Lewis, G. Warren and Pryor

[BPF]

I'm curious. What do you base 'solid vs the run' on? And where was this 'explosion' in actually getting to a QB?
Pryor was a nice story making the team. He played because we had no one else and played just as you would expect a rookie 6th round pick to play; not that well.

Look, I'm not saying he can't progress and make the team. I'm not saying he can't sneak on again like he did last year when Seymour was traded.
But if the 2 former 1st round picks that we brought in to play in his spot have anything left, he is 7th at best among the DL, and we are most likely to keep 6.
I'm sorry if that hurts peoples feelings but 27 players are going to cut.

The other two players being former 1st Rd picks has nothing to do w/where things are now. We are talking present and how these players will perform now and in the future. Pryor is explosive off the ball and has a combo of speed & power. His strengths will allow him to be a solid pass rusher from inside on 3rd down. Everyone complains about lack of pass rush and then we want to cut a kid who after a year in the program has improved on his weakness coming in to the Pats program, learning a new scheme. Not every DL has to be 6-5 310 run stuffer to play in BB's defense. Pryor brings things to the table other DL on this team can't offer.

In terms of the explosion question, I think Pryor showed he is an explosive DL during combine. What he did compares favorably with the 10 DTs in this past draft.

National Football League: NFL Draft 2009 - Myron Pryor

NFL Draft - 2010_DT Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

 

[Ring 6]

The other two players being former 1st Rd picks has nothing to do w/where things are now. We are talking present and how these players will perform now and in the future. Pryor is explosive off the ball and has a combo of speed & power. His strengths will allow him to be a solid pass rusher from inside on 3rd down. Everyone complains about lack of pass rush and then we want to cut a kid who after a year in the program has improved on his weakness coming in to the Pats program, learning a new scheme. Not every DL has to be 6-5 310 run stuffer to play in BB's defense. Pryor brings things to the table other DL on this team can't offer.

In terms of the explosion question, I think Pryor showed he is an explosive DL during combine. What he did compares favorably with the 10 DTs in this past draft.

National Football League: NFL Draft 2009 - Myron Pryor

NFL Draft - 2010_DT Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

I'm confused.
I understand you like the guy. But he wasnt a good pass rusher last year.
However, you are stating that he has improved. How do you know this? I said he needs to in order to stick but wishing it doesnt make it true.

As far as needing a better pass rush and cuttng Pryor, well Pryor was part of that pass rush last year, as everyone keeps saying all of his playing time is the reason he is a lock. You can't have it both ways. Can't say we need to improve the pass rush then say the guy who was out there being unsuccessful is the improvement.

Combine stats? I think we are beyond that.
BTW, how are combine stats relevant but where a player was drafted not?

 

[Ring 6]

BB could give two sh*** about what round someone was drafted. Seems posters are so caught up with name recognition and what round someone was drafted. Last year Pryor made the squad and played some games. Thats more than I can say for most other rookies in the NFL. Many argue that he didn't play very well....what do you expect from a rookie? He played better than Brace who was drafted in the 2nd round. Every argues that Pryor only played because of the injuries to the other DE's. Well that may be true to an extent but you have to realize BB trusted him over bringing in some veterans last year.

The draft position is only valid in that it is a gauge of their raw ability. The fact that they were #1 picks AND have been starters in the NFL for most of 9 years gives an insight to their ability.

If BB showed he trusted Pryor last year by not bringing in veterans, does bringing in 2 STARTING veterans prove he doesnt trust him?
These are NFL starter caliber guys.
Hey I hope Pryor beats them both out because that will mean he is better, but that isnt happening unless he has made dramatic leaps of improvement from last year. Thats all.

 

[crowell33]

The draft position is only valid in that it is a gauge of their raw ability. The fact that they were #1 picks AND have been starters in the NFL for most of 9 years gives an insight to their ability.

If BB showed he trusted Pryor last year by not bringing in veterans, does bringing in 2 STARTING veterans prove he doesnt trust him?
These are NFL starter caliber guys.
Hey I hope Pryor beats them both out because that will mean he is better, but that isnt happening unless he has made dramatic leaps of improvement from last year. Thats all.

Hate on Pryor all day long if you like. He's a lock for the 2010 Patriots roster.

 

[Ring 6]

Hate on Pryor all day long if you like. He's a lock for the 2010 Patriots roster.

I'm not hating on him.
Tell me what is hating, what you disagree with?

-He was on the bubble last year and made the team because we traded Seymour. Would have made the ps if we hadnt though.
-He got the majority of his playing time when he was the only viable active backup at his position due to injuries. i.e. like most end of the roster players, he played when needed due to others being unavailable
-His playing time decreased at the end of the season
-He wasn't terribly effective when he did play, about as effective as you'd expect a rookie who was the last guy on the depth chart at his position to be

I don't think your opinion of who is a lock carries any more weight than anyone else who posts here.

 

[patchick]

Andy, don't you think Cassel got the job over Davey based on potential, not because he was the better game 1 QB option? He was spectacularly raw, there's no way you would have chosen to play him in a meaningful situation over the guy who'd been in the system for years.

So in theory, that should have made Cassel the ideal practice squad candidate. A late-7th pick who wasn't close to being able to contribute in the NFL, but who showed long-term promise. But common wisdom at the time was that Norm Chow was ready to snap Cassel up, and a promising young QB is too valuable a commodity to risk.

IOW, the scenario we're talking about -- a rookie beating out a player who would contribute more on the 53, because the team doesn't want to risk losing his rights -- is just part of the process of balancing short and long term rewards. In fact, it happens regularly with higher draft picks. With those guys, we just call it "giving him time to develop."

Not really though. Cassell's roster spot wasn't a gift.
Granted QBs are a bit different because who knows what you get out of them as a rookie, but the only other backup QB on the team in MCs rookie year was Flutie and in year 2 he was the #2.

I think you are selling him short to say he didnt earn his spot.

Certainly rookies can get the benefit of the doubt because they are rookies, but thats not really what we are saying.

The topic, as I understand it is:
If we have a guy who wouldn't make the cut, but we would like to add to practice squad and other teams may be interested in the player, do we cut someone else and put this guy on the 53 to keep him out of their hands.
Its backward to me. You dont build the practice squad then build the roster, you build the roster then add what you can onto the ps.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

One example does not make it common.

Nor did I imply that it is definitively going to happen.

My point is simply that we have seen this happen before, so we can't dismiss the possibility of it happening again.

 

[LasVegasPatsFan]

The draft position is only valid in that it is a gauge of their raw ability.

1st Rounders: Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Chad Jackson, Vernon Gholston, all said "HI"

I guess these guys don't/didn't have raw abilities: Tom Brady, Wes Welker, Adam Vinatieri, Terrell Davis, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, John Randall.

 

[jah]

1st Rounders: Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Chad Jackson, Vernon Gholston, all said "HI"

I guess these guys don't/didn't have raw abilities: Tom Brady, Wes Welker, Adam Vinatieri, Terrell Davis, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, John Randall.

Jackson was actually an early 2nd

 

[AzPatsFan]

History doesnt make decisions.
Ok, so he played 264 reg season snaps. Thats about 17 a game.
But the majority of those came while other players were injured and there weren't many options.
199 of those snaps came from week 3 to week 10.
After that he had only snaps in the last 6 games.
I dont think a guy making the team and playing 264 snaps is any guarantee of his future. I do think that not playing much at all as the season wore on is not a good sign.
In the 2 games he played the most snaps (which was over 30% of his season) we only had 4 active DL.
The year before when we had all the same guys PLUS Richard Seymour, LeKevin Smith played 174 snaps, and that didn't turn out to be a great endorsement.

I understand he was good enough to make the team.
But the playing time he received is hardly a rousing success story.

Id love to see him stick around but we lost 1 veteran and brought in 2. I don't see which of the other 4 returning DL would get cut instead of him.

No we lost two, Seymour and Greene and replaced None, so two vet FA were signed.

 

[Nunchucks]

These battles tend to work themselves out in camp because somebody almost always gets hurt.

 

[lillestroom]

These battles tend to work themselves out in camp because somebody almost always gets hurt.

Sad, but true.

Which is why I can see Marques Murrell making the squad. Every Jets fan I've talked to descrives him as "Piss Poor", which says it all. Someone will get injured and he'll get the nod because of his "special teams prowess"