Lombardi: The Jets want Brandon Marshall

[FoxboroFlyer]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Greene is going to be just as capable?!? Are you sure? The guy has yet to show that he can run the ball 25-30 games for an entire season. Washington may be gone.

As for their o-line, it is good, but it doesn't trump a great RB. Also, both Faneca (33) and Woody (will be 33 this season) are pretty old and could start to break down.


The Jets are not going to trade for Marshall and also trade for Edawrds last year and only to ask Sanchez to throw 19 times or less a game. It seems that if they are going after Marshall, they aren't sure if their running game will be nearly as dominant. They will likely air it out much more. You don't trade for a WR with elite talent and try to run a balanced system. Especially in today's NFL.

BTW,

Believe it or not even Sanchez can throw a 5 yard slant to Marshall, so yeah ok it may mean a little less running, but at the same time I feel these short passes are even more effective than a running game if you have the right WR (Marshall, Edwards, Cotchery, Smith)

 

[Gunnails]

Even the Almighty Marshall needs a QB that can get him the ball, and last I looked The Jesters don't have one of those.

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If you believe that then you need to check out some tape on Sanchez.

As in this.

YouTube - Sanchez to Edwards TD pass

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

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It is possible you are over valueing T Jones.

I say that because look what he did in 07 behind a poor Jets O line.

If nothing else, T Jones stayed on the field, I agree that S Greene may not be able to stay healthy with an increased work load.

In the end I also agree the Jets success comes down to how the Sanchise develops. Adding a top 5 receiver would have to help with that assuming they don't lose Cotchery.

So he had 1100 yards behind a bad o-line and you are saying I am undervaluing him. He has had 1,100 yards or more five straight years and he has been with the Jets only three. Four of those years he had over 1200 yards and three of them were over 1300.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Greene is going to be just as capable?!? Are you sure? The guy has yet to show that he can run the ball 25-30 games for an entire season. Washington may be gone.

As for their o-line, it is good, but it doesn't trump a great RB. Also, both Faneca (33) and Woody (will be 33 this season) are pretty old and could start to break down.


The Jets are not going to trade for Marshall and also trade for Edawrds last year and only to ask Sanchez to throw 19 times or less a game. It seems that if they are going after Marshall, they aren't sure if their running game will be nearly as dominant. They will likely air it out much more. You don't trade for a WR with elite talent and try to run a balanced system. Especially in today's NFL.

BTW, are having an identity crisis as a Jets fan? Pretend to a Pats fan to compliment the Jets organization in one post and then call the Jets offense "we" in this post. You Jets trolls are too dumb for your own good. At least man up and show you are a Jets fan.

Wow you are slow, aren't you? Where exactly did I say we in reguards to the Jets? The only time I used we was when I said "we" meaning the patriots had a tough time with the Jets last year as a run 1st team. Maybe you need to learn to read before posting such moronic comments.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Believe it or not even Sanchez can throw a 5 yard slant to Marshall, so yeah ok it may mean a little less running, but at the same time I feel these short passes are even more effective than a running game if you have the right WR (Marshall, Edwards, Cotchery, Smith)

Except 5 yard slants is not why you get Brandon Marshall. If they are looking for a receiver for 5 yard slants, why give up what you would give up for Marshall? His weakness is short routes and his strengths are intermediate to deep passes. So you are basically advocating buying a Ferrarri when you need a SUV.

 

[vyrago]

Hats off to your organization if you guys pull this off. Although many here fail to see the significance of this move a few do, and realize it spells tough times ahead for the Pats. Even if you guys have to give up Harris, is there any doubt that Ryan will find, and develope another LB to take his place? From all appearances he has most certainly over taken BB as the true defensive masterminf.

And what proves that? Surely it can't be the last game the teams played against each other wherein the poor, undercoached Patriots managed to hang 33 points on that genius defense?

 

[BostonPatriot]

All of you who are writing of Sanchez and acting like the Jets are no big deal might be in for a surprise next season.

I'd expect as much from blind homers.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Except 5 yard slants is not why you get Brandon Marshall. If they are looking for a receiver for 5 yard slants, why give up what you would give up for Marshall? His weakness is short routes and his strengths are intermediate to deep passes. So you are basically advocating buying a Ferrarri when you need a SUV.

Brandon Marshall is one of the most physical WR's in the league. Last time I checked that exactly how the Broncos used him last year. Short routes. All about the YAC, and he knows how to get those yards.

 

[makoute]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

I hope a trade goes through. That means the Jets will ask Sanchez to air it out. As we saw last year, when they ask Sanchez to air it our his favorite receiver is.... The CB from the opposing team.

Did Ryan and Schottenheimer forget that the only reason they went deep into the playoffs is because they changed their offensive strategy and they took the ball out of Sanchez's hands and allowed them to pick and choose when he threw it with a heavy dose of running. Sanchez was effective because teams stopped pressuring him because they were so concerned about the run. He has yet to show that he can carry the Jets offense (hence why he has a 2-8 record when he throws 20 times or more in a game).

So there's no possibility for Sanchez to get better, even if he would have better offensive players around him?

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Wow you are slow, aren't you? Where exactly did I say we in reguards to the Jets? The only time I used we was when I said "we" meaning the patriots had a tough time with the Jets last year as a run 1st team. Maybe you need to learn to read before posting such moronic comments.

LOL! "We" did? In the first game, the Pats shut down the Jets offense except for one drive in the 3rd quarter. In the second game, the Pats defense turned over the ball six times. In two games vs. the Jets, the Pats defense gave up 23 points (the Jets scored another TD on a block punt in the second game) or a 11.5 point average, only gave up two TDs to the Jets offense, and 221 rushing yards (110.5 rushing yards per game average). Exactly how have the Pats had problems with the Jets run first offense.

Before you say someone moronic, you should stop being moronic yourself. The Pats did not have any problem with the Jets' run first offense. In fact, they did a good job of shutting it down. The reason the Pats weren't 2-0 vs. the Jets this year was the Pats' offense.

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Except the Jets lost their lead running back who had over 1,400 yards. I love how people talk about trhe Jets running game when they lost their lead RB.

The fact is Sanchez is prone to make a lot of msitakes. The way they maintained it in the playoffs was to take the ball out of his hands. He is great if they have him throw 15 times a game where the defense isn't expecting the pass and he can trick them with playaction. With the loss of Thomas Jones and an addition of Brandon Marshall, they would likely abandon that strategy.

The Jets are formidable if they can pound the ball 30-40 times a games and Sanchez picks and chooses his spots. The Jets are vunerable if they ask Sanchez to air it out because I think he has trouble seeing the field especially with his height. We don't know if Shonn Greene is capable of getting 1,400 yards and we don't know if the Jets are capable of winning with Sanchez throwing 25-30 times a game.

Also the comparisons between Orton and Sanchez, Sanchez has more potential, but he also has a far greater tendence for making costly mistakes. Orton may be average, but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes.

Thomas Jones lost his starting job in the playoffs to Greene for a reason. Jones looked slow and old at the end of the season last year. Greene has not shown he can carry the load, but he's shown he is a good back. That's why the Jets want LT, so they don't have to smack Greene with 25+ carries a game. They can also add someone later in the draft if they want, and they still have Leon Washington. The Jets o-line is so good almost anyone can run behind it.

The addition of Marshall will not have the Jets "abandon" their philosophy. That's really a ridiculous statement. Will the Ravens now abandon their philosophy because they added Boldin? In no way, shape, or form does it mean the Jets would be asking Sanchez to run a Patriots/Colts type of offense just because they have Marhsall.

You act like Sanchez is a bum; he's a first round pick and has a lot of talent. He had some rough patches as a rookie, but he showed flashes of what he can do in 09, and will most likely improve a decent amount in 2010.

People just want to make excuses to make themselves feel good. There is no way you can spin the Jets getting Marshall into a negative thing for the Jets. He is a top 5 WR in the league and would greatly help Sanchez. Braylon drops the ball a few too many times, but he'd be a very good #2 WR for them, with Cotchery a solid #3. Peyton Manning also made a ton of mistakes in his rookie season. I guess he's a bum too.

Try looking at it with some objectivity.

 

[Gunnails]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

So he had 1100 yards behind a bad o-line and you are saying I am undervaluing him. He has had 1,100 yards or more five straight years and he has been with the Jets only three. Four of those years he had over 1200 yards and three of them were over 1300.

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1100 yards and 1 TD, with a lot of carries.

No I am not saying you are over valuing TJ, just that it mite be possible that you are.

I respect your oppinions to much to flat out say you are wrong on this.

 

[SyN65]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

So there's no possibility for Sanchez to get better, even if he would have better offensive players around him?

According to some people on this forum, if a rookie QB doesn't win the SB in their first year starting they're apparently a bust.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Brandon Marshall is one of the most physical WR's in the league. Last time I checked that exactly how the Broncos used him last year. Short routes. All about the YAC, and he knows how to get those yards.

BOy, you really need to learn a little about football before you post. In the short passing game, you gotta run precise routes and make people miss you. Neither are Marshall's strengths. Besides, Marshall out muscling a 200lb CB is different than outmuscling a 240lb LB.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

LOL! "We" did? In the first game, the Pats shut down the Jets offense except for one drive in the 3rd quarter. In the second game, the Pats defense turned over the ball six times. In two games vs. the Jets, the Pats defense gave up 23 points (the Jets scored another TD on a block punt in the second game) or a 11.5 point average, only gave up two TDs to the Jets offense, and 221 rushing yards (110.5 rushing yards per game average). Exactly how have the Pats had problems with the Jets run first offense.

Before you say someone moronic, you should stop being moronic yourself. The Pats did not have any problem with the Jets' run first offense. In fact, they did a good job of shutting it down. The reason the Pats wer
en't 2-0 vs. the Jets this year was the Pats' offense.

You're right, Rob! Here we go, 16-0 next season!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Jets will go 2-14 and they won't challenge the Patriots at all. Infact, I'd expect them to lose by 100 points each time they play.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

BOy, you really need to learn a little about football before you post. In the short passing game, you gotta run precise routes and make people miss you. Neither are Marshall's strengths. Besides, Marshall out muscling a 200lb CB is different than outmuscling a 240lb LB.

Right again, Rob!

Brandon Marshall? Pfffft, that guy SUCKS. You're totally right about him not being able to outmuscle a 240 pound LB or out-compete said player for the ball!!! Short passing game? HA! Marshall WISHES he could be as effective as a stud like Julian Edlemen in the short game.

Marshall is not one of the best wr's in the NFL, because in the short passing game he gets shut down by LB's like GARY FREAKING GUYTON. I mean honestly, the guy isn't even that good.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Maybe they'll offer Gholston, Jenkins, and or Cotchery and a late pick. They can offer quality players that really won't hurt their team.

The Broncos just signed Jamal Williams, making Jenkins a redundancy, and the other players you mention aren't going to cut it. Unless every member of the Broncos organization is a functional idiot (and I don't believe that to be the case), there's not a chance in hell that a deal would get done using only the pieces you list here.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

According to some people on this forum, if a rookie QB doesn't win the SB in their first year starting they're apparently a bust.

its the same people who thinks its way too early to call brace a bust

 

[iapatsfan]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

Hate to say this, but if they get him, the division is theirs to lose.

As a Pat's fan, it's tough for me to say this, but the division is already theirs to lose. The fact is the Jet's roster, at this point, is simply more talented than the Pat's. I really thought we would make a major point to turn over some of this roster this offseason, but that does not seem to be the case. As they currently stand, the Pat's will have a below avg offense and an avg D. This team has suffered from the aging of their core, while drafting poorly for several seasons. As a result, it is time for a serious re-build. I think re-signing Wilfork and Bodden was fine, but we still have a serious shortage of talent on this roster. How are the Pats going to move the ball next season? This is an honest question. One serious threat at WR (who can be taken away by a double team), an OL that seems to have the inability to run block, no TE and no serious threat at RB. While the Jets seem to have the perfect D to shut down the Pats (especially without Welker) and a powerful OL and running game as well, the Pats do not even have a hint of a pass rushing threat on their roster. Sanchez has a year under his belt, several WR options to throw to (even more if they get Marshall), a solid OL/ground game and a D that can compensate for mistakes he may still make. This draft is crucial to us continuing to be contenders in the next few years. I think next year will be rough (8-8ish), but if we can finally have a good draft we should be able to bounce back decently in 2011. With the expiration of some large contracts, we should have some financial flexibility to bring in some talented free agents as well.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Re: Lombardi...The Jets want Brandon Marshall

its the same people who thinks its way too early to call brace a bust

Rob was just telling me how Brandon Marshall would have trouble "out muscleing" 240 lb's like Gary Guyton!!! I'm sure Marshall wouldn't catch any passes when facing the defensive juggernaut that is Gary Guyton.