realized how easily he gets taken out of games against good physical defenses and physical corners, especially in the playoffs. I've always preferred the Boldin-type of WR, who I see as a more consistent, reliable, physical WR who goes over the middle and who you can go to in the clutch. But there is no doubting Moss' talents and the great effect he had on this offense. It's sad to see him go. It was a great run.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

The people who are so upset over the trade are of the "He's a freak of nature, who else is going to make those highlight reel catches" mindset. They fell in love with the stripper.

Personally, even if the Pats had went 19-0...I enjoyed watching the 03-04ish Pats much more. It was a balanced attack, and the games were more exciting. You had the feeling the Pats would probably win, but they weren't blowing teams out.

Pats fans became Colts fans...in love with the deep ball. To use a baseball analogy...give me a guy that has a great on base percentage and batting average over a guy that has 40 HRs but bats .250 (cough, Yankees, cough.)

I think Belichick realized that Moss, while a great player, wasn't the missing piece of a championship. I think he also had in mind what he wanted the team to become.

Brady threw for 4,400 yards last year and Moss caught 13 TDs...but it meant nothing as they went 10-6 and got bounced out of the playoffs right away.

Moss was fun to watch, but fantasy football doesn't win championships.

I'm confident the team can play more like it did on Monday night. That was the most satisfying game for me to watch in years.

Do they have the experience to win like that every game? Of course not. But I don't think losing Moss equates to losing more games.

1.) You always want great players if you can get them. It has nothing to do with "fell in love with the stripper". It does have something to do with 47 touchdowns in 3 years.

2.) The offense, on Monday, had one touchdown drive and two field goals. Everything else was either a direct, or indirect, product of special teams and defensive scores. Of the 41 points, 28 came off of special teams/defense.

 

[WelshPat]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

Personally, even if the Pats had went 19-0...I enjoyed watching the 03-04ish Pats much more. It was a balanced attack, and the games were more exciting. You had the feeling the Pats would probably win, but they weren't blowing teams out.

You sound like one of those guys who when Matt Cassel was the QB was happy because it was "refreshing" to have close games.

Who am I to tell you what you can and can't like, but I'm much happier when my team is winning by lots of points than when my team has to sneak it out.

 

[WelshPat]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

And btw, I didn't have the feeling the 04 Pats would lose many if any games, that was a dominant football team

 

[BSR]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

2.) The offense, on Monday, had one touchdown drive and two field goals. Everything else was either a direct, or indirect, product of special teams and defensive scores. Of the 41 points, 28 came off of special teams/defense.

If you are going to take away every point that they scored from ST, D or a short field, then you also have to realize that only had 5 true scoring possessions. That 13 points in 5 drives, a rate of 2.6 points per drive, puts them in the top 3 of teams this year in points/drive. If you include that TD off of a short field, because I am sure other teams have some of these, then the would sky rocket to the top. They were very good offensively in the game in the brief opportunities they had.

 

[IllegalContact]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

1.) You always want great players if you can get them. It has nothing to do with "fell in love with the stripper". It does have something to do with 47 touchdowns in 3 years.

2.) The offense, on Monday, had one touchdown drive and two field goals. Everything else was either a direct, or indirect, product of special teams and defensive scores. Of the 41 points, 28 came off of special teams/defense.

#2 included moss, so even with great players, the result is not guaranteed, as moss' patriot postseason stats will tell you.

caldwell did more in 3 games than moss did in 4.....just sayin

 

[Patjew]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

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[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

While I too might have had a Jimmy Carter like fondness for a stripper, as a Moss fan I'm simply happy that he was here. I like the fact that he sincerely wanted to stay here even at the end. Sometimes greatness is like a Greek tragedy, a fatal flaw in the hero prevents his attainment of the goal and destroys him. This was the case with Randy's career as a Patriot. I wish hm the very best Monday and with an exception here and there I wish him a continued HOF career with happiness and peace in his life.

 

[flycessna]

Why is MOSS GONE---- THE ANSWER IS D: ALL OF THE ABOVE!

The people who are so upset over the trade are of the "He's a freak of nature, who else is going to make those highlight reel catches" mindset. They fell in love with the stripper.

Personally, even if the Pats had went 19-0...I enjoyed watching the 03-04ish Pats much more. It was a balanced attack, and the games were more exciting. You had the feeling the Pats would probably win, but they weren't blowing teams out.

Pats fans became Colts fans...in love with the deep ball. To use a baseball analogy...give me a guy that has a great on base percentage and batting average over a guy that has 40 HRs but bats .250 (cough, Yankees, cough.)

I think Belichick realized that Moss, while a great player, wasn't the missing piece of a championship. I think he also had in mind what he wanted the team to become.

Brady threw for 4,400 yards last year and Moss caught 13 TDs...but it meant nothing as they went 10-6 and got bounced out of the playoffs right away.

Moss was fun to watch, but fantasy football doesn't win championships.

I'm confident the team can play more like it did on Monday night. That was the most satisfying game for me to watch in years.

Do they have the experience to win like that every game? Of course not. But I don't think losing Moss equates to losing more games.

Entertaining with some truths but at the end of the day after this thing is beaten to death and everyone has read into it as much as possible I think the answer will be that the team saw more value for what they could get from Moss in a trade now then what they were going to get "out" of him for the rest of the season and then maybe any compenstory pick included later..

And what does all that mean...the answer is D: ALL OF THE ABOVE! They got rid of Moss for ALL those reasons starting to hit the airwaves and NFl networks.

-He has started to slow a bit and we all know belichecks penchent for getting rid of guys the minute they start their slide down hill...

-They were never going to pay this guy so why not get rid of him now and get something for him while at the same time "in a questionable year" getting more guys into the line up who need more game time and see what we have in them...tate/edlemen

-We have a young team and the worse thing for a young team is a self centered freak of nature who going to whine and get worse as the season progress

-50 TD's, many broken records, including an undefeated season and superbowl appearence.... Mission accomplished!?? Did belicheck look back and say WOW! we got as much as we are going to get from this guy...and if he wants to be traded... give him what he wants??

-Its the patriot way! For those who question the patroit way of doing business it didnt "only" include winning ... It's a living beathing machine consistantly changing and growing.. Its risk/reward managed to the Nth dagree! The risk of losing a star wide reciever that drew double coverage most of the time when he wasnt catching td's and allowed your QB to toss it up in the air vs forcing your young team to rise up and WIN other ways building confidence along with opening the door to bring in new talant..

So short of being long winded I just cant beleive there was any ONE reason why they traded Moss..

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

You can't blame Randy Moss for Brady locking in on him, or O'Brien calling sh*tty plays and getting out-coached in most games.

Sure there is a dynamic of elite receivers needing the ball every once in a while, but that is a separate issue from the adjustment problems this team has had since pre-2009.

 

[Brady_12]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

#2 included moss, so even with great players, the result is not guaranteed, as moss' patriot postseason stats will tell you.

caldwell did more in 3 games than moss did in 4.....just sayin

I think I'll take the 3+ year sample over the last game, thanks.

 

[Simkin]

Re: Why is MOSS GONE---- THE ANSWER IS D: ALL OF THE ABOVE!

 

[BelizePats]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

Thanks PatsWickedPissah. You expressed what I had been thinking but was unable to articulate. Nice job!

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

1.) You always want great players if you can get them. It has nothing to do with "fell in love with the stripper". It does have something to do with 47 touchdowns in 3 years.

2.) The offense, on Monday, had one touchdown drive and two field goals. Everything else was either a direct, or indirect, product of special teams and defensive scores. Of the 41 points, 28 came off of special teams/defense.

Yeah, the offense only scored 13 points.....on four drives. With one field goal the result of the player traded dropping a touchdown.

Geesh, is there an unlimited pool of nonsense to draw from?

Special teams/defense accounted for 28 points. If special teams and the defense are scoring 4 TD's, how exactly does the offense get on the field to score?

Second half- One meaningful drive= one touchdown. In fact, the first meaningful, clutch touchdown on the road in years.

Moss is (was) actually my favorite player. However, the offense has moved on. Moss most likely realized this and has forced the trade. Would the Pats had preferred to keep him for the year? Sure, However, evolving the offense away from 2007 means marginalizing Moss which meant no new big contract and no potential big production in his contract year.

 

[IllegalContact]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

I think I'll take the 3+ year sample over the last game, thanks.

I was talking playoffs.

Randy Moss was a waste of time in the playoffs. When everyone else shows up to play playoff football, he withers.

Randy has had some great numbers here, no doubt, but there's nothing to show for it

 

[Patjew]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

Thanks PatsWickedPissah. You expressed what I had been thinking but was unable to articulate. Nice job!

Yeah, that guy is OK sometimes.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

1.) You always want great players if you can get them. It has nothing to do with "fell in love with the stripper". It does have something to do with 47 touchdowns in 3 years.

2.) The offense, on Monday, had one touchdown drive and two field goals. Everything else was either a direct, or indirect, product of special teams and defensive scores. Of the 41 points, 28 came off of special teams/defense.

You always want great players if you can get them and they fit your system and scheme. This was clearly a case of falling in love with the stripper (talent who didn't fit the system and was about to not fit an evolving scheme that was evolving due to diminishing returns).

The offense on Monday had 2 TD drives and two field goals, one of which might have also been a TD had Moss caught the one pass he was targeted for, which as fate has it would have won the game even if the defense and ST had not scored given Miami could only muster 14 points on offense, defense or ST. Not to mention had the Patriots D or ST simply made stops and not scored, the offense would have been in position to score additional points due to field position and TOP.

Moss tried to fit the system, it just wasn't who he is and in the end he just could not bring himself to be a genuine team player. That has sadly been his history. In a contract season when he should have been playing for his next contract, he simply could not focus on anything but his lack of contract. Despite making multiple claims to the contrary. Through the first four games of this season he was clearly yielding diminishing returns, which led to his targets being increasingly limited. He leads the league in drops through the first quarter of this season. Brady is completing 70% of his passes this season, Moss is catching 42% of the passes he is targeted on. Brady has thrown 9 TD passes and 2 INTS, both of which were on passes targeting Moss.

Moss can clearly still make highlight reel plays, he was just making them far less frequently while simultaneously making fewer postive and increasing negative plays. He remained a viable albeit expensive decoy who drew coverage and stretched the field, but public statements to the contrary, after his locker room outburst on Monday night and his demeanor on the plane ride home it was becoming pretty clear he was not going to be willing to simply fill a role going forward. The system motto here which has served this organization well for over a decade now is do your job, whatever coaches and situations dictate that job may be. The goal here is to win football games. The goal for Randy Moss this season was marketing Randy Moss on and off the field in 2010 and beyond.

Moss fans need to accept the fact once and for all that he's a package deal and you get the bad Moss with the good Moss sooner or later. It's fine to admire the talent, but it's folly not to acknowledge the warts in a team game where they all have substantial talent and coaching and scheme and cohesive teamwork and disciplined execution wins championships. If freakish or even collective talent primarily won championships in this league, guys like Randy and TO and Ocho and Peyton and Peppers and Haynesworth and Snyder and Jones and the freakin' Superchargers would dominate the ring counts...as opposed to football fans fantasies.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

Thanks PatsWickedPissah. You expressed what I had been thinking but was unable to articulate. Nice job!

I was simply looking for an excuse to mention strippers

 

[The Brandon Five]

Re: My take on Moss fans.

Yeah, the offense only scored 13 points.....on four drives. With one field goal the result of the player traded dropping a touchdown.

The offense scored 20 points.

Special teams/defense accounted for 28 points. If special teams and the defense are scoring 4 TD's, how exactly does the offense get on the field to score?

No quibble with your point, but ST/defense scored 21 points: Tate TD, Arrington TD and Chung TD.

Second half- One meaningful drive= one touchdown. In fact, the first meaningful, clutch touchdown on the road in years.

I assume you are referring to the Woodhead TD. BJGE also scored a TD after Chung's blocked punt. Are you counting BJGE's TD as a ST score?