I'm still proud of Cassel

[BradyToMoss]

SO....you think O'connell or Garcia wouldhave meant we score 39 points to top the Dolphins.

Change QB's, all will be fine - defensive or offensive line play doesn' mean a thing...

Changing the QB is a start, I know the defense has some issues, those BB will correct, Matt Cassel, I'm sorry BB cannot correct. He is what he is. 4 years in the system and that guy has actually regressed during that time. Do you know that his best football was played during the preseason his first year? He has gone downhill ever since. Can you imagine what Kevin O'Connell would be like right now with that much time in our offense ?

Let's not fool ourselves into believing that Matt Cassel can take us deep into the playoffs, that's not happening, homer or no homer, I don't think anyone can honestly have confidence in this guy based on what we've seen.

I am predicting that a change will take place after game 5, BB will lose all patience with Cassel by that point.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Did last year skew your memory that much? This isn't the first time the patriots have ever looked like absolute trash against an inferior team. I am beginning to think that people believe the 2007 Patriots are the only measuring tool. Perspective people, perspective

Matt Cassel did not give up the 38 points, but please, there is no rose colored glasses here folks.. The D is missing something, thank god we outcoached the jets and Chiefs.. This team needs something.. I know Cassel is a easy target, he did not lose the game ,but then again he did not help us win either..

 

[emoney_33]

Changing the QB is a start, I know the defense has some issues, those BB will correct, Matt Cassel, I'm sorry BB cannot correct. He is what he is. 4 years in the system and that guy has actually regressed during that time. Do you know that his best football was played during the preseason his first year? He has gone downhill ever since. Can you imagine what Kevin O'Connell would be like right now with that much time in our offense ?

It's a shame 2007 was the first NFL season for so many "fans" of the patriots.

 

[emoney_33]

Matt Cassel did not give up the 38 points, but please, there is no rose colored glasses here folks.. The D is missing something, thank god we outcoached the jets and Chiefs.. This team needs something.. I know Cassel is a easy target, he did not lose the game ,but then again he did not help us win either..

03' bills beat us 31-0. Terrible game all over. Patriots won the superbowl that year and played great defense.

The Dolphins gameplanned this week for a superbowl, the patriots did not. Maybe a lot of the patriots players took this game for granted. The Dolphins came out with a good game plan executed by a very efficient QB and some tricky 2-back option plays that there is no film on from the Dolphins. Tough to be prepared for things that you haven't seen before, especially in week 3 against a bad team.

**** happens though, you go back to the film room, make your adjustments and move on. One game does not a damn season make.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

It's a shame 2007 was the first NFL season for so many "fans" of the patriots.

Amen.

Hell, I think just about everyone now thinks that the Patriots had always played like they did in 2007.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

03' bills beat us 31-0. Terrible game all over. Patriots won the superbowl that year and played great defense.

The Dolphins gameplanned this week for a superbowl, the patriots did not. Maybe a lot of the patriots players took this game for granted. The Dolphins came out with a good game plan executed by a very efficient QB and some tricky 2-back option plays that there is no film on from the Dolphins. Tough to be prepared for things that you haven't seen before, especially in week 3 against a bad team.

**** happens though, you go back to the film room, make your adjustments and move on. One game does not a damn season make.

So a rookie head coach , who had 3 games experience out coached our hof coach who is the most prepared coach and makes the best adjustments out of any coach in the nfl.. Please.. I dont buy it, I know 1 game does not make the season,but if you dont think this was a pitiful performence by a team that is considered , even with out tom brady , one of the best in the leauge, then I guess its just dumb luck.. The D needs alot of work folks, Cassel will do what he can.. But unless the D improves, 8-8 will be lucky..

 

[carolinatony]

The O line has to play better or Cassel will not do anything. There is no running game either. That's not the defense.
We can't except to win every game without Brady 9-6. We meed to score TD's and its up to the OL to block.

 

[D-Money]

I think the defense will be fine.I think they will bounce back against the 49ers.My concern is really the offense.You really think we gonna continue to win games when your offense cant score over 20 points?Quit talking about 2001 and how we won those games.This defense will have its good moments and bad moments.

 

[emoney_33]

So a rookie head coach , who had 3 games experience out coached our hof coach who is the most prepared coach and makes the best adjustments out of any coach in the nfl.. Please.. I dont buy it, I know 1 game does not make the season,but if you dont think this was a pitiful performence by a team that is considered , even with out tom brady , one of the best in the leauge, then I guess its just dumb luck.. The D needs alot of work folks, Cassel will do what he can.. But unless the D improves, 8-8 will be lucky..

Uhh yea it happens, BB does get outcoached sometimes. He's amazing, but he's not friggin perfect. I mean hell, what do you think other teams just quit and don't even try to develop a gameplan because ya know BB is perfect, so no matter what they decide he already knows?

And we've played 3 games, how come in the 2 games the D played GOOD we forget about it but the ONE game the whole team plays bad they are terrible and a huge concern and no better than 8-8?

Are you looking for a perfect team to follow?

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Uhh yea it happens, BB does get outcoached sometimes. He's amazing, but he's not friggin perfect. I mean hell, what do you think other teams just quit and don't even try to develop a gameplan because ya know BB is perfect, so no matter what they decide he already knows?

And we've played 3 games, how come in the 2 games the D played GOOD we forget about it but the ONE game the whole team plays bad they are terrible and a huge concern and no better than 8-8?

Are you looking for a perfect team to follow?

No I want a team to play well and beat teams they are suppose to beat, and if we lose, Im not going to sit back and say oh its ok we lost to a team that won 1 game in 21 tries, and got blown out home in the process.. This team was no going undefeated with or with out Brady, but It should play better then it did today.. The D did not play great against KC , it played ok against the Jets, but no where near good today.. Please can we agree on that.. The team cant hide its defensive faults , not this yr.. Its old in the lb and the secondary is a work in progress.. Miami is not this good folks.. sorry..

 

[D-Money]

Did this even attempt a blitz?Sooner or later we will need to start getting younger at LB.I do agree, miami is not this good.I also cant believe we score 13 points against this horrific defense.

 

[emoney_33]

No I want a team to play well and beat teams they are suppose to beat, and if we lose, Im not going to sit back and say oh its ok we lost to a team that won 1 game in 21 tries, and got blown out home in the process.. This team was no going undefeated with or with out Brady, but It should play better then it did today.. The D did not play great against KC , it played ok against the Jets, but no where near good today.. Please can we agree on that.. The team cant hide its defensive faults , not this yr.. Its old in the lb and the secondary is a work in progress.. Miami is not this good folks.. sorry..

Find me a team that beat every single team it was favored to or "supposed" to beat other than the 2007 Patriots...

Every team loses to teams it should have beat and beats teams it should have lost to. It is the NFL and on any given Sunday...


The "old" argument again. Bruschi is the only really "old" player in the LB and he is playing damn fine this year. The secondary isn't perfect but it is pretty solid already. The defense has a lot of talent and more youth than you give credit for. It will be fine this year.

They had a bad game... IT HAPPENS.

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

Uhh yea it happens, BB does get outcoached sometimes. He's amazing, but he's not friggin perfect. I mean hell, what do you think other teams just quit and don't even try to develop a gameplan because ya know BB is perfect, so no matter what they decide he already knows?

And we've played 3 games, how come in the 2 games the D played GOOD we forget about it but the ONE game the whole team plays bad they are terrible and a huge concern and no better than 8-8?

Are you looking for a perfect team to follow?

Look I expected things to be inconsitent, but not like this .. a 21-17 loss would be better to take.. I think we are in for a inconsitant season, we knew that 2 weeks ago, but its just frustrating , and what sucks even more this is going to have to be stewed over for 2 weeks..

 

[ctpatsfan77]

No I want a team to play well and beat teams they are suppose to beat, and if we lose, Im not going to sit back and say oh its ok we lost to a team that won 1 game in 21 tries, and got blown out home in the process.. This team was no going undefeated with or with out Brady, but It should play better then it did today.. The D did not play great against KC , it played ok against the Jets, but no where near good today.. Please can we agree on that.. The team cant hide its defensive faults , not this yr.. Its old in the lb and the secondary is a work in progress.. Miami is not this good folks.. sorry..

I don't think anyone--myself included--thinks that "everything is perfectly OK." It's just that some of us aren't convinced the Pats are headed for a top 5 draft pick next year, either.

That said, NO TEAM ever wins every game they're supposed to win. The Patriots have just defied the odds so many times that we've come to expect it. Case in point: from 2001 to 2007, the Patriots blew exactly ONE regular-season fourth-quarter lead. Every other NFL team blew at least SEVEN in that same time span.

Was this loss embarrassing? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean that this team is definitely going to lose every game from here on out, either.

 

[Deus Irae]

No I want a team to play well and beat teams they are suppose to beat, and if we lose, Im not going to sit back and say oh its ok we lost to a team that won 1 game in 21 tries, and got blown out home in the process.. This team was no going undefeated with or with out Brady, but It should play better then it did today.. The D did not play great against KC , it played ok against the Jets, but no where near good today.. Please can we agree on that.. The team cant hide its defensive faults , not this yr.. Its old in the lb and the secondary is a work in progress.. Miami is not this good folks.. sorry..

There's nothing wrong with being disappointed about today's game. The problem is that people here, yourself included, seem to have forgotten that this happens pretty much every year, for every NFL team. Only 2 teams in NFL history have had perfect regular seasons in 14 or 16 schedules.

 

[mossisboss]

There is no excuse except lack of talent for Cassel's play.

I look at 2nd year Trent Edwards team (3-0), I look at Tony Romo after hardly not playing his first 3 seasons, I look at Drew Bress who struggled with the Chargers until his 4th season.

Cassell is no Trent Edwards. Cassell is no Drew Brees. Cassell is no Tony Romo.

Cassell doesn't throw down field often enough. Cassell doesn't look off his recievers often enough. Cassell is limited to a dink-and-dunk offense because I think he lacks the talent.

If he wasn't good enough to start at USC, he's not going to be good enough to start in the NFL.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

There is no excuse except lack of talent for Cassel's play.

I look at 2nd year Trent Edwards team (3-0), I look at Tony Romo after hardly not playing his first 3 seasons, I look at Drew Bress who struggled with the Chargers until his 4th season.

Cassell is no Trent Edwards. Cassell is no Drew Brees. Cassell is no Tony Romo.

Cassell doesn't throw down field often enough. Cassell doesn't look off his recievers often enough. Cassell is limited to a dink-and-dunk offense because I think he lacks the talent.

If he wasn't good enough to start at USC, he's not going to be good enough to start in the NFL.

Look at Peyton Manning - two pick sixes today - including one just thrown into triple coverage. Garrard was pick free last season and has 4 so far this season (and their game ain't over yet...).

We should trade for which ever one of these guys loses today since they have lots of starting experience. If not maybe we could get Carson Palmer or Matt Leinart who both started at USC but might just be available soon...

 

[Deus Irae]

There is no excuse except lack of talent for Cassel's play.

I look at 2nd year Trent Edwards team (3-0), I look at Tony Romo after hardly not playing his first 3 seasons, I look at Drew Bress who struggled with the Chargers until his 4th season.

Cassell is no Trent Edwards. Cassell is no Drew Brees. Cassell is no Tony Romo.

Cassell doesn't throw down field often enough. Cassell doesn't look off his recievers often enough. Cassell is limited to a dink-and-dunk offense because I think he lacks the talent.

If he wasn't good enough to start at USC, he's not going to be good enough to start in the NFL.

Is your name Bliss, by any chance?

 

[MassPats38]

So a rookie head coach , who had 3 games experience out coached our hof coach who is the most prepared coach and makes the best adjustments out of any coach in the nfl.. Please.. I dont buy it, I know 1 game does not make the season,but if you dont think this was a pitiful performence by a team that is considered , even with out tom brady , one of the best in the leauge, then I guess its just dumb luck.. The D needs alot of work folks, Cassel will do what he can.. But unless the D improves, 8-8 will be lucky..

In 2003 in the loss to the Bills, it was Gregg Williams in his third year who had a career record of 11-21. The Patriots came out flat and the Bills took them apart according to their game plan. Outcoached? Yes. Even Belichick admits that happens occasionally. And Tom Brady was a big part of that beatdown.

2004 had a similar feel with injuries, and many fans were saying the team was done and wrong in doing so. 2005 saw more injuries but the team started clicking near the end of the season.

If this team has proved anything in its 5 consecutive trips to the postseason, it is that deficiencies are typically correctable. People were crowing about the defense last week, now it is a glaring weakness. Are the Jets better than Miami? They beat the Fish then lost to the Patriots.

Before you start ringing the bell of doom for the Patriots this season, you may want to review history and wait for a second loss in the 16 game season. At that point you will have a little more empirical evidence to support your conclusion than potentially a single very bad game.

 

[jetophile]

That's a nice sentiment. The Jets almost made me eat a box of razors last week. The Jets suck. We get it. I get it. Yet you lost to Miami. I'm laughing. Hard.