Reiss thinks Brady maybe hurt more then Pats letting on

[BradyFTW!]

Damn, missed the game last night because the wildfire in Rancho Palos Verdes knocked out TV and internet for 2 days (was lucky not to get evacuated). As inconvenient as the whole fire situation was, logging in to this sucks much, much worse.

 

[RayClay]

Believe what? Because Reiss believes it, its fact?

Its just more negative speculation, from Bostons negative media.

You guys make Reiss out to be a saint.

Heres what I know about Reiss, he is not a Pats fan,and he is getting paid to wildly speculate,negativity sells. He is no better than Borges,Shank,or Ryan.His digs at the team are just more subtle because hes their beat reporter and needs to not upset the apple cart. But he always underestimates the team;always.

A not so wise man once made a wise statement,"The negativity in this town sucks!"

Heres what else I know while Brady was on the sideline he rotated his arm 360 degrees , so his shoulder was not separated even a little.

Even the Heralds beat reporter Rappoport hasnt been as negative about Brady, he said Galloway talked to him and he said he was fine.

So you guys can worship at the feet of Reiss all you want,but this guy aint buying it.

Welcome back Tom. How's Vegas?

 

[RayClay]

Reiss knows what he's doing and that's showing ESPN that he's got what it takes.

There you go, media ho for hire.

Sorry, I usually take Mike for having sources, but this is just speculation, in my opinion.

Collarbone? Spinning your arm around like a windwill isn't one of the things I thought of trying when I broke mine.

 

[SteveBsFan]

There you go, media ho for hire.

Sorry, I usually take Mike for having sources, but this is just speculation, in my opinion.

Collarbone? Spinning your arm around like a windwill isn't one of the things I thought of trying when I broke mine.

Agreed. I split mine in half (playing football ironically) and knew it right away. Went right to hospital and couldn't move my arm well for weeks. You're not sitting on the sideline rotating your arm 360 and warming up.

Broken collarbone is 100% out of the question imho.

I'm thinking it's just banged up, and he'll still be on the field opening day.

 

[PromisedLand]

Even he just plays for 3 plays, it will still show people that he is capable of going on the field and maybe it will give some people the relief to see him out on the field, even if it's for very, very limited time.

BB doesn't care about giving people relief. You need look no farther than last preseason when Brady didn't play because he was still nursing the ankle injury that he suffered in the AFC Championship game - or whatever. When the real season rolled around he was on the field (even if it was for less than a quarter, but that has nothing to do with my point).

If Brady is even the slightest bit "sore" next week he will not play, and we will have little idea of whether he will be taking snaps week 1, probably until the day of the game when the inactives are announced.

 

[Oceanviewer1]

I can't believe he's on the bench after the hit moving his right shoulder in a circular motion if he has a serious injury. I wish people would stop speculating and wait for the facts.

 

[BrianPat]

Not sure it's as serious as perceived

Belichick made these comments at the 4pm concall

"Tom had a desire to play, but we made a football decision to play other players because I think we need to see them at that position, and make an evaluation there. That’s what I’m saying.”

If we're to take him at his word, Tom wanted to play ! Would Tom want to play in a preseason game with a shoulder issue ? Belichick says the reason Tom didn't play was so they could look at other players. Unless he's intentionally being misleading to the point of lying, Tom's fine.

Well that's how I choose to perceive it for now.

 

[PromisedLand]

I had a shoulder dislocation. Brady wouldn't have been moving his arm much at all if that had been the case. Same with a separation. I think that, at most, he strained a muscles of muscles, because, even with a body in peak form, there is still a high level of pain associated with tears and damage in the shoulder area. It's something he would be hard-placed to hide on the sidelines.

I'm not a doctor, just speaking from my own personal experience which, along with $5.00, will get me a cuppa Joe at Starbucks..

A separation and a dislocation are two entirely different things. They don't even involve the same joint. A separation is a stretching or tearin of the ligaments of the AC joint - between the clavicle and the acromium process of the scapula. This is a joint that most people don't even know they have unless they hurt it. A dislocation is in the actual shoulder joint.

PS the amount of pain all depends on the degree of separation, if it in fact is a separation. A mild separation will just involve tolerable pain in the AC joint, and in my personal experience (because I had that injury) not prevent someone from raising the arm over the head or rotating it. And it will heal on its own in a couple of weeks.

BTW, some of you "longer term" Pats fans may remember Drew Bledsoe falling just like Brady did on his right shoulder and getting a mild separation. He was back in a couple of weeks. I am not saying that is what happened to Brady but it seems to be a possibility.

 

[Disco Volante]

Reiss is a reporter like Shank and Ryan and Borges. They dont like our team, they want bad things to happen to our team. It sells papers and generates hits on their site.

Yeah, that's just false.

A 5-11 Patriots team is not going to generate more interest than a 14-2 Patriots team.

 

[upstater1]

A separation and a dislocation are two entirely different things. They don't even involve the same joint. A separation is a stretching or tearin of the ligaments of the AC joint - between the clavicle and the acromium process of the scapula. This is a joint that most people don't even know they have unless they hurt it. A dislocation is in the actual shoulder joint.

PS the amount of pain all depends on the degree of separation, if it in fact is a separation. A mild separation will just involve tolerable pain in the AC joint, and in my personal experience (because I had that injury) not prevent someone from raising the arm over the head or rotating it. And it will heal on its own in a couple of weeks.

BTW, some of you "longer term" Pats fans may remember Drew Bledsoe falling just like Brady did on his right shoulder and getting a mild separation. He was back in a couple of weeks. I am not saying that is what happened to Brady but it seems to be a possibility.

I'm hoping it's not that because that's a horrible injury for QBs. Every QB that comes back from that shows horrible accuracy, most often drilling balls into the ground. Drew had his worst games ever that season when he came back from that injury. I've been watching how QBs do when they come back from that, and I've yet to see a QB who goes back to being his old self.

 

[Scouse Patriot]

Tom was stretching and working the arm on the sideline afterwards so it's obviously not serious, he's more than likely sprained the ligaments a little and he'll be a little stiff there for a few days.

Christ, it's football guys...You can't wrap Brady in cotton wool forever.

 

[spacecrime]

Ian - People said the same thing about Tom Curran when Curran ran the story about Brady back in March. And Curran ended up eating a lot of crow on that.

I would be very surprised if Brady dislocated his shoulder or broke his collarbone.

Reiss didn't say it was a dislocated shoulder or a broken collarbone. Reiss said that he thought it was more serious than BB is saying (BB is saying that Brady has bumps and bruises like everyone else).

 

[WhoaDirty]

Realistic is just what people say instead of pessimistic. He picks this team to have less wins than it ends up having every year, so hes not being realistic.

More likely conservative than pessimistic.

I have no animosity to Reiss, I also have no animosity to lions or bears. They do what is in their nature. Lions kill, Bears kill, Reporters,thrive on bad news even if they have to create it.

Mussolinni only looks good standing next to Hitler and Stalin.

You have no animosity towards Reiss but you compare him to Mussolinni? Yeah, you're definitely not a troll ...

 

[jcdavey]

i'm telling you now, IF it's a serious injury, it's only going to be a torn labrum, and not as serious (IMO) as the one brees sufferred in 05

i hope he's not injured, that sucks for anyone, especially for a guy who just missed an entire season

 

[PatsWSB47]

Tom was stretching and working the arm on the sideline afterwards so it's obviously not serious, he's more than likely sprained the ligaments a little and he'll be a little stiff there for a few days.

Christ, it's football guys...You can't wrap Brady in cotton wool forever.

He not only did that he threw the ball too before the third quarter started which was after the rotating his arm scene shown a million times now, BTW. I recorded the game and he clearly threw it with no apparent pain or difficulty. I've watched it a dozen times now. He's fine as far as I can tell from that. I think if NFLN and ESPN are purposely ignoring the throwing video to create some drama. Belichick is playing right into it too

 

[2000army]

Ok I watched the replay 10 times ..... Brady went to the bench ... and was talking to Fred Taylor and teammates ... not 1 trainer.

 

[VrabelMayeWin]

On Patriots Planet, Michigan Dave who's friends with Tommy said he got a text message from THE MAN saying "OK". I think we're gonna dodge a bullet on this one.

 

[DeSi_PatzGal]

Bill Belichick on Tom Brady - Reiss' Pieces - Boston.com

Reiss's reply on one comment
4-Mike, do you still feel the injury is worse than what the Patriots are leading on? Posted by Josh August 29, 09 04:47 PM

Hi Josh. I'd just start out by saying that I don't know what's wrong with Brady. I thought it was precautionary last night. When I got home today and watched the play over again, it was worse than I expected and part of that is just how big and powerful Haynesworth is and the position of Brady's right arm. I think the Patriots planned to play Brady into the third quarter and deviated from that plan. I also think that if it was purely a football decision to keep Brady out in the second half, then he would have been on the sideline helping his fellow quarterbacks. I am assuming he went for x-rays for a closer look. At this point, it's possible that the Patriots don't even know the extent of it. ... Ryan, I would not expect to see Brady play against the Giants. ... Matt, I think we keep asking because we are trying to serve our readers and Patriots fans. If we didn't, we wouldn't be doing our jobs.
--Mike

 

[Ian]

Believe what? Because Reiss believes it, its fact?

Its just more negative speculation, from Bostons negative media.

You guys make Reiss out to be a saint.

Heres what I know about Reiss, he is not a Pats fan,and he is getting paid to wildly speculate,negativity sells. He is no better than Borges,Shank,or Ryan.His digs at the team are just more subtle because hes their beat reporter and needs to not upset the apple cart. But he always underestimates the team;always.

A not so wise man once made a wise statement,"The negativity in this town sucks!"

Heres what else I know while Brady was on the sideline he rotated his arm 360 degrees , so his shoulder was not separated even a little.

Even the Heralds beat reporter Rappoport hasnt been as negative about Brady, he said Galloway talked to him and he said he was fine.

So you guys can worship at the feet of Reiss all you want,but this guy aint buying it.

I don't believe him because he's a saint. I believe him because his reputation has given me a reason to. He's objective and always researches his facts before he reports them, and he also doesn't sensationalize a story. It's simple: he's not interested in himself - he's interested in providing us with the information we're looking for. He's not being negative - he's voicing an opinion and would probably be the first to tell you he doesn't know for sure.

I said "I'd be surprised if he didn't break his collarbone or separate his shoulder" based on what I saw - that was my opinion - not Mike's. I obviously have no idea and am certainly hoping there is no issue heading into the season.

If you're going to participate in a thread please make sure you read the entire thread prior to posting. If you're going to talk about a reporter's integrity - please also make sure you know all the facts about a person before you throw out a post like this.

Sorry if I'm being a bit tough on you - but this one rubbed me the wrong way.

 

[Ian]

Reiss didn't say it was a dislocated shoulder or a broken collarbone.

That's right - for the record - I was the one who said that. Apparently my speculation is causing a lot of trouble here. Good to know - since I'm not a media person and am just as out of the know as everyone in here, yet Mike is taking the heat for my comment by some of the other posters here. I'm sure he'll be thrilled

Reiss said that he thought it was more serious than BB is saying (BB is saying that Brady has bumps and bruises like everyone else).

I think there's a lot of us who are concerned that it's more serious than they're letting on. So I think (my speculation from earlier aside) that we're all probably somewhat in agreement with that.