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I am going to try to respond to the parts in bold.

You simply said you or other people wouldnt respond because somebody mixed in a poke at an event that happened. I just meant if you cant take a little poke in the ribs over something that did, in fact, happen when the rest of the post is just banter and facts, I dont know that you would be a good person to get a response from.

I believe you can have a friendly and intelligent discussion while being fans of opposing teams and poking each other in the ribs about it...just dont slap each other across the face. Like you could say the Falcons suck. They have throughout most of their existence. Just dont go on and on about it and with supporting facts after I have already acknowledged "you got me there." Thats just my take. I try to respect other peoples forums but take a poke and give a poke here and there.

To the last part, I am actually now interested in both (discussing the game and the Belichick/cheating incident). It sounded like "upstate" had hardcore evidence that Belichick did not cheat and that I was dead wrong. I admit, being a fan of an NFC South team the Belichick case wasnt bookmarked for me to get daily updates as the case progressed. I only know what I pretty much heard on sports talk as it progressed and was closed. It was one of the shadiest things I had heard (especially how the NFL destroyed the evidence). If I am wrong I certainly would like to be educated so that I dont make the mistake again. I wont change my stance just because you said I was wrong, but if facts persuade me otherwise, I will not only change my viewpoint going forward by I will apologize for being wrong to begin with!

I like JMT57's idea of a separate thread for those who want to discuss not game related issues and past history. Personally, I don't. That's a painful issue from the past, and has been dealt with. Again, the reasoning behind my original "recommendation" (and that's all it was) was that using such terms would upset people on this site, cause people to label you, and distract from construction discussion and analysis. That's all. I'm perfectly capable of taking some ribbing. We dish a lot of it out to each other on this site, particularly when there's a background of respect and no one gets too upset.
 
Oh...had been meaning to ask. How do you guys feel about losing Seymore?

I'm guessing you LOVE getting a #1 pick for a guy who may not have been back next year anyway...and that it will probably be a top 10 pick (dumbass Al Davis)...but that you REALLY wish you still had his pass rush in there right now. Looks like hes playing his ass off for Oakland. Maybe hes one of the main reasons they arent one of the WORST team in the NFL thus far.

I'm sure this could go in a thread by itself, but I dont want to cloud it up too much more with my question.
 
Sorry, but I had another question too...

What the hell is up with the Pats having a NO DRINKING SECTION??!! Boston is supposed to be the most American city...and the home of the 'always a good decision' Samuel Adams?!

I know you guys have had a ton of success over the last decade, but do you not even require alcohol?! With some of the years/games I have endured at the Georgia Dome, we are better off with a two drink minimum!

I couldnt believe my eyes when a friend told me he had purchased tickets to go to the game but failed to read the fine print. He feels duped. Do you guys all point and laugh at the idiots in that section(s) at a certain point of the game and shake your beers at them or what?
 
Oh...had been meaning to ask. How do you guys feel about losing Seymore?

I'm guessing you LOVE getting a #1 pick for a guy who may not have been back next year anyway...and that it will probably be a top 10 pick (dumbass Al Davis)...but that you REALLY wish you still had his pass rush in there right now. Looks like hes playing his ass off for Oakland. Maybe hes one of the main reasons they arent one of the WORST team in the NFL thus far.

I'm sure this could go in a thread by itself, but I dont want to cloud it up too much more with my question.

We're divided about it, as you might expect.

No question that losing Seymour is a big loss for 2009, and the first two games have made many of us REALLY wish we still had him on the DL. However, it is clear (1) that he was likely to leave after 2009, and (2) that there were some undercurrents between Seymour and the FO which may have contributed to him being traded. Add in that he is getting towards 30, may only have a few really good years left, will want a ton of money, had injuries, was inconsistent, and that we got a 2011 possibly high 1st round pick out of the deal, and it's less clear. But we definitely miss Seymour right now. No doubt about it.

Lots of threads on the subject, if you're interested. See:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...atriots-trading-richard-seymour-raiders.html
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http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...810-lets-real-about-seymours-situation.html
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ficial-thank-you-richard-seymour-thread.html
 
Actually this defense has been pretty solid at shutting down the run. Turner is a great back, but the Falcon's OL doesn't seem that great -- I'd be more concerned about White and Gonzalez.
They are a good run blocking line. Their pass blocking is good, but is really a combo of their having played together for a while, and Ryan gets rid of the ball quickly. They allowed 15 sacks last year, and set a goal of cutting that in half this year (and they talk like they think they can do it.)

As I said before, if Turner gets past the line of scrimmage he tears off big runs. I'm not talking about an extra 5 yards like most backs, we're talking 15-20 yards. He is fast, physical, and hard to tackle in the open field. Teams have tended to stack the line to stop the run against the Falcons to ensure Turner doesn't get to the second level. When teams have played stop the pass first defense is when Turner has had his 200+ yard days (I am worried the Falcons are over using him, I think he led the league in carries last year and is on pace to do it again.)

So far teams are playing to stop the run and pressure Ryan.

The Falcons also left a lot of points on the field in the first two games due to dumb penalties and some sloppy play. I don't think they can afford to do that this time. If the Pats can get their offense in sync, they should be able to put some points on the board against the Falcons' D.
 
Sorry, but I had another question too...

What the hell is up with the Pats having a NO DRINKING SECTION??!! Boston is supposed to be the most American city...and the home of the 'always a good decision' Samuel Adams?!

I know you guys have had a ton of success over the last decade, but do you not even require alcohol?! With some of the years/games I have endured at the Georgia Dome, we are better off with a two drink minimum!

I couldnt believe my eyes when a friend told me he had purchased tickets to go to the game but failed to read the fine print. He feels duped. Do you guys all point and laugh at the idiots in that section(s) at a certain point of the game and shake your beers at them or what?

.................they don't call it the "People's Republic of Massachusetts" for nuthin':singing:
 
Old Falcon fan here guys.It`s a win=win situation with this game for me.I have been a Falcon`s fan since 1968.

The Red Sox are my favorite baseball team.I look at this game as a huge test for the Falcons.You guys will be looking to bounce back after the Jets game and take it out on us..lol.

The Pats have a soft spot in my heart.My Mom is from Boston (Waltham).My Dad met her while he was in the Air Force stationed near Boston and brought her down south.I have an Uncle that drove a cab in Boston for years.

I hope its a good competitive game with no injuries for both teams.Thank you for letting me join your MB and have a beer on me if you are ever down in NC..LOL

The Robster:cool:
 
I think that this game will be a big test for the Patriots. How will the team respond? Very curious.
 
I was laying in bed last night, trying to fall asleep, and thinking about the coming Falcons game vs the Pats. There was one thing I couldnt shake. I dont see how we could stop you guys from throwing the ball. Your receivers are just too talented...compared to our DB's. You probably havent even heard of but one or two of our DB's, and thats only becaise one played for Jacksonville before (Williams) and one played for the Jets (Coleman). Chris Houston, Brent Grimes, and Thomas DeCoud are the others. Houston at least is on an NFLN commercial playing Steve Smith lol.

Randy Moss
Joey Galloway
Wes Welker***
Aiken/Edelman
Ben Watson (TE)

vs

Brian Williams (CB)
Chris Houston (CB)
Brent Grimes (Nickel CB)
Tye Hill** (CB)
Chris Owens (CB)(R)
Chevis Jackson (CB)

Erik Coleman (S)
Thomas DeCoud (S)
William Moore (R) (S)***
Antoine Harris (Bench-S)

*** Injured- may/may not play
** Still learning playbook. Uncertain if ready to play

So who wants Randy and Joey?! If Tom has any kind of an arm or any accuracy(aka, his legs back), it should be a big day passing for the Pats.
 
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I was laying in bed last night, trying to fall asleep, and thinking about the coming Falcons game vs the Pats. There was one thing I couldnt shake. I dont see how we could stop you guys from throwing the ball. Your receivers are just too talented...compared to our DB's. You probably havent even heard of but one or two of our DB's, and thats only becaise one played for Jacksonville before (Williams) and one played for the Jets (Coleman). Chris Houston, Brent Grimes, and Thomas DeCoud are the others. Houston at least is on an NFLN commercial playing Steve Smith lol.

Randy Moss
Joey Galloway
Wes Welker***
Aiken/Edelman
Ben Watson (TE)

vs

Brian Williams (CB)
Chris Houston (CB)
Brent Grimes (Nickel CB)
Tye Hill** (CB)
Chris Owens (CB)(R)
Chevis Jackson (CB)

Erik Coleman (S)
Thomas DeCoud (S)
William Moore (R) (S)***
Antoine Harris (Bench-S)

*** Injured- may/may not play
** Still learning playbook. Uncertain if ready to play

So who wants Randy and Joey?! If Tom has any kind of an arm or any accuracy(aka, his legs back), it should be a big day passing for the Pats.

I think that's a legitimate concern for you. Unless our offense stops itself, I don't see your defense having what it takes. Not enough firepower up front to really mess up Brady, and certainly not enough secondary to cover the receivers. Don't forget TE Chris Baker, either, who isn't as fast or athletic as Watson but is a solid all-around TE. Peterson and Lofton will be tackling machines and will help out, but there's not enough they can do.

Your team has been very consistent this season. I sort of feel like I know what we'll get from them. Our team, less so. If the offense plays up to it's potential and the defense puts pressure on Matt Ryan, we should win easily. If the offense doesn't execute and we don't get adequate pressure on Ryan, then we could be in for a long day.
 
What a big difference there is between Jets fans and Falcons fans.. I am stunned we are able to have a civil discussion with you guys.
 
Diagnosing the Pats defense- What to look for on Sunday. Since I dont really know your team, I would like you to tell me where I am wrong. None of this is meant to be a knock on the Pats. Just trying to compare what I think not seeing every minute of every game vs what you see every week.

LE Ty Warren
(Run defense specialist- averages about 4-5 tackles per game, gets a sack in about every 4th or 5th game, forces a fumble less than once a season. Diagnosis- dont be afraid of him getting to the QB, but run at him and you probably wont get too far down the field- 10 tackles and a sack already this year- Impact- Average+)

DT Vince Wilfork
(Key cog in the machine- run stuffer/penetrator- space eater- run at him and you wont get by- probably wont get the sack, but will probably be a big reason someone else will. Doesnt typically force fumbles, but already has one this year- the first of his NFL career- Commands Double team. Impact- High)
***I wish the Falcons had drafted Wilfork instead of DeAngelo Hall.

RE Jarvis Green
(seems to get a sack in about every 2-3 games before last year when he only had 2. Not many tackles per game. Seems to be balanced- pass rush and run stop. Forces a fumble or two every year- Impact- Low)

OLB Pierre Woods
(Hasnt started much- career special teams specialist up to this point- seems to be more of a run defense linebacker than a blitzing linebacker. Has forced a fumble already this year- Impact- Low)

ILB Jerod Mayo
(Beast of a tackling machine- doesnt get sacks, doesnt get picks, doesnt force fumbles, but tackles everything he sees- * Hasnt been doing much yet this year- Impact- High)

ILB Gary Guyton
(Still a bit green- having a great year so far as far as tackles go- no turnovers forced, no sacks- Impact- Low)

OLB Adalius Thomas
(Coming off an arm injury that sidelined him half of last season- good pass rusher- sack in about every other game- averages about 5 tackles per game, doesnt force many turnovers- Impact- High)

CB Shawn Springs
(Is he as good as he once was? Not a good sign he has 9 tackles through the first two games. Being targeted by QB's? 1 pick through 9 games last year- Impact- Unknown- Slightly below average?)

CB Leigh Bodden
(Has played decent for the Pats after being cast off by the Lions. Forces a lot of fumbles for a CB (a couple a year). Impact- Unknown- Slightly below average?)

SS Brandon Meriweather
(Questionable if he will play Sunday due to injury-ankle- Solid 2nd season last year with 4 picks, 2 FF, 2 sacks and about 5 tackles per game- average so far this season- Impact- Average (would be higher if healthy)

FS James Sanders
(Doesnt really force turnovers, Average # of tackles (not a bad thing necessarily), I know nothing about this guy- Impact-? Low?)

S Patrick Chung
(Really liked this guy in the draft- Doesnt look like he has seen the field much. Looks like he would start in the place of Meriweather if he is unable to play. Not sure how his college performance will relate to starting an NFL game as a rookie. Impact- Unknown? Low?)

Saw a few other DB's on your roster, but no one I would expect to be impactful on the game Sunday. I look forward to any input you can offer. It makes my watching of the game more interesting to know what we are facing.
 
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What a big difference there is between Jets fans and Falcons fans.. I am stunned we are able to have a civil discussion with you guys.

Jet fans are saying the same thing about us and Titian fans.
 
Some interesting tidbits from an article a friend wrote for their bleacher report.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/260455-week-3-preview-atlanta-falcons-at-new-england-patriots/show_full

INTERESTING STATS

* The Falcons defense has allowed opponents to convert on almost 50 percent of their 3rd down conversions. The Patriots offense averages around 50 percent in conversions. Not a good sign for the Falcons.
* The Patriots defense has allowed a very low 265 yards per game average. The Falcons offense is averaging 326 with over 100 yards rushing per game.
* Tom Brady is the only quarterback in the NFL with more than 100 passing attempts. Not even Drew Brees (nine TD passes) has eclipsed that mark in two games.
* Falcons defensive end John Abraham is no stranger to Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. He has five career sacks in seven meetings against the future Hall of Famer.
* New England has yet to intercept a pass this season and Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan has thrown only one.
* The Falcons lead the all-time series 6-5 but lost their last meeting with now Texans quarterback Matt Schaub behind center. Schaub almost brought the team back but made a last minute mistake giving the Patriots the victory.The spot he was given on his run looked questionable, killing the Falcons chance to score.
* The Patriots are 15-0 in their last 15 meetings against NFC opponents.
 
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Brian Baldinger, Joe Theismann and Sterling Sharpe pick us! How could we lose ;)
 
just a couple of notes for you.

ILB Mayo
out for several games

DL Wright
is having a great year

DE/OLB Banta-Cain
He is our best pass-rusher (as Buffalo saw).

CB McGowan
as good as Sanders and will see more and more action

CB Bodden
His effect is high. He is a top corner. If he is impact is low, ATL will easily win the game.

CB Springs
As you say, he's looking good for now (as long as he stays healthy)

Diagnosing the Pats defense- What to look for on Sunday. Since I dont really know your team, I would like you to tell me where I am wrong. None of this is meant to be a knock on the Pats. Just trying to compare what I think not seeing every minute of every game vs what you see every week.

LE Ty Warren
(Run defense specialist- averages about 4-5 tackles per game, gets a sack in about every 4th or 5th game, forces a fumble less than once a season. Diagnosis- dont be afraid of him getting to the QB, but run at him and you probably wont get too far down the field- 10 tackles and a sack already this year- Impact- Average+)

DT Vince Wilfork
(Key cog in the machine- run stuffer/penetrator- space eater- run at him and you wont get by- probably wont get the sack, but will probably be a big reason someone else will. Doesnt typically force fumbles, but already has one this year- the first of his NFL career- Commands Double team. Impact- High)
***I wish the Falcons had drafted Wilfork instead of DeAngelo Hall.

RE Jarvis Green
(seems to get a sack in about every 2-3 games before last year when he only had 2. Not many tackles per game. Seems to be balanced- pass rush and run stop. Forces a fumble or two every year- Impact- Low)

OLB Pierre Woods
(Hasnt started much- career special teams specialist up to this point- seems to be more of a run defense linebacker than a blitzing linebacker. Has forced a fumble already this year- Impact- Low)

ILB Jerod Mayo
(Beast of a tackling machine- doesnt get sacks, doesnt get picks, doesnt force fumbles, but tackles everything he sees- * Hasnt been doing much yet this year- Impact- High)

ILB Gary Guyton
(Still a bit green- having a great year so far as far as tackles go- no turnovers forced, no sacks- Impact- Low)

OLB Adalius Thomas
(Coming off an arm injury that sidelined him half of last season- good pass rusher- sack in about every other game- averages about 5 tackles per game, doesnt force many turnovers- Impact- High)

CB Shawn Springs
(Is he as good as he once was? Not a good sign he has 9 tackles through the first two games. Being targeted by QB's? 1 pick through 9 games last year- Impact- Unknown- Slightly below average?)

CB Leigh Bodden
(Has played decent for the Pats after being cast off by the Lions. Forces a lot of fumbles for a CB (a couple a year). Impact- Unknown- Slightly below average?)

SS Brandon Meriweather
(Questionable if he will play Sunday due to injury-ankle- Solid 2nd season last year with 4 picks, 2 FF, 2 sacks and about 5 tackles per game- average so far this season- Impact- Average (would be higher if healthy)

FS James Sanders
(Doesnt really force turnovers, Average # of tackles (not a bad thing necessarily), I know nothing about this guy- Impact-? Low?)

S Patrick Chung
(Really liked this guy in the draft- Doesnt look like he has seen the field much. Looks like he would start in the place of Meriweather if he is unable to play. Not sure how his college performance will relate to starting an NFL game as a rookie. Impact- Unknown? Low?)

Saw a few other DB's on your roster, but no one I would expect to be impactful on the game Sunday. I look forward to any input you can offer. It makes my watching of the game more interesting to know what we are facing.
 
Diagnosing the Pats defense- What to look for on Sunday. Since I dont really know your team, I would like you to tell me where I am wrong. None of this is meant to be a knock on the Pats. Just trying to compare what I think not seeing every minute of every game vs what you see every week.

LE Ty Warren
(Run defense specialist- averages about 4-5 tackles per game, gets a sack in about every 4th or 5th game, forces a fumble less than once a season. Diagnosis- dont be afraid of him getting to the QB, but run at him and you probably wont get too far down the field- 10 tackles and a sack already this year- Impact- Average+)

DT Vince Wilfork
(Key cog in the machine- run stuffer/penetrator- space eater- run at him and you wont get by- probably wont get the sack, but will probably be a big reason someone else will. Doesnt typically force fumbles, but already has one this year- the first of his NFL career- Commands Double team. Impact- High)
***I wish the Falcons had drafted Wilfork instead of DeAngelo Hall.

RE Jarvis Green
(seems to get a sack in about every 2-3 games before last year when he only had 2. Not many tackles per game. Seems to be balanced- pass rush and run stop. Forces a fumble or two every year- Impact- Low)

OLB Pierre Woods
(Hasnt started much- career special teams specialist up to this point- seems to be more of a run defense linebacker than a blitzing linebacker. Has forced a fumble already this year- Impact- Low)

ILB Jerod Mayo
(Beast of a tackling machine- doesnt get sacks, doesnt get picks, doesnt force fumbles, but tackles everything he sees- * Hasnt been doing much yet this year- Impact- High)

ILB Gary Guyton
(Still a bit green- having a great year so far as far as tackles go- no turnovers forced, no sacks- Impact- Low)

OLB Adalius Thomas
(Coming off an arm injury that sidelined him half of last season- good pass rusher- sack in about every other game- averages about 5 tackles per game, doesnt force many turnovers- Impact- High)

CB Shawn Springs
(Is he as good as he once was? Not a good sign he has 9 tackles through the first two games. Being targeted by QB's? 1 pick through 9 games last year- Impact- Unknown- Slightly below average?)

CB Leigh Bodden
(Has played decent for the Pats after being cast off by the Lions. Forces a lot of fumbles for a CB (a couple a year). Impact- Unknown- Slightly below average?)

SS Brandon Meriweather
(Questionable if he will play Sunday due to injury-ankle- Solid 2nd season last year with 4 picks, 2 FF, 2 sacks and about 5 tackles per game- average so far this season- Impact- Average (would be higher if healthy)

FS James Sanders
(Doesnt really force turnovers, Average # of tackles (not a bad thing necessarily), I know nothing about this guy- Impact-? Low?)

S Patrick Chung
(Really liked this guy in the draft- Doesnt look like he has seen the field much. Looks like he would start in the place of Meriweather if he is unable to play. Not sure how his college performance will relate to starting an NFL game as a rookie. Impact- Unknown? Low?)

Saw a few other DB's on your roster, but no one I would expect to be impactful on the game Sunday. I look forward to any input you can offer. It makes my watching of the game more interesting to know what we are facing.

Let's look at it by unit:

1. The Secondary

Was the weakest unit on the defense last year, with poor CB play which forced us to play a soft zone. Brandon Meriweather and James Sanders were solid, Rodney Harrison slow and injured. This year it's been the strongest defensive unit through 2 games. Meriweather looks like he will make the jump to the elite safety level, but he has a nagging injury that may limit him. Leigh Bodden has been terrific at CB over 2 games, and has pretty much taken away one side of the field. The Jets complete 0 passes against him.

If Meriweather is limited, expect McGowan to start along with Sanders. Even if Meriweather plays, expect McGowan to play a lot. He has been quite strong so far, and should get more playing time, ahead of Pat Chung at this time. Expect to see a lot of Shawn Springs, Jonathan Wheatley, and Darius Butler as the other CBs, possibly with Springs playing some FS. Springs or McGowan could draw Gonzalez as their assignment. Butler is our most athletic CB, and may become a starter sooner rather than later.

2. DL

Was our strongest unit over the past several years. Is solid, but is young and not up to where it has been, partly because of the Seymour trade. Vince Wilfork is a beast in the middle, Ty Warren is a pro bowl caliber 3-4 DE who doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Mike Wright has been terrific this year. Jarvis Green is vulnerable to the run. Derrick Burgess, Tully Banta-Cain and Adalius Thomas can all play 4-3 DE as well. Burgess hasn't made the impact we expected so far, and over 2 games Banta-Cain has been our best pass rusher. We need to see more pressure from this line. Rookies Ron Brace and Myron Pryor or behemoths who looked great in preseason, and will get some serious playing time as the season progresses, but BB has gone with the veterans so far.

3. LB

Our thinnest unit going into the season, made thinner by the injury to Mayo, our best defensive player. Gary Guyton has filled in at WILB/MLB and as the defensive signal caller, and has been solid, but is no Mayo. Adalius Thomas is excellent. We're thin elsewhere. We would be happy to rent Peterson and/or Lofton for the game. Prescott Burgess is a new addition, and will probably only see time on ST on Sunday.

I would expect BB to let our CBs take on your WRs. If they can hold your own and he can get safety coverage on Gonzalez, then you are in for a long day. If our CBs (particularly Bodden) can't hold their own, then Gonzalez and Turner will kill us. Our LBs have played valiently with Mayo out, but they are not our strength right now. We need pressure from our line and strong coverage from our secondary in order to be effective.
 
I would expect BB to let our CBs take on your WRs. If they can hold your own and he can get safety coverage on Gonzalez, then you are in for a long day. If our CBs (particularly Bodden) can't hold their own, then Gonzalez and Turner will kill us. Our LBs have played valiently with Mayo out, but they are not our strength right now. We need pressure from our line and strong coverage from our secondary in order to be effective.
Great info. I appreciate it. Shows how little I know about different players that are contributing that arent listed as starters on the Pats depth chart, and doing things that dont really show on a stat sheet.

Did want to comment on this last part. I could be VERY wrong here, but I think the part about letting your corners handle our WR's 1 on 1 would be a mistake. If they can, I would expect the Pats to be up a couple of scores going into the final 15 minutes...with the Falcons staff looking like they dont know how to get back into the game (in other words, down by a couple of scores that feels more like 3 or 4 scores). But, I dont think they can.

Roddy White is still very underrated around the league, and he is very close to breaking into that elite tier (Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Steve Smith, etc etc). I would still put him in that second tier for now, but when he and Ryan get on the same page...he is a beast that commands double coverage or a lot of safety help.

Roddy's #'s this year arent reflective of what he is capable of. Several reasons for it IMO. First, and most importantly, Tony Gonzalez is often Ryans first read, and he is open (by TG standards- he doesnt seem to need much space). Second, Roddy just got the reupped deal after a camp holdout where he missed the first couple of weeks of camp. The first week looked like a combination of Ryan still getting over the flu and not throwing to Roddy accurately because of it, and Roddy still looking a little sluggish. The second week it still seemed like Roddy wasnt quite back to season form. But, make no doubts about it, after watching Roddy for the past couple of seasons, he is VERY capable of taking 1 on 1 coverage and making the other team pay big. I think he is ready to play elite level football now. Just a hunch.

Jenkins has been very underrated as well. Last year, he and Ryan developed quite a bit of re pour, and Jenkins proved he was solid enough int he eyes of Dimitroff to get a decent new contract. The main reason he hasnt put up the #'s yet, is again, Gonzalez. When Ryan has gone Jenkins way, he has been very capable. One thing we havent really seen this year is Jenkins ability to stretch the field. That was one of his strengths during last season, but the Falcons have been playing such ball control offense they havent really gone deep except for to Gonzalez. Dont be surprised to see Ryan hurl it Jenkins way deep a couple of times in Foxboro...and for Jenkins to be right there after running a great route. The question is, how close will the defender be?

Despite losing Harry Douglas to injury reserve, our budding #3 receiver, I cant say I am disappointed with our depth at receiver. The names wont blow you away (Booker, Finneran, Weems) but they all seem to be on Ryans page. Finneran happens to be Ryans carpool pal, golfing buddy, etc...which means nothing except that when you see them work together it kinda looks like old hat. Finnerans size (6-5) doesnt hurt as a safety valve on 3rd down.

Not to talk smack, but I guess what I am saying is if you leave Bodden and Springs on an island vs White and Jenkins, it wont be Gonzalez and Turner that are the reason the Falcons beat the Pats (should the unthinkable happen). At least when it comes to White, they will need help from the safeties over the top IMHO. Well, OK, if the Falcons win, Turner is almost always a big reason in Malarkey's offense, but you get where I am going.
 
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Great info. I appreciate it. Shows how little I know about different players that are contributing that arent listed as starters on the Pats depth chart, and doing things that dont really show on a stat sheet.

Did want to comment on this last part. I could be VERY wrong here, but I think the part about letting your corners handle our WR's 1 on 1 would be a mistake. If they can, I would expect the Pats to be up a couple of scores going into the final 15 minutes...with the Falcons staff looking like they dont know how to get back into the game (in other words, down by a couple of scores that feels more like 3 or 4 scores). But, I dont think they can.

Roddy White is still very underrated around the league, and he is very close to breaking into that elite tier (Andre Johnson, Randy Moss, Steve Smith, etc etc). I would still put him in that second tier for now, but when he and Ryan get on the same page...he is a beast that commands double coverage or a lot of safety help.

Roddy's #'s this year arent reflective of what he is capable of. Several reasons for it IMO. First, and most importantly, Tony Gonzalez is often Ryans first read, and he is open (by TG standards- he doesnt seem to need much space). Second, Roddy just got the reupped deal after a camp holdout where he missed the first couple of weeks of camp. The first week looked like a combination of Ryan still getting over the flu and not throwing to Roddy accurately because of it, and Roddy still looking a little sluggish. The second week it still seemed like Roddy wasnt quite back to season form. But, make no doubts about it, after watching Roddy for the past couple of seasons, he is VERY capable of taking 1 on 1 coverage and making the other team pay big. I think he is ready to play elite level football now. Just a hunch.

Jenkins has been very underrated as well. Last year, he and Ryan developed quite a bit of re pour, and Jenkins proved he was solid enough int he eyes of Dimitroff to get a decent new contract. The main reason he hasnt put up the #'s yet, is again, Gonzalez. When Ryan has gone Jenkins way, he has been very capable. One thing we havent really seen this year is Jenkins ability to stretch the field. That was one of his strengths during last season, but the Falcons have been playing such ball control offense they havent really gone deep except for to Gonzalez. Dont be surprised to see Ryan hurl it Jenkins way deep a couple of times in Foxboro...and for Jenkins to be right there after running a great route. The question is, how close will the defender be?

Despite losing Harry Douglas to injury reserve, our budding #3 receiver, I cant say I am disappointed with our depth at receiver. The names wont blow you away (Booker, Finneran, Weems) but they all seem to be on Ryans page. Finneran happens to be Ryans carpool pal, golfing buddy, etc...which means nothing except that when you see them work together it kinda looks like old hat. Finnerans size (6-5) doesnt hurt as a safety valve on 3rd down.

Not to talk smack, but I guess what I am saying is if you leave Bodden and Springs on an island vs White and Jenkins, it wont be Gonzalez and Turner that are the reason the Falcons beat the Pats (should the unthinkable happen). At least when it comes to White, they will need help from the safeties over the top IMHO. Well, OK, if the Falcons win, Turner is almost always a big reason in Malarkey's offense, but you get where I am going.

We'll see. BB may well give the CBs help. And I mean no disrespect to White and Jenkins, who are solid. But Bodden has been fabulous so far, and so far he's pretty much shut down whoever he's drawn.
 
Did you mean Wilhite instead of Wheatley?

Let's look at it by unit:

1. The Secondary

Was the weakest unit on the defense last year, with poor CB play which forced us to play a soft zone. Brandon Meriweather and James Sanders were solid, Rodney Harrison slow and injured. This year it's been the strongest defensive unit through 2 games. Meriweather looks like he will make the jump to the elite safety level, but he has a nagging injury that may limit him. Leigh Bodden has been terrific at CB over 2 games, and has pretty much taken away one side of the field. The Jets complete 0 passes against him.

If Meriweather is limited, expect McGowan to start along with Sanders. Even if Meriweather plays, expect McGowan to play a lot. He has been quite strong so far, and should get more playing time, ahead of Pat Chung at this time. Expect to see a lot of Shawn Springs, Jonathan Wheatley, and Darius Butler as the other CBs, possibly with Springs playing some FS. Springs or McGowan could draw Gonzalez as their assignment. Butler is our most athletic CB, and may become a starter sooner rather than later.

2. DL

Was our strongest unit over the past several years. Is solid, but is young and not up to where it has been, partly because of the Seymour trade. Vince Wilfork is a beast in the middle, Ty Warren is a pro bowl caliber 3-4 DE who doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Mike Wright has been terrific this year. Jarvis Green is vulnerable to the run. Derrick Burgess, Tully Banta-Cain and Adalius Thomas can all play 4-3 DE as well. Burgess hasn't made the impact we expected so far, and over 2 games Banta-Cain has been our best pass rusher. We need to see more pressure from this line. Rookies Ron Brace and Myron Pryor or behemoths who looked great in preseason, and will get some serious playing time as the season progresses, but BB has gone with the veterans so far.

3. LB

Our thinnest unit going into the season, made thinner by the injury to Mayo, our best defensive player. Gary Guyton has filled in at WILB/MLB and as the defensive signal caller, and has been solid, but is no Mayo. Adalius Thomas is excellent. We're thin elsewhere. We would be happy to rent Peterson and/or Lofton for the game. Prescott Burgess is a new addition, and will probably only see time on ST on Sunday.

I would expect BB to let our CBs take on your WRs. If they can hold your own and he can get safety coverage on Gonzalez, then you are in for a long day. If our CBs (particularly Bodden) can't hold their own, then Gonzalez and Turner will kill us. Our LBs have played valiently with Mayo out, but they are not our strength right now. We need pressure from our line and strong coverage from our secondary in order to be effective.
 
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