Peppers trade rumor on the radio

[CrazyDave]

It's ALL a crap shoot. Matt Cassel is no more a sure thing than the top 20 picks in this draft. IMO his value is around that of a mid 1st at BEST. He's not worth giving up on a "potential" future Ray Lewis or Jonathan Ogden for IMO.

Have to disagree here.
Matt Cassell has played successfully in the NFL.
That's a sure thing.
Comparing him to a potential Lewis or Ogden, well I just don't get it.
Cassell is better than 50% of the QB's in the league - period.

 

[JSn]

Time for some logic math:

Pioli agreed with Bill that Matt was the #2 and that there would be no vet to come and "save the day".

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Pioli was chosen largely because of his body of work with the Patriots to run the Chiefs.

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If Pioli goes after Matt, he has confidence in him. The owners have confidence in Pioli. If Scott goes after Cassel the whole league will know that he is believed to be the real deal.


The idea that he won't do it because it looks bad is silly. If each team gets what they want, it's win/win. In these cases, a tie is acceptable. Just don't tell McNabb, hehe.

 

[fgssand]

Have to disagree here.
Matt Cassell has played successfully in the NFL.
That's a sure thing.
Comparing him to a potential Lewis or Ogden, well I just don't get it.
Cassell is better than 50% of the QB's in the league - period.

Actually I think you under valed MC a bit....for those that do not think he is at least better than 50% of the starting QB's today......please name 16 that are better.

 

[mgcolby]

It's ALL a crap shoot. Matt Cassel is no more a sure thing than the top 20 picks in this draft. IMO his value is around that of a mid 1st at BEST. He's not worth giving up on a "potential" future Ray Lewis or Jonathan Ogden for IMO.

Your logic makes no sense. Yeah you have the potential to get the "future Ray Lewis or Jonathan Ogden", but you also have the "potential" to get the future Mike Mamula or Eugene Chung.

And given the fact that he has been successful as a starter in the NFL makes him more of a sure bet over any future draft pick at any position.

 

[ScottieC]

Actually I think you under valed MC a bit....for those that do not think he is at least better than 50% of the starting QB's today......please name 16 that are better.

Brady
Manning
Rivers
Brees
Warner
Wothlessburger
Cutler
McNabb
Palmer
Romo


Nope, Can't do it.

 

[signbabybrady]

Actually I think you under valed MC a bit....for those that do not think he is at least better than 50% of the starting QB's today......please name 16 that are better.

So in theory there should be 16 teams getting in line for a trade.

 

[CrazyDave]

As Rod Blagojevic would say, "I got this thing, and it's f*ckin golden".
"You don't just give it away."

 

[ScottieC]

So in theory there should be 16 teams getting in line for a trade.

No, two words: Exisiting Contracts.

You think the Raiders would like The Cassel? Yup. Can they afford him? Nope.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

Well we can almost make a thread out of this. Arms? What the hell does he know about arms? Here is a list of the potential starting QB's in the NFL (not including Brady) and where their "gun" should rate. Cassel is without question in the top ten. I wish Elmer Fudd Clayton would look at this so he can straighten out his thought process instead of holding it on "dumb ass". Where did he pull that weak armed crap out of? His head....... probably because it is up his.....anal cavity. I wonder if he has ever watched an NFL football game.
Please tell me where if any of these arms, that you disagree with. Many are rated where they are because of the arm they have today, not five years ago. I tried to be objective. I had trouble between Big Ben and Cassel.
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1- Joe Flacco- Baltimore Ravens
2- JaMarcus Russell- Oakland Raiders
3- Jay Cutler- Denver Broncos
4- Tony Romo- Dallas Cowboys
5- Kurt Warner- Arizona Cardinals
6- Carson Palmer- Cincinnati Bengals
7- Peyton Manning- Indianapolis Colts
8- Ben Roethlisberger- Pittsburgh Steelers
9- Matt Cassel- New England Patriots
10- Matt Ryan- Atlanta Falcons
11- Donovan McNabb- Philadelphia Eagles
12- Matt Hassleback- Seattle Seahawks
13- Matt Schaub- Houston Texans
14- Tarvaris Jackson- Minnesota Vikings
15- Marc Bulger- St. Louis Rams
16- Kerry Collins - Tennessee Titans
17- Dante Culpepper- Detroit Lions
18- David Garrard- Jacksonville Jaguars
19- Phillip Rivers- San Diego Chargers
20- Trent Edwards- Buffalo Bills
21- Drew Brees- New Orleans Saints
22- Brett Ratliff- New York Jets
23- Jason Campbell- Washington Redskins
24- Tyler Thigpen- Kansas City Chiefs
25- Shaun Hill-San Francisco 49ers
26- Brady Quinn- Cleveland Browns
27- Aaron Rogers- Green Bay Packers
28- Jake Dellhomme- Carolina Panthers
29- Eli Manning- New York Giants
30- Kyle Orton- Chicago Bears
31- Jeff Garcia- Tampa Bay Buccaneers
32- Chad Pennington- Miami Dolphins

that list looks pretty good and it's all subjective, but i might put quinn and rodgers a little higher.

 

[DW Toys]

If you're dealing with the very team that made you who you are and you just came from? yeah I do. And we're talking about a lot more than just a QB choice. This a franchise make or break move. If Cassel becomes the next Scott Mitchell than Pioli's cooked in about 5 years from now.

So what if Stafford is Ryan Leaf or Curry is Lavar Arrington? What is the difference. One is proven and one not. End of story.
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[DW Toys]

I'm talking about if it doesn't pan out 3 years from now. Knowing that he's a former GM of the Pats only puts more pressure on him if he goes with Cassel. But either way he'll be judged on the decision he makes at QB.

Bakes, Pioli drafted the kid!... He knows more about him than any of these others. If his reputation or status will be affected as you say, all the more reason to take Cassel over an unknown kid you are breaking the vault for. If you have seen the combine, White is the best QB and he is a WR in the pros .Sanchez rots. Stafford won't even throw...why not!
Cassels stock is rising so that must be disappointing to you.
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[bakes781]

So what if Stafford is Ryan Leaf or Curry is Lavar Arrington? What is the difference. One is proven and one not. End of story.

Like I said it's a crap shoot either way. I agree that Cassel is a safer bet than Stafford/Sanchez. But not necessarily a safer bet than Aaron Curry or Jason Smith.

Cassels stock is rising so that must be disappointing to you.
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Why would that be disappointing? Just because I don't look at everything thru red and blue shaded glasses doesn't mean I don't want whats best for the team. I like to be objective and rational that's all!

 

[DW Toys]

Like I said it's a crap shoot either way. I agree that Cassel is a safer bet than Stafford/Sanchez. But not necessarily a safer bet than Aaron Curry or Jason Smith.



Why would that be disappointing? Just because I don't look at everything thru red and blue shaded glasses doesn't mean I don't want whats best for the team. I like to be objective and rational that's all!

Young man, you do have an agenda here. Can we have some amens on that?
Smith and Curry are great safe picks. Safe is good if you are fearing what you are trying to accomplish may be a failure. A team with no QB is a dead team. Put that in your sermons to remember for another day.
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