OT: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

[TedyB54]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

Funny, no mention of Howard "The-Best-In-The-Business-At-Stealing-Signals" Mudd.

Yea, it's all Peyton.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

lol I see this thread is also starting to lean towards a Manning-Brady debate. Well like I was getting at in the other thread, I think Sunday's game will tell alot about the debate. While there is still years left for both players, Manning has a chance to put himself over the top for now with an MVP-like performance. Otherwise Brady still has the edge career wise IMO.

If there would be one silver lining in Manning winning, it would be knowing how much that will fire up Brady for the rest of his career to get the title back. You know 2006 bothered him and look what he did in 2007. Alot remains to be seen. In the end, both are HOF'er and we are 2 lucky franchises to have them.

 

[L Bizzle]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

Funny, no mention of Howard "The-Best-In-The-Business-At-Stealing-Signals" Mudd.

Yea, it's all Peyton.

Am I in the twilight zone???? A Patriots fan accusing the Colts of stealing anything???

Show me the proof or (Please be quiet - edited) *I can't say $TFU?*

 

[upstater1]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

Am I in the twilight zone???? A Patriots fan accusing the Colts of stealing anything???

Show me the proof or (Please be quiet - edited) *I can't say $TFU?*

Proof of what?

Stealing signals is legal in the NFL.

Videotaping them is legal too.

Do you even know what you're talking about?

Jimmy Johnson, in fact, said Mudd is the Dean, and it was Mudd who taught him how to steal signals with videotape.

FACT: Stealing signals with videotape is legal in the NFL.

 

[PittPatriot]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

lol I see this thread is also starting to lean towards a Manning-Brady debate. Well like I was getting at in the other thread, I think Sunday's game will tell alot about the debate. While there is still years left for both players, Manning has a chance to put himself over the top for now with an MVP-like performance. Otherwise Brady still has the edge career wise IMO.

If there would be one silver lining in Manning winning, it would be knowing how much that will fire up Brady for the rest of his career to get the title back. You know 2006 bothered him and look what he did in 2007. Alot remains to be seen. In the end, both are HOF'er and we are 2 lucky franchises to have them.

You sound like the diplomatic steve young with his van gogh vs. picasso analogy.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

He is really, really, really good. Probably go down as the undisputed best QB of all time when he retires. I wouldn't doubt it.

Everytime the Colts are down Manning makes the plays necessary for them to win.

That would explain why he's got so many rings in his 12 year career...:ugh:

Manning runs an offense that limits itself in actual routes and rather executes them all precisely from a variety of sets.

The only player on the field with Manning making reads is Manning (and occasionally his #1 and TE make post snap adjustments he anticipates). Brady is running a sight adjusted offense where all the weapons are expected to make the same reads pre as well as post snap and adjust their routes as well as execute with precision. Seldom happens... Brady and Moss and Welker (and a handful of transient players in his career like Brown, Branch, Givens, Caldwell, Gaffney) manage to be on the same page much of the time - although some of those players had other issues... Most of his weapons have had issues throughout their careers. Route running and hands and blocking demands for Watson, age for Brown and Patten, hands for Caldwell, route running and capacity to read for Bethel, CJ, and a host of others...The myriad fill ins who can't get open on basic routes or open quickly or consistently or block well, which is why they're fill ins...Coverage has become an issue that limits Moss' effectiveness.

Brady was deciphering defenses better than Manning three years in to his career. Manning didn't begin to decipher them well until 2006 - when St. Dungy finally convinced him they were never going to win on his talent alone. He's always had the weapons to do the job once he caught up. Brady hasn't ever had the weapons to consistently make the most of his own capacity to decipher defenses. He got pretty close in 2003-2004, and again in 2007, but once defenses figured out how to shut Moss down and figured out they could do that fairly easily with pressure up the middle that this OL isn't built to withstand with any consistency, the fix again became a personnel issue and QB's including Manning can't process their way around that. Any more than Tom could in 2005 and 2006. Take away half of Manning's weapons and old Univac would rapidly regress into the pouty faced meltdown machine he was prior to this season.

It just frosts me when mediots try to oversimplify and quantify something they could never begin do, and that includes Dilfer...

 

[upstater1]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

That would explain why he's got so many rings in his 12 year career...:ugh:

Manning runs an offense that limits itself in actual routes and rather executes them all precisely from a variety of sets.

The only player on the field with Manning making reads is Manning (and occasionally his #1 and TE make post snap adjustments he anticipates). Brady is running a sight adjusted offense where all the weapons are expected to make the same reads pre as well as post snap and adjust their routes as well as execute with precision. Seldom happens... Brady and Moss and Welker (and a handful of transient players in his career like Brown, Branch, Givens, Caldwell, Gaffney) manage to be on the same page much of the time - although some of those players had other issues... Most of his weapons have had issues throughout their careers. Route running and hands and blocking demands for Watson, age for Brown and Patten, hands for Caldwell, route running and capacity to read for Bethel, CJ, and a host of others...The myriad fill ins who can't get open on basic routes or open quickly or consistently or block well, which is why they're fill ins...Coverage has become an issue that limits Moss' effectiveness.

Brady was deciphering defenses better than Manning three years in to his career. Manning didn't begin to decipher them well until 2006 - when St. Dungy finally convinced him they were never going to win on his talent alone. He's always had the weapons to do the job once he caught up. Brady hasn't ever had the weapons to consistently make the most of his own capacity to decipher defenses. He got pretty close in 2003-2004, and again in 2007, but once defenses figured out how to shut Moss down and figured out they could do that fairly easily with pressure up the middle that this OL isn't built to withstand with any consistency, the fix again became a personnel issue and QB's including Manning can't process their way around that. Any more than Tom could in 2005 and 2006. Take away half of Manning's weapons and old Univac would rapidly regress into the pouty faced meltdown machine he was prior to this season.

It just frosts me when mediots try to oversimplify and quantify something they could never begin do, and that includes Dilfer...

Some of those OL issues could me ameliorated with better WRs and tighter sets which rely more on athletic LTs like Vollmer and Light.

If you have to keep a TE in then do it as long as you have 4 pass catchers out there who can take advantage of the offense.

Koppen didn't become a weakling overnight. The Patriots have widened their sets to compensate for certain things going wrong.

 

[TedyB54]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

Am I in the twilight zone???? A Patriots fan accusing the Colts of stealing anything???

Show me the proof or (Please be quiet - edited) *I can't say $TFU?*

Huh? Are you really going to deny that there's never been one single instance in which someone on the Colts sideline figured out an opposing teams defensive signal and had that info relayed to Manning on the field so he could audible a different play to counter it?

Are you actually going to play the "Colts Are The Purest And Most Holiest NFL Franchise" card?

Really?

So, following your logic, no Colt fan should ever be able to make a comment should a Patriots player someday be accused of firing a weapon wildly at innocent civilians on the street. Right?

Friggen Pathetic D-Bag Colts fans, I can't stand you self-righteous ***holes.

 

[MassPats38]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

Screw his football accomplishments. His contributions in quantum electrodynamics and superconductivity are actually much more impressive.

And his invention of the bicycle and question mark are similarly awe-inspiring.

I don't doubt his physical skills and do not disagree he is a great QB, but he is not exactly throwing to no-name receivers the entire time he has been statistically great (Harrison, Wayne, Clark, etc. - receivers get separation, not QBs). And that lousy O-line - he must be a miracle worker! If his supporting cast were average, I would give him braniac points. With that cast, it doesn't take a mental giant to make the offense go. And after the number of years he has spent in that system, he had better be capable of running the offense from the field.

 

[363839]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

Screw his football accomplishments. His contributions in quantum electrodynamics and superconductivity are actually much more impressive.

" Are you serious, Clark?"

 

[jmt57]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

My understanding (feel free to coreect me if I'm wrong) is that while most quarterbacks get a play called into them - and are expected to audible out depending on what the defense may show - Manning instead has those three possible plays and then calls the play depending on the pre-snap read at the line of scrimmage. In other words, in both cases the QB has three plays to go with depending on the read; the difference is that most QB's are calling one in the huddle and then changing at the LOS, while Manning waits till he gets to the LOS and makes the call.

I'm not trying to take anything away from manning, a future hall-of-famer; it's just that it seems more is made of his calling one of those three plays by the media and fans than should be; it's not radically different from a QB calling an audible based on what he sees.

On a side note it is also very beneficial when the Colts go to a hurry up or sugar huddle, as the coach-to-QB communication is still in place until there are 15 seconds left on the play clock or until the ball is snapped. It's a perfectly legal way to get an extra set of eyes to survey the opposing defense and get the best play called.

 

[bigfandan]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

On a side note it is also very beneficial when the Colts go to a hurry up or sugar huddle, as the coach-to-QB communication is still in place until there are 15 seconds left on the play clock or until the ball is snapped. It's a perfectly legal way to get an extra set of eyes to survey the opposing defense and get the best play called.

That's a very good point. Colts OL and WRs seem programed to line up quickly easly in the clock and then wait forever while manning goes through the theatrics. OL men must be tired to keep the stances for that long (and become more prone to mistakes), therefore more teams don't do that. That speaks to the high quality of Colts' OL.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Manning processes information like a mad scientist

My understanding (feel free to coreect me if I'm wrong) is that while most quarterbacks get a play called into them - and are expected to audible out depending on what the defense may show - Manning instead has those three possible plays and then calls the play depending on the pre-snap read at the line of scrimmage. In other words, in both cases the QB has three plays to go with depending on the read; the difference is that most QB's are calling one in the huddle and then changing at the LOS, while Manning waits till he gets to the LOS and makes the call.

I'm not trying to take anything away from manning, a future hall-of-famer; it's just that it seems more is made of his calling one of those three plays by the media and fans than should be; it's not radically different from a QB calling an audible based on what he sees.

On a side note it is also very beneficial when the Colts go to a hurry up or sugar huddle, as the coach-to-QB communication is still in place until there are 15 seconds left on the play clock or until the ball is snapped. It's a perfectly legal way to get an extra set of eyes to survey the opposing defense and get the best play called.

Would certainly explain why there was near universal distress this spring when it appeared the OC was retiring, only to be brought back as a consultant who in effect remained the OC... If Manning were nearly the genius some appear anxious to proclaim him, not sure replacing a a 70 year old OC with an OC groomed by him in the system in a QB's 12th season would have caused such trepidation...