Content Post Where have all the b1tchers gone?

[Jackson 2]

A lot of people that were complaining (myself included) about the lack of improvement during the offseason before the draft because we didn't want to see a repeat of last season. And yes, even Bill makes mistakes sometimes so we thought we were seeing a big one this year. Complaining about things like that doesn't mean you're less of a fan than someone who never sees faults with the organization.

Believe me, I complain a lot when complaining is warranted and it is, at times, with every organization in pro sports. I'm referring to people (and there are plenty of them on this board) who complain about every move, non-move, sideways glance, perceived slight etc., etc. If you're implying that I never see fault with the organization, you're dead wrong. My larger take is that we should be GD grateful that this owner owns this team, that this coach coaches this team and that we have who we have in other positions of authority. See, I go way, way, way back. My father took me to the first Pats' game ever in 1960. I was a season ticket holder in the '70s and saw O.J. Simpson run for 7 million yards on us in one game. I was at the Houston/Pats play-off game in the late '70s after Chuck (Lame Duck) Fairbanks was fired and we lost to a team whose asses we should have kicked from here to Galveston. I went to the Pats first SB in NOLA and saw us get killed by Chicago (it's ironic that Ditka hates BB for running up the score, yet he let the Fridge run for a touchdown when the Bears were up about 150 to 10 in that game). I saw this team for decades when they were the laughing stock, not just of the NFL, but of the entire pro sports world. So, if I appreciate what we have now, even with the "warts", please forgive me (and this rant).

 

[DarrylS]

Lastly, once again PATS missed opportunities to pick up good veteran talent at discount prices...like Lendale White for a 5th...


This draft has changed nothing...Patriots will be a third place team next year

The great unknown here is that the Pats may or may not have been involved, so continue to assume.. while in reality you know little about the behind the scenes jockeying going on...

Never met so many whiners in my life, things are good folks and have gotten better.. not a lot of shiny beads, but lots of quality, leadership and depth.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I noticed you didn't bother to actually address his points, so I will ask you" is it possible for the team to make any moves which disappoint you?

Uhhh yes

I have already "pre countered"

They were posted Friday.

Naturally, the points are way over your head.

I would seriously address "captian stone", personally. However, my Bozo the Clown suit is at the dry cleaners so my presentation would not be right.

Your time would be better spent sitting in the corner in the oval room. Take Hey Bro with you. He can find the way.

 

[DarrylS]

Believe me, I complain a lot when complaining is warranted and it is, at times, with every organization in pro sports. I'm referring to people (and there are plenty of them on this board) who complain about every move, non-move, sideways glance, perceived slight etc., etc. If you're implying that I never see fault with the organization, you're dead wrong. My larger take is that we should be GD grateful that this owner owns this team, that this coach coaches this team and that we have who we have in other positions of authority. See, I go way, way, way back. My father took me to the first Pats' game ever in 1960. I was a season ticket holder in the '70s and saw O.J. Simpson run for 7 million yards on us in one game. I was at the Houston/Pats play-off game in the late '70s after Chuck (Lame Duck) Fairbanks was fired and we lost to a team whose asses we should have kicked from here to Galveston. I went to the Pats first SB in NOLA and saw us get killed by Chicago (it's ironic that Ditka hates BB for running up the score, yet he let the Fridge run for a touchdown when the Bears were up about 150 to 10 in that game). I saw this team for decades when they were the laughing stock, not just of the NFL, but of the entire pro sports world. So, if I appreciate what we have now, even with the "warts", please forgive me (and this rant).

As we appear to be contemporaries, never had the luxury of going to games when younger, so I had to listen to them on the radio as TV was perennially blacked out.. I appreciate so much what Mr. Kraft and BB has brought to this franchise.. in September we will field a quality team that will compete for the next 17 weeks.. and then hit the playoffs again.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

after the first round, as an outspoken critic of current team actions, I decided to wait until more of the draft was completed to see what it looked like. I did not like the mccourty pick.....for the position, not the player.....that said, not sure if there was a good need-based pick at the time

I had gronkowski pegged in my mock.......and the package deal for spikes and cunningham was average value.

there is nothing special about this draft....it looks to be OK, but nothing more right now......cunninghame and spikes will help LB depth, but not sure if they are going to make the unit all that much better.

price is a project and won't make a difference any time soon.....a mediocre route runner with marginal hands and little special teams value ain't exactly what the pats needed.....

the 2 OL's drafted late are a couple of pretty nasty guys and should do well in development

Classic example of the buffoonary here.

Notice this clown thinks he can make definitive judgements on a MAC receiver. Mr Kraft should can the draft section. tanked, Hey Bro, captian stone,....... can do all the scouting.

tanked

What's higher- Your hours spent studying film of MAC receivers or your IQ?

 

[Deus Irae]

PJ...thats pretty big of you to "lay low" while legitimate BB critics are out here raising valid points.

You have to be out of your mind (which maybe you are) if you think this draft will change the Patriots descent into third place and mediocrity.
This draft class is a C+ at best and is being wildly overrrated on this board.

Certainly other drafts with less to work with have been better than this group of questionable picks. Other than the 2 TEs...this group of picks is pretty weak and when you think of all the incredible talent passed over...in a few years you will be looking back at this draft as a missed opportunity.


Lastly, once again PATS missed opportunities to pick up good veteran talent at discount prices...like Lendale White for a 5th...


This draft has changed nothing...Patriots will be a third place team next year

Thanks for your input. We appreciate the perspective that you, as a Jets fan, bring to this board.

 

[Fencer]

6. Can we all act like men?

I don't know why PatChick would want to.

 

[Snake Eyes]

Thanks for your input. We appreciate the perspective that you, as a Jets fan, bring to this board.

Ok, so if they don't completely ballwash everything BB does they're a Jets fan?

 

[RayClay]

The great unknown here is that the Pats may or may not have been involved, so continue to assume.. while in reality you know little about the behind the scenes jockeying going on...

Never met so many whiners in my life, things are good folks and have gotten better.. not a lot of shiny beads, but lots of quality, leadership and depth.

The Jets troll wants us to sign a tub of lard. Must be thinking of his fearless leader.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok, so if they don't completely ballwash everything BB does they're a Jets fan?

:bricks:

Yes, that's exactly it. For the past 15 months, I've been the biggest Patriots homer on the internet. I'm all about shining Belichick's shoes rather than trying for honest and objective appraisal.

 

[Rob0729]

Ok, so if they don't completely ballwash everything BB does they're a Jets fan?

Ramon is a Jets fans pretending to be a Pats fan. There is a difference.

The Pats could have drafted Ndamuka Suh, Gerald McCoy, and Eric Berry with their three compensatory seventh round draft picks and Ramon would have blasted the Pats for reaching for those players and they are bad value where the Pats drafted them.

Besides, in defense of Deus, he has been very critical of the Pats himself for things like trading away Seymour. So if he was just calling anyone who doesn't ballwash BB, he would call himself a Jets fan.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Classic example of the buffoonary here.

Notice this clown thinks he can make definitive judgements on a MAC receiver. Mr Kraft should can the draft section. tanked, Hey Bro, captian stone,....... can do all the scouting.

tanked

What's higher- Your hours spent studying film of MAC receivers or your IQ?

that's OK, homer......I understand

now run along

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Homers vs. B1tchers XXXXV
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[Kontradiction]

Ramon sounds like a nervous Jet fan to me.

 

[Rob0729]

Those are all pretty good points. I would thing BB could find a role for a pass rusher as good as Freeney, don't you? Last yer the team seemed to do a lot more reacting that reading. You named a lot guys I didn't think they should have passed over, but time will tell. Yeah a lot of guys don't fit the Pats system, but what if the criteria is too narrow? Thomas looks like a perfect fit on paper, but in reality not so much.

Part of the frustration with the DB pick is that the Pats have been drafting DBs for the last 4 years without a lot of results. It's a here we go again moment.

I don't think for a second that I know a fraction of what BB knows about football, but that doesn't mean I check my opinions at the door.

The criticism is a lot less, because the second round looks pretty good and as usual trading the 3rd round pick for a 2 next year is a master stroke. So yeah, things look better today.

First, who ever said Hughes is as good as Freeney or ever will be? Just because Polian drafted him doesn't mean he will ever be remotely as good as either Freeney or Mathis. Polian has had several first round busts/disapointments in recent years like Addai (strong start, but has become mediocre in recent years), Tony Ugoh (or Uh! Oh! as I like to call him), and Donald Brown (still has a chance to turn it around, but couldn't win the starting role from a mediocre Addai).

Second, there is no guarantee Freeney would be nearly as good in the Pats defense. The Colts like himm run hog wild. I don't know if is disciplined enough to to play in a read and react, gap control defense like the Pats run.

Third, drafting McCourty is a clear admission that some of the draft picks in the past at the position haven't worked out, but if Belichick truly believes the guy is the next Revis as he stated, why should he hide the fact that a guy like Wheatley hasn't worked out? I am not judging this draft based on the quality of other drafts. I think Wheatley fell apart after his injury. I think Wilhite is decent depth, but not a starter. I think Butler can compete for a starter position, but the jury is still out. Even if I say all three players are busts, I don't know if it says anything about this year's draft.

Fourth, I think the chances to the league have changed the priorities. The Jets showed last year that with not a great front seven (they were great in positions, but had several weak links and couldn't pressure the QB without blitzing) that they can have an elite defense if you have a CB who can be left on an island to free up an extra rusher or two. Also, teams are in dimes and nickels so much that teams tend to have three CBs on the field much more than they have two.

Lastly, maybe Belichick felt a bigger problem with the pass rush had to do with the guy calling the plays and not the personnel. It seems quite clear that Dean Pees was shown the door. I felt he called the game timid and put the defense back on their heels rather than being agressive. Maybe Belichick agrees. Maybe Belichick wants to build up the secondary so that he can do what the Jets do and blitz on a regular basis.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Ok, so if they don't completely ballwash everything BB does they're a Jets fan?

Get a grip. Deus has been a vocal contrarian these past few months when it comes to Belichick's moves.

 

[stcjones]

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I was one of the *****ers, and I'm still here, haven't gone anywhere, went to a party, so wasn't around to discuss rounds 2 and 3. And people who think those who *****, aren't Pat's fans are sorely mistaken. I've been a huge Pats fan since 1975. We ***** due to the fact that we WANT the Pats to succeed and WANT the Pats to draft great players to make the Pats champions again. And I know I know I have been negative about the Pat's drafting in the past, but it has been warrented, when you draft ONE Pro Bowl player in the last 5 years, your drafting prowess can be questioned. The record speaks for itself, BB has not drafted well these last 5 years, quite often trying to be the mad scientist by trying to outsmart the NFL, only to wind up outsmarting himself, and failing terribly in the draft. 50-60 some odd draft picks tosince 2004, and only ONE Pro Bowl/all star quality player, I don't think I need to prove my point anymore.

That being said, I liked what they did in day 2, though once again, the moves can be questioned. I loved the Gronk pick, but, he has injury questions, and, do the Pats ever use the TE as a weapon ? Will he be fast enough to get open ? On a team that actually throws to a TE, this guy can be a beast, but on the Pats ? Hopefully he becomes the next Ben Coates.

Jermaine Cunningham, once again, was he a reach like Mccorty ? With other more talented players who play his position still on the board, did we get good value with this pick ? I like his size/speed ratio, but that's only IF he can make that transition to OLB. I think he was a reach, and the worst pick of day 2, hopefully I'm wrong, but history has not been kind to BB with this kind of reach.

Brandon Spikes, I loved this pick. He's a tackling machine, slot him next to Mayo (if Spikes earns it), and we Ypshould be set for years at ILB. BUT, this kids 40 time is done with a freaking sun dial. He's another big IF. Oddly enough, if he had come out last year, he would have been a first round pick, but his senior year hurt him. We shall see.

Taylor Price, once again, I'm sure he's a nice kid, has decent size and speed, but were better receivers there at that time ? Yes there were. Was this a reach ? Some had him rated no higher than a 4th round pick. Most had him rated 5th to 6th round. So I'm not so high on this pick.

Now we come to trading for 2011 picks. My question is, will there even be a 2011 draft ? Will there be a 2011 season ? It's kinda risky to do with so many question marks. Is trading a 3rd round pick in a very deep draft for a 2nd round pick in a much weaker draft a smart move ? We shall see.

So there ya go, I give this draft a C rating so far. Did we address needs and holes we have, yeah, did we pick the right players for theses needs ? Hopefully the past doesn't repeat itself, BB's drafts have been terrible. Hopefully these guys pan out, but obviously I think they could have done better.

now here is the first REALISTIC post on the draft and BB approach to it the op on the other hand is more "homeristic" (hey made a new word there......) spikes was a good signing...the rest have a lot of potential....and yes, we did a good job stockpiling more picks for 2011...which we will probably trade away for picks in 2012.......
Overall draft grade. C+

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Classic example of the buffoonary here.

Notice this clown thinks he can make definitive judgements on a MAC receiver. Mr Kraft should can the draft section. tanked, Hey Bro, captian stone,....... can do all the scouting.

tanked

What's higher- Your hours spent studying film of MAC receivers or your IQ?

Uhhh yes

I have already "pre countered"

They were posted Friday.

Naturally, the points are way over your head.

I would seriously address "captian stone", personally. However, my Bozo the Clown suit is at the dry cleaners so my presentation would not be right.

Your time would be better spent sitting in the corner in the oval room. Take Hey Bro with you. He can find the way.

Once again you add nothing to this message board other than insulting people. For once, why don't you actually counter people's arguments. Seriously, why do you even waste you time on here?

 

[signbabybrady]

PJ...thats pretty big of you to "lay low" while legitimate BB critics are out here raising valid points.

You have to be out of your mind (which maybe you are) if you think this draft will change the Patriots descent into third place and mediocrity.
This draft class is a C+ at best and is being wildly overrrated on this board.

Certainly other drafts with less to work with have been better than this group of questionable picks. Other than the 2 TEs...this group of picks is pretty weak and when you think of all the incredible talent passed over...in a few years you will be looking back at this draft as a missed opportunity.


Lastly, once again PATS missed opportunities to pick up good veteran talent at discount prices...like Lendale White for a 5th...


This draft has changed nothing...Patriots will be a third place team next year

Maybe you can talk to us when your jets actually beat the patriots in a game that matters?? Or when you actually win a divison during the season and not before it starts?

 

[TriplecHamp]

Homers vs. B1tchers XXXXV
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