PFT: If Seymour doesn't report, Raiders will want their pick back

[rsd]

Take the physical. sit out till week 10 play the 7 games and become an ufa

And then Oakland has the right to franchise tag him for 1-2 years. Seymour has NO leverage other than the Retirement option.

 

[BradyFTW!]

This better get resolved soon.

Contrary to what some think, Davis and the Raiders can easily void this deal if they grow disenchanted and their medical team gets its hands on Seymour.

Each team has it's own medical guidelines apparently, and all the Raiders neeed to establish is that Seymours physical condition does not meet their needs.

See Lee Suggs:

Yup, there's a pretty large precedent for trades being voided on account of failed physicals. So yeah, if he doesn't report, that's probably their out, although considering that he was playing in the preseason, and all of the scrutiny surrounding the situation, it wouldn't surprise me if they tread delicately so it doesn't look like they're just trying to sink the deal. Who knows...

 

[PatriotsInGA]

Question is: when he become a UFA, does he resign with the Pats?

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

Its not that simple. The team can appeal, and then he gets inspected by the league appointed third parties.

Suggs is exactly the opposite situation: HE WAS ACTUALLY HURT, and the team was lying about it. Thats what the void clause is for.

You mean the Patriots can appeal to the league office and get them involved I assume? And that in turn would mean the league having to take a position that dictates the medical requirements each team would have to have collectively? Please direct to the source where the league got involved with a third party medical evaluation in the past please.

Where is the resource that confirms the Browns lied about any injury? And for that matter, if he was injured enough to fail a physical why did the Dolphins pick him up and hold him for a month?

The article quoted Savage pretty clearly; each team has it's own medical guidelines.

 

[Synovia]

And then Oakland has the right to franchise tag him for 1-2 years. Seymour has NO leverage other than the Retirement option.

Do you really think Oakland will franchise him after he sits out 10 weeks? KNOWING that hes going to sit out another 10 weeks? Teams can't afford to act out of spite like that. They'll end up paying $30+M for Seymour to play 18 games max.

If they do tag him, it will be to trade him.

 

[Synovia]

Yup, there's a pretty large precedent for trades being voided on account of failed physicals. So yeah, if he doesn't report, that's probably their out,

Not reporting and failing the physical are completely different things.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Do you really think Oakland will franchise him after he sits out 10 weeks? KNOWING that hes going to sit out another 10 weeks? Teams can't afford to act out of spite like that. They'll end up paying $30+M for Seymour to play 18 games max.

If they do tag him, it will be to trade him.

If they tag him and he doesn't report they don't have to pay him though. He would again only get paid for the weeks he actually showed up to play.

 

[BelichickFan]

Take the physical. sit out till week 10 play the 7 games and become an ufa

No, that only works for a Franchised player who hasn't signed. Seymour has a signed contract. The frequently mentioned 5 day letter REQUIRES him to show up (i.e. NOT SIT OUT) for he misses a year without accruing a year towards free agency.

 

[Synovia]

Where is the resource that confirms the Browns lied about any injury? And for that matter, if he was injured enough to fail a physical why did the Dolphins pick him up and hold him for a month?

Suggs has a bad knee. It was clearly not disclosed in the trade.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Yup, there's a pretty large precedent for trades being voided on account of failed physicals. So yeah, if he doesn't report, that's probably their out, although considering that he was playing in the preseason, and all of the scrutiny surrounding the situation, it wouldn't surprise me if they tread delicately so it doesn't look like they're just trying to sink the deal. Who knows...

It's not their out since they have recourse to compel him to report and then there are consequences that provide them some relief if he still refuses like retaining his rights and persuing his bonus money.

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

If anyone thinks Al Davis is going to simply send Seymour a 5 day letter at some point, and say to himself "Them's the breaks, my bad" if Seymour fails to report afterward, they don't know much about Davis.

 

[Synovia]

No, that only works for a Franchised player who hasn't signed. Seymour has a signed contract. The frequently mentioned 5 day letter REQUIRES him to show up (i.e. NOT SIT OUT) for he misses a year without accruing a year towards free agency.

It requires him to show up and take the physical, and report. He can then hold out like any other player. Once he shows up, he can no longer be put on the 'did-not-show-up-reserve-list'

 

[Synovia]

If anyone thinks Al Davis is going to simply send Seymour a 5 day letter at some point, and say to himself "Them's the breaks, my bad" if Seymour fails to report afterward. They don't know much about Davis.

Nobody thinks Al Davis is just gonna take it. The point is, he can ***** all he wants, but theres nothing he can actually do that doesn't involve some physician losing his license.

 

[Synovia]

If they tag him and he doesn't report they don't have to pay him though. He would again only get paid for the weeks he actually showed up to play.

Correct. He still chews up cap though.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Suggs has a bad knee. It was clearly not disclosed in the trade.

I think if a physical was truly questionable it would like most things in the league go to an arbitrator. Cleveland knew he was damaged goods. The other team probably did too but either balked at the extent of the damage or had second thoughts and used that to mail. At this level they are all damaged...depends on how well they play in spite of it.

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

Nobody thinks Al Davis is just gonna take it. The point is, he can ***** all he wants, but theres nothing he can actually do that doesn't involve some physician losing his license.

Why would a physician lose his license?

It is the team that sets the standard for what they require to be physically fit enough for the player they are getting. One doctors opinion does not mean another must have the same. Particularly when they are under private employment with one of the most sue happy owners around.

Now, I think Davis wants Seymour bad and will give him plenty of time. But I also think the sooner that Seymour gets there the better.

 

[BelichickFan]

It requires him to show up and take the physical, and report. He can then hold out like any other player. Once he shows up, he can no longer be put on the 'did-not-show-up-reserve-list'

That's messed up but it does dictate that it's in his best interest to show up and take the physical. Until then he has no power once the letter is sent.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

If anyone thinks Al Davis is going to simply send Seymour a 5 day letter at some point, and say to himself "Them's the breaks, my bad" if Seymour fails to report afterward. They don't know much about Davis.

Oh I realize Al would likey decide to sue everyone in the NFL over his own ineptitude, but just like the last time after a decade or so he'd lose that case too. And by then Seymour will be on the wrong side of 40...

 

[Synovia]

Why would a physician lose his license?

It is the team that sets the standard for what they require to be physically fit enough for the player they are getting. One doctors opinion does not mean another must have the same. Particularly when they are under private employment with one of the most sue happy owners around.

Now, I think Davis wants Seymour bad and will give him plenty of time. But I also think the sooner that Seymour gets there the better.

It would require a physician to lose his license because you'd need to find one to lie and say Seymour isn't healthy. Seymour is in good playing shape at this point. If the raiders rejected the physical, we'll see a suit.

Suggs had a blown knee. They're not related situations.

 

[BradyFTW!]

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Did the league get involved in that case too? Not that I can remember.