Lombardi: The Jets want Brandon Marshall

[tanked_as_usual]

cutler really is not much better than orton...and theyre both pretty average

I would take brady quinn over either of them :rocker:

 

[DaBruinz]

Cutler's biggest issue is that his prissy prima donna attitude without the resume to support it.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Not sure if anyone has posted this Schefter tweet:

RT @judybattista: One more Jets tidbit: I'm told that the rumors about them going after Brandon Marshall "have no legs."

Adam Schefter (Adam_Schefter) on Twitter

They did, but apparently getting this thread back on track trumps reality...

 

[Rob0729]

Not sure if anyone has posted this Schefter tweet:

RT @judybattista: One more Jets tidbit: I'm told that the rumors about them going after Brandon Marshall "have no legs."

Adam Schefter (Adam_Schefter) on Twitter

With all the people they need to resign in the next year or so, it really didn't make any sense that they would go after a WR who is looking for $10 million a year. There are only so many players you can have on your team that can be amoung the top paid players and within a year, they will have Revis, Ferguson, and Mangold... and possibly Harris. And Revis and Ferguson are at positions that get paid a lot if you are at the top of the pay scale.

 

[HarkDawg]

Brandon only makes sense if you view him as a Moss replacement.



I want the PATS to rebuild/ add to the D. Marshall does not fit into my reconstruction plans.

 

[patman12]

Cutler's biggest issue is that his prissy prima donna attitude without the resume to support it.

That and the fact that he continually forces throws into blanket covererage to make big plays instead of taking what defenses give him.

 

[Grizzafted]

Brandon only makes sense if you view him as a Moss replacement.



I want the PATS to rebuild/ add to the D. Marshall does not fit into my reconstruction plans.

I just don't understand this mentality. I think we all recognize that Randy is closer to the end than he is even to the middle of his career. I don't think he's completely done, but the issue is that he'll still expect to be paid as a top-3 receiver after this year, despite his age making that kind of cost a bad value.

So, presumably in 10 months or so, the Patriots will be losing Randy Moss. At that point, who is our number one receiver? We don't have anyone who can fill that space, so you'd hope to hit on someone in the draft this year. So we'd probably spend a top-two round pick on a WR anyway, so why not send a 1st for someone who we KNOW can be a pro bowl-caliber wideout. Forget the character issues, the guy can play football. I think the Patriots culture has proven that it can provide a professional environment for people, and playing with Brady will give him a good foundation to be productive and successful. He's worth what we're paying Moss. He can catch 15-20 TD's. Why on earth wouldn't he be worth 9 mill? That gives you SO much flexibility with the rest of the WR corps. You can sign and find 2nd and 3rd WRs without too much difficulty, its the number one guy that's hard.

Are we really going to resign Brady to playing the end of his career without a Moss or Rice? If you agree that Moss' playing days are numbered, why not give up that draft pick for someone who is almost guaranteed to be a pro bowl player? Are his personality issues THAT bad? I don't trust locker room culture in Denver the way I do in NE.

I think if we don't run at Marshall, we're going to have a lot more '06-type years at WR after this one. What about 2011...Edelman, a slower Welker, and some kid we draft in the 2nd round this year?

Someone has to explain to me why this ISN'T a good idea instead of why it IS.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

IAre we really going to resign Brady to playing the end of his career without a Moss or Rice?

The 2001, 2003 and 2004 Brady led SB winning teams say Hi!

 

[Jangles]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Great

If the Jets can sign him how can the Pats not working something out to get him?

Stupid FO is stupid

 

[The_Riddler]

The 2001, 2003 and 2004 Brady led SB winning teams say Hi!

And so don't the great defenses and tremendous luck that occurred during that time period, they also say hi.............

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

And so don't the great defenses and tremendous luck that occurred during that time period, they also say hi.............

Yes, luck & D were key in 2001.
Not that luck completely departed thereafter but a core of talented, hard working "blue collar, lunchpail" type players made the Patriots reign happen. There was a predominance of leadership, intelligence and character that enabled the sum of the 53, including some below NFL par players to achieve great wins. Short memoried Pats fans forget the lament of Pats fanboys during those 2002-4 years, whining that the national media repeatedly blathered that the Pats did not have the talent. They did. It just wasn't recognized as such in the mindless frenzy over stat boys and 'pure' athletes. Not the Patriot way.

Now fans want to chase the next hot babe (Marshall, etc.) forgeting that it's a mindless bimbo that looks good untill it's yours.

 

[Grizzafted]

yes and the 2006, should have won a 4th super bowl but for the absence of a reliable #1 receiver, patriots team, also says hello. besides, you don't make 11 catches for 133 yards in a super bowl by being a slouch.

these arguments go in circles. i think the pieces are in place for another top 5 defensive unit, especially if we hit on this year's draft, but it's not enough of a certainty that you want to imagine life with an average defense AND a sh!tty WR/RB corps. we've already assumed a 10 mil/yr receiver into the budget, why not make sure we have a pro bowl guy in the wings ready to take over for Moss next year.

look at marshall's stats. i know he's not the best guy off the field, but people do grow up. and he's caught over 100 balls every year since he became a starter... there's no way he wouldn't be a beast in NE. I also think that playing with Brady would change his football mentality quite a bit. but I trust BB's player evaluation acumen for the most part, so if he doesn't come here it's probably because he sees him as a guy who literally can't be rehabbed...

 

[Grizzafted]

ya a guy who averaged over 100 catches a year and is probably the best RAC receiver in football is a "bimbo who looks good until he's yours..." :rolleyes

 

[The_Riddler]

Yes, luck & D were key in 2001.
Not that luck completely departed thereafter but a core of talented, hard working "blue collar, lunchpail" type players made the Patriots reign happen. There was a predominance of leadership, intelligence and character that enabled the sum of the 53, including some below NFL par players to achieve great wins. Short memoried Pats fans forget the lament of Pats fanboys during those 2002-4 years, whining that the national media repeatedly blathered that the Pats did not have the talent. They did. It just wasn't recognized as such in the mindless frenzy over stat boys and 'pure' athletes. Not the Patriot way.

Now fans want to chase the next hot babe (Marshall, etc.) forgeting that it's a mindless bimbo that looks good untill it's yours.

Ah, another one, still living in the past............

Note to self: Never assume things are the same as they were 6 years ago, we no longer have that veteran defense that came together on and off the field back in 03/04, that isn't here anymore.

What we do have now is a young defense, that in all reality is probably about 2-3 years away from that 04 level. In the meantime, what we do have is the top QB in football, so let's leverage that, and give him another threat opposite Moss so that Tom and us loyal fans don't have to witness the crap we saw last year with Moss getting quadruple covered and the other side of the field not even being a damn option.

 

[Yfz01]

I just don't understand this mentality. I think we all recognize that Randy is closer to the end than he is even to the middle of his career. I don't think he's completely done, but the issue is that he'll still expect to be paid as a top-3 receiver after this year, despite his age making that kind of cost a bad value.

So, presumably in 10 months or so, the Patriots will be losing Randy Moss. At that point, who is our number one receiver? We don't have anyone who can fill that space, so you'd hope to hit on someone in the draft this year. So we'd probably spend a top-two round pick on a WR anyway, so why not send a 1st for someone who we KNOW can be a pro bowl-caliber wideout. Forget the character issues, the guy can play football. I think the Patriots culture has proven that it can provide a professional environment for people, and playing with Brady will give him a good foundation to be productive and successful. He's worth what we're paying Moss. He can catch 15-20 TD's. Why on earth wouldn't he be worth 9 mill? That gives you SO much flexibility with the rest of the WR corps. You can sign and find 2nd and 3rd WRs without too much difficulty, its the number one guy that's hard.

Are we really going to resign Brady to playing the end of his career without a Moss or Rice? If you agree that Moss' playing days are numbered, why not give up that draft pick for someone who is almost guaranteed to be a pro bowl player? Are his personality issues THAT bad? I don't trust locker room culture in Denver the way I do in NE.

I think if we don't run at Marshall, we're going to have a lot more '06-type years at WR after this one. What about 2011...Edelman, a slower Welker, and some kid we draft in the 2nd round this year?

Someone has to explain to me why this ISN'T a good idea instead of why it IS.

Those bolded parts are crazy. Who says Marshall can be a 15-20 TD a year player? And there is no way Welker is faster then Edelman.

 

[Aßßynormal]

With all the people they need to resign in the next year or so, it really didn't make any sense that they would go after a WR who is looking for $10 million a year. There are only so many players you can have on your team that can be amoung the top paid players and within a year, they will have Revis, Ferguson, and Mangold... and possibly Harris. And Revis and Ferguson are at positions that get paid a lot if you are at the top of the pay scale.

You would assume they extend them in an uncapped year, to frontload as much cost as allowed. They'll pay big money in a capped year, for each, otherwise.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I just don't understand this mentality. I think we all recognize that Randy is closer to the end than he is even to the middle of his career. I don't think he's completely done, but the issue is that he'll still expect to be paid as a top-3 receiver after this year, despite his age making that kind of cost a bad value.

So, presumably in 10 months or so, the Patriots will be losing Randy Moss. At that point, who is our number one receiver? We don't have anyone who can fill that space, so you'd hope to hit on someone in the draft this year. So we'd probably spend a top-two round pick on a WR anyway, so why not send a 1st for someone who we KNOW can be a pro bowl-caliber wideout. Forget the character issues, the guy can play football. I think the Patriots culture has proven that it can provide a professional environment for people, and playing with Brady will give him a good foundation to be productive and successful. He's worth what we're paying Moss. He can catch 15-20 TD's. Why on earth wouldn't he be worth 9 mill? That gives you SO much flexibility with the rest of the WR corps. You can sign and find 2nd and 3rd WRs without too much difficulty, its the number one guy that's hard.

Are we really going to resign Brady to playing the end of his career without a Moss or Rice? If you agree that Moss' playing days are numbered, why not give up that draft pick for someone who is almost guaranteed to be a pro bowl player? Are his personality issues THAT bad? I don't trust locker room culture in Denver the way I do in NE.

I think if we don't run at Marshall, we're going to have a lot more '06-type years at WR after this one. What about 2011...Edelman, a slower Welker, and some kid we draft in the 2nd round this year?

Someone has to explain to me why this ISN'T a good idea instead of why it IS.

Because we don't have that team that can handle character issues any more and we've tried winning in the first half of Brady's career with and without a top tier WR and guess what, we won more when we didn't have one and the money can be better spent on rebuilding the kind of defense and chatacter those teams had. That is what Brady wants to be surrounded with. Not guys he can't trust to show up when the chips are down.

In '06 we made it to the AFCC game with freakin' Reche Caldwell as the #1 and Jabar Gaffney signed off the street as the #2. If that's the worst that happens to this team going forward, I can deal with it. If spending $10M on a diva WR with issues gets me one game farther, I'll pass and spend that money on OL and DL instead and just find Brady some hard nosed football players to throw the ball to. Because I believe in the long run that will get them farther. The reason you draft and develop your own stars is value. Paying a #1 and $10M per for Brandon Marshall wouldn't be a smart move even if he wasn't a character concern. Which is probably why no one is signing him to an offer sheet or even offering Denver something less in trade. If Denver wanted to retain him they would have put the higher tender on him. They want value for him because Josh is also retooling a defense and rebuilding a culture in his locker room and there is no place for him in that mix. And that is something he learned from the guy who got rid of a diva called "She" back in 2001 when we had no WR's beyond an undervalued slot receiver and some UDFA JAG named Patten and a friggin' bowling ball TE who never made a play unless it mattered...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Ah, another one, still living in the past............

Note to self: Never assume things are the same as they were 6 years ago, we no longer have that veteran defense that came together on and off the field back in 03/04, that isn't here anymore.

What we do have now is a young defense, that in all reality is probably about 2-3 years away from that 04 level. In the meantime, what we do have is the top QB in football, so let's leverage that, and give him another threat opposite Moss so that Tom and us loyal fans don't have to witness the crap we saw last year with Moss getting quadruple covered and the other side of the field not even being a damn option.

Oh, jeez...now it was only quadruple teams stopping Moss...

 

[muzz]

Oh, jeez...now it was only quadruple teams stopping Moss...

Revis says Hi

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Ah, another one, still living in the past............

Note to self: Never assume things are the same as they were 6 years ago, we no longer have that veteran defense that came together on and off the field back in 03/04, that isn't here anymore.

What we do have now is a young defense, that in all reality is probably about 2-3 years away from that 04 level. In the meantime, what we do have is the top QB in football, so let's leverage that, and give him another threat opposite Moss so that Tom and us loyal fans don't have to witness the crap we saw last year with Moss getting quadruple covered and the other side of the field not even being a damn option.

Vs one living in the fanboy football of 2007, a season that as December played on it became apparent that fantasy football had a big fat Achilles heel.

The "top QB in football" has shown us 3 times that he does not need stats wideouts to win rings. Sorry you missed those seasons. Of course we need WR help, just not a locker room cancer and not a prima. Spend the effort protecting The Franchise and continuing to add to that young D.