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The average ranking (using your numbers) is 16.8. There are 32 teams, so the average of the NFL would equal 16.5.
The argument that the defensive rating are off because of a lack of quality opponents is not supported. The rankings are actually as accurate as could be, not affected by quality of opponnent in either direction.
The idea that we did worst against good offenses? Duh. Thats why they are good and the bad ones are bad.
I think you are looking for meaning where it doesnt exist.
We were an above average defenses (somewhere from 5th-11th depending on your metric) that faced on average the typical NFL offense, and did very well against the poor ones, well against the average ones, and not so well against the good ones. Just as would be expected.

Do you expect a defense to do better against good teams than bad?

According to footballoutsiders DVOA, the defense was ranked 13. The variance was ranked 30th (3rd least consistent defense in the NFL) which makes sense. As we all saw watching the defense was up and down all year going through growing pains.

There's a lot of talent on defense and with more experience the consistency will improve. I see this defense trending upwards towards elite levels in the next 1-2 years.
 
Lets play this game for a moment:
WR - moss....good
TE - ????
LOT - light/vollmer....good
LOG - mankins .... good
C - koppen.....good
ROG - neal....old/injury prone....need someone who can play for when he is out
ROT - kaczur/vollmer....good
RB - maroney is the most reliable the pats have...not good
WR/TE/FB - ????
WR - welker ????
QB - brady....good

LDE - warren....good
NT - wilfork....good
RDE - ?????
LOLB - ????
LILB - mayo.....good
RILB - guyton....not good
ROLB - TBC.....not good
CB - bodden....good
S - meriweather.....good
S - chung/sanders.....good
CB - butler......good

you could easily say that 9 out of 22 positions are either empty or need an upgrade...to claim that welker(injury), maroney/taylor/morris, neal(injury), guyton, TBC are of sufficient quality for a team expecting to perform at a high level is unrealistic.

so the expectation at this point is that those positions will either remain status quo, will be filled by a rookie, or be filled by someone else's reject......it is a fair conclusion to say that this team is now a couple of years away......maybe the front office will prove the naysayers wrong by filling those spots very well and the pats will once again rule the division.....but right now, you have to go all the way back to 2000 to see a more incomplete roster

My turn

WR - moss....good
TE - ????
LOT - light/vollmer....good
LOG - mankins .... good
C - koppen.....good
ROG - neal....good old/injury prone....need someone who can play for when he is out I thought Connelly filled in adequately and we have Bussey too
ROT - kaczur/vollmer....good
RB - maroney is the most reliable the pats have...not good I agree here but more for the future than for just this season Maroney, Taylor, Morris could give you enough A La Antoine Smith
WR/TE/FB - Edelman, Don't use the TE that much so not a big problem, use the FB even less
WR - welker ???? certainly a question mark but IMO he will be back do it should be filled with an average player like Reed and shouldn't have had a Boldin thrown at it. Any problem with WR is more a future one with Moss in his final year Moss Edelman Tate is fine to start the season and Welker will be back even if everyone is to afraid to admit it.
QB - brady....good

LDE - warren....good
NT - wilfork....great
RDE - Wright (not every position will be ideally filled and wright has a role that can be complemented)
LOLB - ???? Thomas is still on the team but for obvious reasons I will leave the question marks
LILB - mayo.....great
RILB - guyton....OK (not every position will be ideally filled and Guyton has a role that can be complemented and is still improving) not to mention McKenzie
ROLB - TBC.....good (How you can say not good is ridiculous the guy produces and there is a reason he got the contract he did)
CB - bodden....good
S - meriweather.....good
S - chung/sanders.....good
CB - butler......good

So by count that is 5 needs with two of the 5 needs being at TE and FB two positions that we don't utilize that much. And I also think that people look back at those 3 Championship teams and forget that those teams had holes too. Antoine Smith at RB, the RT spot was a revolving door, CBs were decent other than Law and even he was IRed for one of the titles, and many others too.

No team will ever be flawless and this team has as much talent if not more than any one of those 3 championship teams. The chemistry that those teams had was clearly missing last year but it could gel better this year and if it does than they will be competing for a SB regardless of what moves are to come.
 
My turn

WR - moss....good
TE - ????
LOT - light/vollmer....good
LOG - mankins .... good
C - koppen.....good
ROG - neal....good old/injury prone....need someone who can play for when he is out I thought Connelly filled in adequately and we have Bussey too
ROT - kaczur/vollmer....good
RB - maroney is the most reliable the pats have...not good I agree here but more for the future than for just this season Maroney, Taylor, Morris could give you enough A La Antoine Smith
WR/TE/FB - Edelman, Don't use the TE that much so not a big problem, use the FB even less
WR - welker ???? certainly a question mark but IMO he will be back do it should be filled with an average player like Reed and shouldn't have had a Boldin thrown at it. Any problem with WR is more a future one with Moss in his final year Moss Edelman Tate is fine to start the season and Welker will be back even if everyone is to afraid to admit it.
QB - brady....good

LDE - warren....good
NT - wilfork....great
RDE - Wright (not every position will be ideally filled and wright has a role that can be complemented)
LOLB - ???? Thomas is still on the team but for obvious reasons I will leave the question marks
LILB - mayo.....great
RILB - guyton....OK (not every position will be ideally filled and Guyton has a role that can be complemented and is still improving) not to mention McKenzie
ROLB - TBC.....good (How you can say not good is ridiculous the guy produces and there is a reason he got the contract he did)
CB - bodden....good
S - meriweather.....good
S - chung/sanders.....good
CB - butler......good

So by count that is 5 needs with two of the 5 needs being at TE and FB two positions that we don't utilize that much. And I also think that people look back at those 3 Championship teams and forget that those teams had holes too. Antoine Smith at RB, the RT spot was a revolving door, CBs were decent other than Law and even he was IRed for one of the titles, and many others too.

No team will ever be flawless and this team has as much talent if not more than any one of those 3 championship teams. The chemistry that those teams had was clearly missing last year but it could gel better this year and if it does than they will be competing for a SB regardless of what moves are to come.

so you need to fill the 5 needs and you roughly have the same team you had last year although you will not replace welker in this scheme and the odds are much stronger that he is not ready at the start of the year. so you replace him with edelman who is productive, but the offense obviously suffered severely both times he replaced welker.....

I can understand the optimism........but to say:

No team will ever be flawless and this team has as much talent if not more than any one of those 3 championship teams.

is just a little ridiculous......no, its very ridiculous.......the LB's are an absolute disaster compared to those 3 teams, the OL is the same, the QB is the same, the mass sum of the WR you can argue either way......there are no TE's, and the RB's are jsut as weak if not weaker.

I guess you see what you want to see
 
There are some good points but the I still think the Pats are in more trouble than people think.
FACT - our defense last season WAS NOT horrible. In fact it was very decent. It ranked FIFTH in scoring (the most important defensive stat) and 11th over all.

Stats are meanlingless and majority of people on this board that think the Pats defense stinks are going by what they see on the field. You know the defense is bad when your dad, who rarely watches football, makes a comment on how bad the Pats defense is. Granted, I thought their defense would be a heck of a lot worse going into the season if they couldn't generate a pass rush but they really overachieved. Also, who knew the offense would be the reason they would lose the majority of their games? However, this defense needs better players.

The perception that the defense is horrible comes from the fact due to all the Polian rules changes...pretty much ALL defenses have been rendered "horrible". We just have to look at the 30+ points second half the Colts threw up on the #1 defense in the league in the AFCCG.

While the Polian rule changes is a good point, it's nobody's fault but the Pats that they haven't made adjustments. Their defense worked in the past because they were able to beat up WR's past 5 yards and by the time the QB was able to make a read, he was pressured in throwing a incomplete pass, pick or sacked.

MYTH - The Jets signing Antonio Cromartie makes their secondary the best in
the league, with TWO shut down CBs.

I agree. However he might have a "pro bowl season" because all the balls get thrown to him instead of Revis.


Myth - the Signing of Karlos Dansby drastically improves the Miami defense.

I agree. He's not the impact player people think he is. In fact, he's just a bigger version of Mayo.

MYTH- According to the media, this team has more holes in its roster than ever before.

They don't have as many holes as 2000, but with Welker's injury, Seymour and Green's departure and questions marks from their last two drafts, they have a lot of holes.

FACT- REALLY?????? Lets check it out, even before the draft where we have 4 picks in the first 53 in the deepest draft in recent memory.
Don't know what this has to do with holes on a roster.

OL - This is very good OL - Talented and DEEP... they brought the entire band back. I challenge anyone to find a hole, with Koppen who is decent, the only guy you are likely to want to upgrade...down the road

Some of your guys are having a hard time understanding what the term "depth" means on a NFL roster. "Depth" means that a team's back up has the ability to start with little or no drop off of play. The Pats have that at LT with Vollmer but nowhere else. If the Pats had "depth", Kaczur and Koppen wouldn't be starting.

RB - Well here you might get into an arguement, but with Maroney Taylor, Morris, and Faulk (assumption) The Pats may be old at the position, but they have enough TALENT there to have a good running attack....especially in an offense that isn't geared to run first.

Morris and Taylor need to be cut and get replacements through the draft or FA.

WR - Now this is really where there are holes in the roster. However it is also the position that is the EASIEST to fill. There are simply MORE people on the planet who have WR skills than say QB or DL. We made it to the AFCCG with Jabar, Reche, and a fading Troy Brown. I think we will be fine with Moss, Welker, Edelman, and whomever else we sign/draft to fill in. BTW-Brandon Tate was supposed to be a first round talent before he got hurt. How come no one in the media mentions him when talking about WRs.

Sorry to burst fans of Bradon Tate's bubble, but don't expect anything from him this season, if ever. With Moss getting older and Welker's injury, WR is a big need. Wouldn't surpise me if they took a WR with one of their 2nd round picks.

DL - Jarvis Green and his 3 sacks over the last 2 years is gone. I'm thrilled he got another pay day. He deserved it. However he had already been surpassed by Mike White, and the promising Myron Pryor is coming back, along with the "unpromising" Ron Brace, who will hopefully benefit from a full off season in the strength progam. However this is an area where I wouldn't be surprised if one of the "big 4 draft picks" is used for a DLman.

I don't understand how Green deserved a pay day but the Pats need to calm down with the early picks on DL. Like you said, the NFL is becoming a "passing league" and the Pats haven't been able to consistantly stop the pass for the last few years. These early picks need to be used on pass rushers.

ILB - Surpisingly, I think we are pretty much set here with Mayo, Guyton, and McKenzie, along with the other usual suspects, FAs, and draft picks. ILB isn't a 3 down position anymore, so its not like we need much more than what we have.

It would nice to have a bruising ILB like Bart Scott to compliment Mayo and Guyton. The Pats seem to have a lot of finese guys at ILB.

OLB - The other position of concern - Here's what I don't understand. We act like we are the ONLY team in the league that needs to improve our pass rush. Do people know that we actually had MORE sacks than the Jets last season. EVERY team needs to improve their pass rush. Its the nature of the game now.

This area has sucked for the past 5 years. There's no excuse. When they were riding high after their 3rd super bowl in 2004, this was a team with few holes. As the trend continues, the Pats milk everything they can from their players until they are done. Then they scramble to find replacements "Junior Seau", "Derrick Burgess", "Galloway", "Taylor" and others to cover up how poorly they've drafted in the past few years.

Also I'd suggest as required reading, Andy Johnson's post on TBC and his production. Tully doesn't have the "name", yet per this post, his production and efficiency ranked with the best in the league. It also was enlightening is pointing out how effective teams are in pass blocking since even the BEST guys in the league were averaging only ONE effective pass rush (sack, pressure, hit or blk) every 10 throws. Kind of makes you wonder about the competitive fairness of the current game.

TBC was the only player that consistantly showed up from the front 7.

So while I do expect the Pats to resign Burgess, I also expect them to address the pass rush issue in the first 2 rounds as well. There seems to be a very good crop of "Tweeners" his year. If we don't know all their names today, we certainly will over the next 6 weeks.

I certainly hope they don't re-sign Burgess.

DBs - With the resigning of Boddin our DBs are settling in as becoming a strength of the defense. we are set at S with Merriweather, Chung, McGowan, and Sanders. We are getting better at CB with Wheatly coming back, and Butler and Wilhite with another year of experience. I also expect to see a DB among those picked in the top 4. I'm hoping we resign Springs, because we need another "big" CB for GL situations. Maybe that's the thought for the draft.

If they are a "strength" of the defense, it just goes to show how bad this defense really is. Sorry, but their secondary still doesn't scare anybody.

So in conclusion. Are we a finished team yet, OF COURSE NOT. However the sturm and drang wringing of the hands BS I've seen on this board is ridiculous, almost to be the point of being embarrassing.

If they continue to draft they way they've drafted, they won't win another super bowl with Brady as their QB.
 
Stats are meanlingless and majority of people on this board that think the Pats defense stinks are going by what they see on the field. You know the defense is bad when your dad, who rarely watches football, makes a comment on how bad the Pats defense is. Granted, I thought their defense would be a heck of a lot worse going into the season if they couldn't generate a pass rush but they really overachieved. Also, who knew the offense would be the reason they would lose the majority of their games? However, this defense needs better players.

Stats are NOT meaningless at all.

People need to learn that just because YOU interpret a certain stat the wrong way doesn't mean the stat is "meaningless" or lying.

Stats do show that the 2009 defense was very average and extremely inconsistent.
 
BTW, I just personally feel that Belichick deserves my and every Pats' fan's benefit of the doubt and trust. We are talking about a failure of a year where the Pats had 10 wins and won the division. We complain about the failure of the last five years when the Pats won 4 division titles, never won less than 10 games in a season, went to two conference championships, went to one Super Bowl, and won 18 straight games in a season. We are just a spoiled bunch of fans.

It's too bad very few fans remember '91, which I do. Anyone who complains about winning the division should watch a few games from '91 or even from the Sullivan era.
 
There are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics. What I take from this thread is that we are a good team right now, not great. It takes greatness to win superbowls. I want TB to win 5 superbowls. The odds of that happening are slipping away, unfortunately.
 
Good post as always.

I agree about the defense. They get a very bad rap around here because they aren't what we had in '03/'04 but for a defense that was completely rebuilt I can't be mad at their performance last year. Not saying they don't need some work but last year was overall encouraging.

Perhaps the point I'm trying to make that keeps sliding under the radar is that NO defense is what it was in 03/04 because of the all the changes/interpretations of the rules SINCE those years.
 
I'm glad to see this thread didn't get sidetracked with any positive thoughts.

 
Let me set the record straight....wait a sec....er....OK...I got it set...hey!..it's the Beatles White Album...Revolution #9...wow, love this thread
 
so you need to fill the 5 needs and you roughly have the same team you had last year although you will not replace welker in this scheme and the odds are much stronger that he is not ready at the start of the year. so you replace him with edelman who is productive, but the offense obviously suffered severely both times he replaced welker.....

I can understand the optimism........but to say:

No team will ever be flawless and this team has as much talent if not more than any one of those 3 championship teams.

is just a little ridiculous......no, its very ridiculous.......the LB's are an absolute disaster compared to those 3 teams, the OL is the same, the QB is the same, the mass sum of the WR you can argue either way......there are no TE's, and the RB's are jsut as weak if not weaker.

I guess you see what you want to see

I am sorry I should have said outside of the LB position this team is as talented.
Even me one of the most optimistic people see the issue there.

And all this wasn't to say we can't improve in certain areas but just to say that there is talent that people don't want to recognize on this team.

What I see as the big problem when people compare to the championship years is that they don't split them up so one year gets compared to three years. Example people want Ty Law caliber at CB but dont recognize we won in 04 without him or they want a RB like CD ignoring that Antoine was good enough. Each one of those teams had holes and as we filled some others opened up.

I am definitely overstating my point but I have to when everyone seems to be so convinced that this team is down slopping. When really it was a slight leveling off which should start to rise again quickly. I think this team as constituted could do better than last years figuring the draft and the roster.
 
The average ranking (using your numbers) is 16.8. There are 32 teams, so the average of the NFL would equal 16.5.
The argument that the defensive rating are off because of a lack of quality opponents is not supported. The rankings are actually as accurate as could be, not affected by quality of opponnent in either direction.
The idea that we did worst against good offenses? Duh. Thats why they are good and the bad ones are bad.
I think you are looking for meaning where it doesnt exist.
We were an above average defenses (somewhere from 5th-11th depending on your metric) that faced on average the typical NFL offense, and did very well against the poor ones, well against the average ones, and not so well against the good ones. Just as would be expected.

Do you expect a defense to do better against good teams than bad?

First of all Andy ya don't have to come riding to the rescue EVERYTIME someone says something that is not glowing for the team......Homerism is outright pathetic and just as bad as the really crazy chicken littles.....extremism at it's finest, say hello to Obama next time ya see him.

Do you really believe that the Titans were the 12th best Offense WHEN WE PLAYED THEM?
I believe that it IS supported, they played 10 Games against squids, 10 is more than 8 which is exactly 1/2 the games, not only that buy the teams they played were AWFUL.

I didn't say the team sucked, I said they need to get some players in there that are better than the players they had in there last year......

Tough concept I know...............
 
I am sorry I should have said outside of the LB position this team is as talented.
Even me one of the most optimistic people see the issue there.

And all this wasn't to say we can't improve in certain areas but just to say that there is talent that people don't want to recognize on this team.

What I see as the big problem when people compare to the championship years is that they don't split them up so one year gets compared to three years. Example people want Ty Law caliber at CB but dont recognize we won in 04 without him or they want a RB like CD ignoring that Antoine was good enough. Each one of those teams had holes and as we filled some others opened up.

I am definitely overstating my point but I have to when everyone seems to be so convinced that this team is down slopping. When really it was a slight leveling off which should start to rise again quickly. I think this team as constituted could do better than last years figuring the draft and the roster.

errr....ok

so the DL is as talented......right
so the secondary is as talented....check

you know, you really don't know what you are talking about, do you???
 
A fine post by Ken. However, let's review the two holes that I think are more difficult to fix than Ken does. And BTW, I think that these were our two biggest problems last year also.
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WIDE RECEIVER
We had a problem when we had Moss, Welker and no one as the #3. Edelman was fine as the slot sub. No Welker ios gone for awhile. We need a true X wide reciever. And we need a #4 who can substitute when any of the top 3 are injured. If we don't have a receiving TE, the #4 could be even more important.

I strongly disagree that it is easy for the patriots to find receivers in free agency. Who have been our great successes? Well, we did pick up Patten, our best free agent wide receiver. I think that we will indeed fill this hole in free agency, but we will need to bring in at least a couple of players. New wide receivers sometimes has a problem with our offense.

OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
OK. Let's presume that we bring back Burgess and that our pass rush is the same as last year. Are you fine with that?

OK, say that you are fine with Burgess and Banta-Cain as our passrush, with perhaps some help from a newly acquired DE.

We are presuming that Thomas is gone, aren't we? If not, I agree that there is no crisis. After all, if Thomas or his replacement plays up to what we wanted from Thomas, there is no issue. But if Thomas is gone,a re you really ready to count on Ninkovich and Crable as the saviors of the defense?

BOTTOM LINE
I agree with you basic premise that the doomsayers are crazy.
However, it may be just as crazy to believe that we can just plug in the kids we have and four new impact draftees and we will be Super Bowl favorites.

Well lets look again at those 2 positions from a slightly rosier point of view (those I acknowledge that they ARE the 2 positions that need tending to...not the many "holes" the Nancy's are complaining about...but TWO that can be filled in FA or the draft.

WR - You think more highly of Patten than I. Personally I think he's camp fodder and a nice summer story line. OTOH you don't value Tate as much as I do. I think he's POTENTIALLY the sleeper here. This was a kid who had real first round talent...IF he's healthy. We don't know if he is healthy or has lost some of his ability due to the injuries, but by the same token we don't know if he hasn't. If he can come back 100% healthy and is as good as advertized, then a lot of the issues at WR will become moot.

You are right that no one should expect anything from Welker until around game 8, but Edelman was rather effective DESPITE playing his first year as a WR....at any level In that respect what he accomplished was kind of amazing. I think he will be even better this year. Stronger, bigger, and faster Welker, but without that amazing burst Welker owns.

Finally, I wouldn't be shocked to see us sign a FA like Josh Reid, who I really liked coming out of college and who has never really had a first class QB or a stable offensive system to work with. If Tom Brady could make Reche Caldwell into a respectable #1 WR, he could make a better WR into a #2 or #3 in Reed.

As to the pass rush, I think you are undervaluing TBC, who based on AJ's post, had a VERY good year. And the optimist in me STILL is looking forward to seeing what a healthy Sean Crable can do. All that being said, there is still a possible Jason Taylor in our future, and certainly one or two of the pass rushing tweeners that we should have a shot at. ALL that could drastically improve our pass rush....and don't forget that BB will doing more hands on scheming of the D this season.

All in all, Yes there are questions, but there are realistic answers to those questions as well.
 
For those who have been bashing others for being critical of the team:

What's the basic success percentage for the Patriots on draft picks?
- How many start for the team in year one?
-- How many start from game one?

What's the basic success percentage for the Patriots on free agents?

What's the basic success percentage for the Patriots on players they traded for?

If all of those are 100%, there's no room to criticize the team/BB, and the forum should just become a place where people discuss which moves and players are even more awesome than the next.

If those are not all at 100%, you should all stop with the appeals to authority. Perhaps an actual discussion on the merits might, instead, be appropriate.
 
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WIDE RECEIVER
1) I don't think that we should be counting on Welker for this season. If he comes back this year, so much the better.
2) I agree that Edelamn looked good. We don't have to worry aboiut the slot position as Welker recovers.
3) I agree that Tate could be a sleeper, but he is just that. He hasn't had any serious playing time since his junior year in 2007. I have him penciled in at one of the WR/ST/utility roster spots. We had Aiken, Slater and Stanback last year.

THAT LEAVES US needing a #2 and a #4 receiver. My comment about Patten being our best free agent receiver refers to the success he had last time. I think that this time he will be a good story, as you say, but could take the #4 WR roster spot.

I am fine with Josh Reed for the #2 spot.
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OUTSIDE LINEBACKER
A) If we sign Burgess, then I'm OK with Burgess and Banta-Cain as pass-rushers.
B) The question is the rest of the OLB's. We have four roster positions and have Thomas, Woods, Crable and Ninkovich.
C) Yes, I am fine with Jason Taylor filling one of the FOUR open outside linebacker roster spots.
D) And yes, I understand that Crable could be great in camp, securing one of the open roster spots.

Well lets look again at those 2 positions from a slightly rosier point of view (those I acknowledge that they ARE the 2 positions that need tending to...not the many "holes" the Nancy's are complaining about...but TWO that can be filled in FA or the draft.

WR - You think more highly of Patten than I. Personally I think he's camp fodder and a nice summer story line. OTOH you don't value Tate as much as I do. I think he's POTENTIALLY the sleeper here. This was a kid who had real first round talent...IF he's healthy. We don't know if he is healthy or has lost some of his ability due to the injuries, but by the same token we don't know if he hasn't. If he can come back 100% healthy and is as good as advertized, then a lot of the issues at WR will become moot.

You are right that no one should expect anything from Welker until around game 8, but Edelman was rather effective DESPITE playing his first year as a WR....at any level In that respect what he accomplished was kind of amazing. I think he will be even better this year. Stronger, bigger, and faster Welker, but without that amazing burst Welker owns.

Finally, I wouldn't be shocked to see us sign a FA like Josh Reid, who I really liked coming out of college and who has never really had a first class QB or a stable offensive system to work with. If Tom Brady could make Reche Caldwell into a respectable #1 WR, he could make a better WR into a #2 or #3 in Reed.

As to the pass rush, I think you are undervaluing TBC, who based on AJ's post, had a VERY good year. And the optimist in me STILL is looking forward to seeing what a healthy Sean Crable can do. All that being said, there is still a possible Jason Taylor in our future, and certainly one or two of the pass rushing tweeners that we should have a shot at. ALL that could drastically improve our pass rush....and don't forget that BB will doing more hands on scheming of the D this season.

All in all, Yes there are questions, but there are realistic answers to those questions as well.
 
For those who have been bashing others for being critical of the team:

What's the basic success percentage for the Patriots on draft picks?
- How many start for the team in year one?
-- How many start from game one?

What's the basic success percentage for the Patriots on free agents?

What's the basic success percentage for the Patriots on players they traded for?

If all of those are 100%, there's no room to criticize the team/BB, and the forum should just become a place where people discuss which moves and players are even more awesome than the next.

If those are not all at 100%, you should all stop with the appeals to authority. Perhaps an actual discussion on the merits might, instead, be appropriate.

doesn't work around here......the group think around here is so steeped in kool-aid, it is going to get interesting when BB goes 6-10 or 5-11

its not even about the success of the draft picks to me......the real mind-boggling approach is the toilet-swirl known as the LB core.......the 3-4 MUST have outstanding LB's....speed isn't a big thing as long as they could recognize and understand situation. the pats don't have anyone who can read the offense and call things out....in general, the pats used to have 4-5 guys who could had the ability to recognize....not one player now has the same ability that 4 or 5 guys did previously......

this team will struggle to stop any decent offensive execution, and there are 3X as many on the schedule in 2010 versus 2009
 
While the OP was insightful, and alot of what was stated is true as far at stats are concerned, I must disagree with the WR position, as we have NOONE that has real success/experience except Randy-
I think people need to understand that Welker was hurt VERY late in the season, and may not ever be the same, and my best GUESS is he won't be even remotely close to the same till at least game 8 or so, and I'm thinking he may be useful the last few weeks of the year, so I THINK Edleman will be the #2 unless they get someone better, and even though I like and have high hopes for him, I'm not thrilled with that prospect at all.

After that they have:
Aiken- Yeah sure.......#6 at best
Tate- Yeah sure.....I'm guessing #4 at best- another guy with a bum knee- great pick there Billy.......
Patten- #3 at best(if he takes his flintstones everyday ), probably a 5, which puts him right in front of Aiken at 6

They have alot of bodies, but no proven talent, they even struggled WITH Welker on the field being superman....
Maybe this year they will start using the TE more...oooops sorry, they don't HAVE a TE, and their track record of TE procurement has been marginal AT BEST.
This would seem to point to a more balanced attack, which I am certainly for......problem is their running game is littered with guys that cannot stay healthy like Morris, LoMo and Freddy....so who is gonna carry the ball?

There is PLENTY to be concerned about, the Defensive stats from last year are OK, as long as you take into account the Offensive "Talent" that the team played against:
Team-Games ( ? )-Offensive Rank and notes

Buffalo-(2) 30th ranked offense- please this team is pathetic
Miami-(2)- 17th ranked, and almost entirely run
Jets-(2)-20th and almost all run-The rookie QB HELPED the pats cuz he was pathetic.
Atlanta-(1) 16th
Baltimore-(1) 13th ranked offense-Scored 21 on us- dropped pass ended the game as Balt was marching.
Tennessee-(1) 12th ranked- was PITIFUL when we played them- they turned it around AFTER we played them.
Tampa-(1) 28th ranked- pathetic team, especially when we played them.
Denver-(1)- Ranked 15th
Indy-(1)Ranked 9th, we gave them 35 points, including not even having a chance to hold them when it counted.
NO-(1) 1st ranked offense, ripped the Pats a new one- 38 pts- and it could have been ALOT worse, Peyton felt bad for Billy and the boys.
Carolina- (1) ranked 19th- almost entirely a run team- the QB is currently unemployed because he was so terrible.
Jax- (1) ranked 18th, run team
Houston- (1) Ranked 4th- Gave up 34 points

I personally don't think the Defensive rank is entirely accurate to how good the team is, as when they played a reasonable quality offensive team, they gave up points.

I'm not saying the team sux, but to sit here and say there aren't any issues is just being blinded by homerism.
IMO this team has work to do if they want to be real SB contenders, I feel that being able to put a bit more pressure on the opp QB without having to throw the kitchen sink would be a pretty big deal, as the DBS on the team look to be able to do OK if the front line doesn't make them hold tight for 20 minutes on every passing play.
So guys who suffer bum knee injuries don't have the potentially to do anything the NFL?

Right......
 
So guys who suffer bum knee injuries don't have the potentially to do anything the NFL?

Right......

the ones who miss their rookie season due to injury have an extremely low success rate.........and here we are talking about a guy who wasn't all that productive in college, either

I could understand going for him if he was either healthy or actually productive in the passing game, but he's really only a special teamer....
 
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First of all Andy ya don't have to come riding to the rescue EVERYTIME someone says something that is not glowing for the team......Homerism is outright pathetic and just as bad as the really crazy chicken littles.....extremism at it's finest, say hello to Obama next time ya see him.

Do you really believe that the Titans were the 12th best Offense WHEN WE PLAYED THEM?
I believe that it IS supported, they played 10 Games against squids, 10 is more than 8 which is exactly 1/2 the games, not only that buy the teams they played were AWFUL.

I didn't say the team sucked, I said they need to get some players in there that are better than the players they had in there last year......

Tough concept I know...............

Someone posted the rankings of the offenses we faced to say the overall rating of the defense was phony because those offenses sucked on average

I point out that the average ranking is exactly average, so the premise is flawed and that makes me a homer?

Who has an agenda?
The person who says rankings that add up to exactly average indicate a group of weak opponents or the person who points out they just disproved the point they were trying to make?

Sorry the convenient homer card fails again. HINT: If you are trying to judge what everyone says against an agenda YOU are the one with the agenda/
 
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