Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB (from 1/31/2010)

[Patjew]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

OK, I'm going to jump in for some stupid reason.

I think Brady owned the first half of the 00's, despite Manning having some very impressive numbers.

I think Manning has owned the second half of the 00's more so than Brady, despite Brady having some very impressive numbers. Certainly the Colts have owned the Pats from 2005 on.

In 2007 all the world was crowning Brady as the best QB alive. People have very short memories. But that being said, I think Manning had a much better 2009, and I think that Manning instills much more fear in opposing defenses than Brady does now. Maybe next year that will change (again).

If that stupid helmet catch did not happen, this conversation probably isn't taking place.

 

[Teenuh]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

It kills me that I'm arguing for Manning, but your continued insinuation that this shouldn't even be an argument is what I completely disagree with.

I say that because it shouldn't be according to the stats and history. And then we have the fact that most coaches picked Brady in that poll. But hey, you know more than the nfl coaches right?

 

[BostonPatriot]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

I say that because it shouldn't be according to the stats and history. And then we have the fact that most coaches picked Brady in that poll. But hey, you know more than the nfl coaches right?

He knows a lot more than you, that's for sure! The way you dismiss Manning is laughable. No one takes you serious. You're no different than the ultra negative posters who claim Belichick is a crappy coach, just on the homer side of the fence.

 

[Teenuh]

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Your evidence was just proven to be unfair and out of date.

Why is Brady a better qb than Brady since 2004? This should be easy for you, since you've stated several times there is no debate when it comes to who is better.

Isn't the whole point of this argument to discuss who is the best QB??? Not the best QB of 2009 or the best QB of 2006. The best QB period between the two? If that is the case, then Brady wins when you add everything up. If you're asking if Brady was better than Manning in 2009, then obviously the answer is no. Brady just came back from a year away from football so I didn't expect him to start where he left off back in 2007. That isn't realistic. And if you ask which Qb was better from 2004 to now, I'll still say Brady because of everything he accomplished in 2007. How many records did the pats break that year? lol

 

[BostonPatriot]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

OK, I'm going to jump in for some stupid reason.

I think Brady owned the first half of the 00's, despite Manning having some very impressive numbers.

I think Manning has owned the second half of the 00's more so than Brady, despite Brady having some very impressive numbers. Certainly the Colts have owned the Pats from 2005 on.

In 2007 all the world was crowning Brady as the best QB alive. People have very short memories. But that being said, I think Manning had a much better 2009, and I think that Manning instills much more fear in opposing defenses than Brady does now. Maybe next year that will change (again).

If that stupid helmet catch did not happen, this conversation probably isn't taking place.

This. At least you're somewhat objective.

 

[Teenuh]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

He knows a lot more than you, that's for sure! The way you dismiss Manning is laughable. No one takes you serious. You're no different than the ultra negative posters who claim Belichick is a crappy coach, just on the homer side of the fence.

Really?? Add the stats in that arcticle with the stats from 2004 to now. See who still comes out on top in the end. Face it, Manning never has been and never will be as good as Brady. You Colts fans are living in a fantasy world. And I hope that is proven once again next week when the Colts lose to the Saints. Then this argument will be done... My point will be proven again.

 

[Teenuh]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

Same here. I think both guys are amazing qb's, but these HOMERS who dismiss Manning are rediculous and delusional. You can make a great argument as to why Manning is a better QB right now.

A better QB in 2009? Yep, Manning was better. There isn't much of an argument there. was Manning better in 2007? Not even close. And Brady didn't play in 2008.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

To be fair:

pre 2005

Brady: 9-0
Manning: 3-5

post 2005

Brady: 4-4
Manning: 6-3

You win more if you play wild card weekend.

 

[BostonPatriot]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

Isn't the whole point of this argument to discuss who is the best QB??? Not the best QB of 2009 or the best QB of 2006. The best QB period between the two? If that is the case, then Brady wins when you add everything up. If you're asking if Brady was better than Manning in 2009, then obviously the answer is no. Brady just came back from a year away from football so I didn't expect him to start where he left off back in 2007. That isn't realistic. And if you ask which Qb was better from 2004 to now, I'll still say Brady because of everything he accomplished in 2007. How many records did the pats break that year? lol

Yes. However, the article which you failed to read only took into account both players careers up until 2004, which changed the argument, and which exposed your true knowledge on the subject

Manning did what Brady did in 2007 in 2004. He threw one less td, played less, but had a higher completin percentage and td per attempt ratio. 2007 was a failure for us because we lost the sb.

Lastly, now your trying to support your argument with all the records the Patriots broke in 2007, as if Brady was the only one responsible for those records.

You're not objective and you don't think for yourself. It's a shame you represent our fanbase.

 

[upstater1]

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Tom Francis Brady ... 2007.

50 touchdowns to 8 INT's ... 6.25 ratio.


Peyton Manning ... 2004

49 touchdowns to 10 INT's ... 4.99 ratio.

Wow, so the Colts fans are even quoting incorrect stats.

 

[Teenuh]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

Yes. However, the article which you failed to read only took into account both players careers up until 2004, which changed the argument, and which exposed your true knowledge on the subject

Manning did what Brady did in 2007 in 2004. He threw one less td, played less, but had a higher completin percentage and td per attempt ratio. 2007 was a failure for us because we lost the sb.

Lastly, now your trying to support your argument with all the records the Patriots broke in 2007, as if Brady was the only one responsible for those records.

You're not objective and you don't think for yourself. It's a shame you represent our fanbase.

And its a shame we have Colts fans pretending to be Pats fans

Okay, i'm still waiting for actual evidence that clearly shows Manning is better than Brady overall. Not in 2009, not within the past 5 years, but better overall. Prove it or end the discussion.

 

[Joker]

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Wow, so the Colts fans are even quoting incorrect stats.

wow..now THAT'S "rediculous"!

 

[upstater1]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

Define 'choke'. I was hardcore pro-Brady in this debate until Manning lost Harrison and Edgerrin James but stayed puttin up great #'s, and also finally getting a ring. Brady's performances in 3 of the last 4 playoffs were less than stellar to his standards. This year was terrible, '07 wasn't terrible but in the 2 games that mattered the most he was neutralized (the Giants game wasn't his fault but alot of Manning's 'chokes' weren't completely his fault either). '05 even though we lost a few fumbles, you can only wonder how that game would have ended without the killer INT. So would that make him a 'choker' post '04?

The Patriots have had better teams since '01 than the Colts until very recently, and now Manning is slowly catching up in terms of head to head wins and, if he wins next week, rings.

Choking is throwing multiple INTs and acting panicked.

I fail to see how Brady was neutralized in a game the Patriots had a 2 score lead in. Were his numbers bad? No. Were they good? No. During the first half, the Patriots opened up the offense and got their points, and Brady looked good. Then they took the air out of the ball. That was a frigid day in Foxboro, so I would not take anything away from Brady for letting the defense win the game in zero degree Foxboro weather. The week before he set a record for accuracy.

In all of those games, you might say Brady had a bad game only against the Ravens this year. Maybe the Broncos game was a choke. The Patriots fell behind by a lot, and Brady rallied them to the point where they were going to win until that Bailey INT. You can call that a choke and the Ravens a choke. But generally, he has had a history of about 14 games where he has been clutch, and even in the 2007 Super Bowl he didn't hurt the team but he did lead them to a go ahead TD with under 2 minutes left.

He also heaved a 70 yard bomb to Moss that hit Moss on the hands with 30 seconds left.

 

[Patjew]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

This. At least you're somewhat objective.

Alot more than somewhat, bud.

Up until 2006 this conversation would have been a joke. 2006, 2008 and 2009 have really solidified Manning's place as a great player. But so what? Brady and Manning are the best two QBs of their generation and two of the best ever. So if they're 1 and 2, 1a and 1b or whatever, who cares? This is a team game. We've been lucky to watch both. Although personally I enjoyed it more when Manning would choke it away every year.

If people want to argue about individual players they should focus on boxing or MMA, IMO.

 

[upstater1]

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I just read through all 13 pages of this comedy piece, and I have to say that this post wins the award for most outlandish, ridiculous, homer-filled post of the thread on top of the other handfuls of nominees. Just incredible.

Of course you are not impressed by Manning and the Colts' wins over Baltimore and New York.....because Manning played well and his team won! You are the definition of a blind homer who would attack anyone who made an argument against his team, valid or not. Get a grip.

Sorry to criticize your binky, whether its Manning, the Ravens or the mighty Jets. I think the latter two are pretty mediocre teams. There's nothing wrong with that. The Patriots themselves have profited from playing crud in the playoffs. We once played the Jets and Jaguars to get to the Super Bowl. No shame in that. How were the 2004 Broncos so much worse than this year's Ravens?

That's all I said.

Get a thicker skin.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

So if I flip a coin four times and it comes up heads three times and tails once, that means it's more likely that it'll come up heads again before tails just because its already happened three times?



Sounds like he's not the one who needs math help! Just like with the flipping of a coin, what has happened in the past will not effect what will happen in the future.

(Can't wait for someone to stupidly take this as an argument in favor of the Colts winning and go off on a tirade about chance.)

Are you seriously kidding me? Brady won 3 SBs. He didnt win a coin flip.
There isnt a 50/50 chance that either one wins.
Brady has won 3 of the 8 years he has played. 37.5%
Manning has won 1 in 12 years. 8.3%

So when you find the coin that has a 37.5% of coming up Brady, an 8.3% chance of coming up Manning and a 54.2% chance of coming up someone else, then go ahead and flip your coin.

If you are saying what happened in the past has no bearing on what will happen in the future, then Manning will enter next season as a medicore QB right?

 

[Joker]

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I just called up a friend of mine in Indy and he told me Red Ickulous is the man in charge of cow pie removal after Colt games

now you know...

 

[upstater1]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

Yes. However, the article which you failed to read only took into account both players careers up until 2004, which changed the argument, and which exposed your true knowledge on the subject

Manning did what Brady did in 2007 in 2004. He threw one less td, played less, but had a higher completin percentage and td per attempt ratio. 2007 was a failure for us because we lost the sb.

Lastly, now your trying to support your argument with all the records the Patriots broke in 2007, as if Brady was the only one responsible for those records.

You're not objective and you don't think for yourself. It's a shame you represent our fanbase.

What is this "played less" stuff?

I hope you're aware that Brady threw his 49th TD in less time than Manning threw his 49th TD, and Brady outplayed Manning by all of 8 minutes that year. That's right, Brady played 8 minutes more.

 

[condon84]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

I say that because it shouldn't be according to the stats and history. And then we have the fact that most coaches picked Brady in that poll. But hey, you know more than the nfl coaches right?

Please provide the link to this poll. And when was this poll taken place?

And believe it or not, Manning's stats are gaudier than Brady's. Brady still owns more SB titles, which trump all of Manning's stats, but let's be real: Brady was on better teams and better coaching staffs than Manning earlier this decade.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Bob Cryin: Manning is the better QB

Please provide the link to this poll. And when was this poll taken place?

And believe it or not, Manning's stats are gaudier than Brady's. Brady still owns more SB titles, which trump all of Manning's stats, but let's be real: Brady was on better teams and better coaching staffs than Manning earlier this decade.

I tend to disagree with this better team stuff because it detracts from what Brady actually accomplished. What you're saying is true of the first Super Bowl, but again, go back to the Carolina Super Bowl.

The Patriots defense gave up 325 passing yards, and big runs to Carolina. They gave up 29 points in 32 minutes. Brady had to rear back and throw a Super Bowl record 50 times. Antowain Smith was his RB, and the Patriots were not running the ball well. Carolina had a really good defense. So did the Patriots, but their top player in the D-backfield were hurt. Brady threw for 350 yards and broke the Super Bowl completion record.

This is why I think the Colts posters who are arguing that Brady had more help than Manning are taking too much away from Brady. Brady broke Super Bowl records and performed amazingly in the clutch.