Before you get too excited about the Saints

[pherein]

I don't think either team will blow out the other, but I don't think a decisive win would mean much. Either team is quite capable of turning the tables in a rematch.

agreed, nice post by the way

 

[The Dynasty]

If the Pats give up a second half lead and lose by ten, it will certainly reinforce the current trend of poor second half performances and signify that this team just can;t finish off teams. I suppose it would holp if the Pats could string together an 8-10 minute drive in the second half.

I would be extremely disappointed and concerned if we give up another 2nd half lead. I hope that our play calling stays aggressive and takes shots down the field even with the lead. As I have said in other threads if we get Light, Neal, Morris and Taylor back I think we are capable of putting together 8-10 minute drives in the 2nd half.

 

[pherein]

The Saints havent prooved much, they've beat quality teams, but they havent been dominant. The thing that sets them apart from the Pats is that they have won on the road. The Pats havent done that. I agree that right now the Saints for better then the Pats, but that could change Monday night with a Pats win.

dominant from the the beginning , we were in the first 6 games, but later dominate at the end. I think the point is to stick to a winning game plan. I don't know how dominate you can be in this league anymore, the NFL is pretty touph. no we are not the 2007 Pats, The saints are just looking to finish games not be brilliant. We are what we are.

You know though it is my mind that with an experienced QB like Brady and a coach like BB , I dont think the road bothers them much at all. Stats are a fluke in this case, I think.

 

[The Dynasty]

how are the eagles 2-8? i think philly is a solid team but they are bit streaky. the giants are good too.

bottom line is they have beaten several teams with winning records. we have not so far.

Sorry that was a typo with the Eagles record, they are 6-4.

The Saints have played only 2 teams with winning records right now, the Eagles and the Giants. They havent really been dominant at all. Beating one of the worst team in football by only 5 points definitely isnt dominant. They were completely dominated by the Dolphins in the first half, but played a great 2nd half and got the job done.

The Pats have played 2 teams with winning records and have lost both of them. We have not won a game on the road. Right now yes we have to say that the Saints are better than us, but we have shown that we can compete with any team in the league. This game gives both teams a chance to prove just how good they are by beating a quality opponent.

 

[The Dynasty]

dominant from the the beginning , we were in the first 6 games, but later dominate at the end. I don't know how dominate you can be in this league anymore, the NFL is pretty touph. no we are not the 2007 Pats, The saints are just looking to finish games not be brilliant. We are what we are.

You know though it is my mind that with an experienced QB like Brady and a coach like BB , I dont think the road bothers them much at all. Stats are a fluke in this case, I think.

None of this really makes sense, I cant really figure out what you are trying to say...

From what points I did understand, you can be dominate in the NFL today. They're are some really bad teams in the league this year, way more than any year I can rememeber. The Saints played one of those teams and only won by 5 points. They havent been winning by 20+ points every week, which is why I say that havent been dominant so we shouldnt be afraid of them.

Right now the road is an issue for the Pats, and it will be until we prove that we can win on the road.

 

[pherein]

None of this really makes sense, I cant really figure out what you are trying to say...

From what points I did understand, you can be dominate in the NFL today. They're are some really bad teams in the league this year, way more than any year I can rememeber. The Saints played one of those teams and only won by 5 points. They havent been winning by 20+ points every week, which is why I say that havent been dominant so we shouldnt be afraid of them.

Right now the road is an issue for the Pats, and it will be until we prove that we can win on the road.

Sorry if I didn't explain my point to well, guess what I'm try to say is a dominate team is one that wins and finishes games, sometimes your 24pts above and keep the lead and sometimes your 24pts behind and come back, but dominate teams find a way to get the W. Which I think we have.

Sorry but I think the road issue with the Pats is not an issue, we just disagree on that, I believe on the road or at home will not bother the Pats performance and what happen in those games was just the game that day.
Pats are to experienced for that nonsense.

 

[The Dynasty]

Sorry if I didn't explain my point to well, guess what I'm try to say is a dominate team is one that wins and finishes games, sometimes your 24pts above and keep the lead and sometimes your 24pts behind and come back, but dominate teams find a way to get the W. Which I think we have.

Sorry but I think the road issue with the Pats is not an issue, we just disagree on that, I believe on the road or at home will not bother the Pats performance and what happen in those games was just the game that day.
Pats are to experienced for that nonsense.

Good teams find a way to get the W, dominant teams dont need to find ways to get the W. Dominant teams shouldnt have to find ways to win, they just win them.

We do disagree on the Pats road problems being an issue, but the Pats arent as experienced as years past. Our defense is very young. Look at our team with young contributors such as Mayo, Guyton, Wilhite, Butler, Merriweather, McGowan and Chung.

 

[pherein]

Good teams find a way to get the W, dominant teams dont need to find ways to get the W. Dominant teams shouldnt have to find ways to win, they just win them.

We do disagree on the Pats road problems being an issue, but the Pats arent as experienced as years past. Our defense is very young. Look at our team with young contributors such as Mayo, Guyton, Wilhite, Butler, Merriweather, McGowan and Chung.

Ya I saw how young the defense was just didnt want to bring that up, they are playing well thow.

Dominance were the 2007 Pats or the TB Steelers of 87 or the 90's SF team . Compared to those teams we are not dominate, by the definition. But that is not a usual occurrence in the NFL.

 

[The Dynasty]

Ya I saw how young the defense was just didnt want to bring that up, they are playing well thow.

Dominance where the 2007 Pats or the TB Steelers of 87 or the 90's SF team . Compared to those teams we are not dominate, by the definition. But that is not a usual occurrence in the NFL.

I agree, a truely dominant team is a very rare occurance in the NFL today. I just dont think the Saints are an undefeated team. Brees has has some below average games and so has the defense, but you are what your record says you are and the Saints are 10-0.

 

[pherein]

I agree, a truely dominant team is a very rare occurance in the NFL today. I just dont think the Saints are an undefeated team. Brees has has some below average games and so has the defense, but you are what your record says you are and the Saints are 10-0.

not getting "dont think the Saints are an undefeated" I mean we are , I'm guessing you mean unbeatable? am I right?

 

[The Dynasty]

not getting "dont think the Saints are an undefeated" I mean we are , I'm guessing you mean unbeatable? am I right?

Yeah sorry I said that wrong. They definitely have their flaws that the Pats and other teams can capitalize on.

 

[NEPatriot]

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Panthers
Rams
Buccaneers

They may beat us and they may not BUT; up to now they have not had a difficult schedule.

Remember reading the same thing about the Colts. I don't understand these arguments.

 

[pherein]

Yeah sorry I said that wrong. They definitely have their flaws that the Pats and other teams can capitalize on.

Oh ya absolutely. Good point. Our defense is base on reality stats so we loose allot of yards to try and get the ball back to this great offense that can leave open a big play. G.W. leaves these plays open on purpose to get ints, so there is a weakness in the run and short yardage pass. Its a trade off. The reality stats are these, but you have to gamble.
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Our offense is really not that simple to break. Brees's completion rating actually goes to 122 when rushed by more than one D player. I think our weakness in offense is not one thing , you have to own the line of scrimmage and prevent D all of the targets. You have to stop the run and pass or you have to put up points. Payton offense is built as a "you cant cover everyone " offense.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Lions
Eagles
Bills
Jets
Giants ..Good win

Dolphins
Falcons
Panthers
Rams
Buccaneers

They may beat us and they may not BUT; up to now they have not had a difficult schedule.

Eagles and Giants are better than any team we've beaten. And who cares if they haven't faced all world teams, which of the elite teams has gone through a gauntlet this year? There are LOTS of bad teams in the NFL

 

[The Dynasty]

Oh ya absolutely. Good point. Our defense is base on reality stats so we loose allot of yards to try and get the ball back to this great offense that can leave open a big play. G.W. leaves these plays open on purpose to get ints, so there is a weakness in the run and short yardage pass. Its a trade off.

Our offense is really not that simple to break. Brees's completion rating actually goes to 122 when rushed by more than one D player. I think our weakness in offense is not one thing , you have to own the line of scrimmage and prevent D all of the targets. You have to stop the run and pass.

Well we dont have a dominant running game, so you dont really have to worry about that. Although Maroney has looked better in the past few weeks and hopefully we get Taylor and Morris back. As you probably saw yesterday and can tell short yardage passing is our strength so look for us to try and exploit that with Welker and Edelman.

Our defenses weakness has been getting pressure on the QB with our front four. The key for us to win is to contain Brees. We need to get pressure on him, if he gets time I think he will be pretty successful against us and it will be a shoot out.

 

[pherein]

Well we dont have a dominant running game, so you dont really have to worry about that. Although Maroney has looked better in the past few weeks and hopefully we get Taylor and Morris back. As you probably saw yesterday and can tell short yardage passing is our strength so look for us to try and exploit that with Welker and Edelman.

Our defenses weakness has been getting pressure on the QB with our front four. The key for us to win is to contain Brees. We need to get pressure on him, if he gets time I think he will be pretty successful against us and it will be a shoot out.

Maroney is a good in field runner he might pull it off, but my bet is you need Morris back, his in between tackle running is impressive to say the least hes a good back. Brady is the best short yardage passer I have even seen he should do damn well on the clock and getting 3-7 each time. Especially with G.W. taking chances. I like wilker but I would look to Edelman to carry this one G.W. will try to wrap up Welker, but you know that.

If you cant break our OL you know brees will throw in double coverage ,Generally is 3-7 secs for his release. And he will use the long gains to build the play action fake , so big run, you must beat the line, thats how we win.

 

[Nikolai]

Pherein gets the win for representing the Saints fans with class.

I don't really get the comparisons of schedules. There really isn't a very good way to determine which record you use when bringing it up. The Giants were 5-0 and the Saints exposed them. The Ravens were 3-0 and the Patriots exposed them. Both teams have struggled since. Bringing up strength of schedule doesn't really mean a whole lot, because a team's momentum rises and falls. When Denver beat the Pats, they were riding high, but I guarantee you that in a rematch today, the Pats would probably make fairly easy work of them. The same is obviously true regarding the Jets.

Bringing up schedules is foolhardy. All you can do really is look at the matchups and the Xs and Os to get an idea of how these teams really compare. I'm too busy to do that stuff, so I'll leave it to others to examine, but it seems that on the surface, this is going to be a very good game. In fact, I foresee another one of those late game bouts of high-blood pressure coming next Monday. I see the Pats jumping on the Saints early and then watching as the Saints try to comeback in the second half.

 

[The Dynasty]

Pherein gets the win for representing the Saints fans with class.

I don't really get the comparisons of schedules. There really isn't a very good way to determine which record you use when bringing it up. The Giants were 5-0 and the Saints exposed them. The Ravens were 3-0 and the Patriots exposed them. Both teams have struggled since. Bringing up strength of schedule doesn't really mean a whole lot, because a team's momentum rises and falls. When Denver beat the Pats, they were riding high, but I guarantee you that in a rematch today, the Pats would probably make fairly easy work of them. The same is obviously true regarding the Jets.

Bringing up schedules is foolhardy. All you can do really is look at the matchups and the Xs and Os to get an idea of how these teams really compare. I'm too busy to do that stuff, so I'll leave it to others to examine, but it seems that on the surface, this is going to be a very good game. In fact, I foresee another one of those late game bouts of high-blood pressure coming next Monday. I see the Pats jumping on the Saints early and then watching as the Saints try to comeback in the second half.

Definitely a fan of Pherein, thank you for posting your Saints knowledge and being very upfront and non confrentational.

I expect this game to be close, quite possibly coming down to who has the ball last. I think in order for the Pats to be successful in this game we need to establish a run early, similar to what we did against the Colts. This will open up the passing game down field. On the defensive end I think we need to get pressure on Brees. TBC and Burgess need to come to play. The Saints are a very good football team, but definitely have their weaknesses that can be exposed

 

[italia44]

I'm seeing some of the things on this board,that I've seen on other boards for the last 8 or so years.

When Indy was winning all those games indoors,we said......yea but...........Well,if the Pats give up another 2nd half lead or lose on the road.............no matter whether it's against an NFC team or whatever,then they're not just,that good...........period.Great teams find a way to win.............like the Colts and the Saints and The Vikings..............also maybe,the Chargers.

The Patriots are not elite,right now.............style points don't count anymore in Dec and Jan...........I need to see us beat New Orleans and Miami.......on the road...........I don't care,how.We,as fans,have to realize that it's how well you're playing from now on,that's important...................not statistics.

If you can't get the top 2 seeds,you must win on the road,indoors or out..........4 of the next 6 are on the road,it's time for the Patriots to PROVE that they are SB contenders.

This is really a very simple game...........throwing,catching,blocking and tackling..............forget the schemes and all that drama.................catch the ball(Reece Caldwell,Kevin Faulk).............tackle(Eli and Rodney Harrison) and you'll be OK.

The Saints are a great team......it's on the road and it's the NFC............but,we need to beat them.You're not one of the best...............until you prove it.

 

[pherein]

Pherein gets the win for representing the Saints fans with class.

I don't really get the comparisons of schedules. There really isn't a very good way to determine which record you use when bringing it up. The Giants were 5-0 and the Saints exposed them. The Ravens were 3-0 and the Patriots exposed them. Both teams have struggled since. Bringing up strength of schedule doesn't really mean a whole lot, because a team's momentum rises and falls. When Denver beat the Pats, they were riding high, but I guarantee you that in a rematch today, the Pats would probably make fairly easy work of them. The same is obviously true regarding the Jets.

Bringing up schedules is foolhardy. All you can do really is look at the matchups and the Xs and Os to get an idea of how these teams really compare. I'm too busy to do that stuff, so I'll leave it to others to examine, but it seems that on the surface, this is going to be a very good game. In fact, I foresee another one of those late game bouts of high-blood pressure coming next Monday. I see the Pats jumping on the Saints early and then watching as the Saints try to comeback in the second half.

Mile high is the single most field advantage in football, I don't think the saints could play there either. The air is crazy thin and not many can throw a ball with that wind.