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  1. aluminum seats

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    It’s funny how reactionary everyone---fans, media, everyone--is after every game, although nobody likes to admit it…..we all pretend we’re being objective and realistic. The Pats win yesterday? They’re awesome. They get blown out? “Give me the last 5 years of my life back.” It’s comic.

    Here’s the thing. The Pats lost big yesterday to a really outstanding team. Too often we forget there are two teams playing. Yesterday, the Saints were at the top of their game, and the Pats played a bad game, with predictable results.

    I think the best thing to do is go back to 2005. That season, the Pats got clobbered more than once--the last beating by the Colts in November in a game very similar to yesterday’s. They went on to win 6 of their last 7 (not including the last game of the season to Miami that they wanted to lose). It might not be that hopeful to refer back to a season with a second round playoff loss, but anyone who watched that game knew the Pats had a really outstanding squad at that point, with uncharacteristic errors doing them in. The goal for the Patriots now is to work to get back to that level of play, and let the chips fall.

    There were a lot of things wrong yesterday you could reasonably expect not to see again. Brady played poorly. The offensive line was out of sync, and will benefit greatly from getting Vollmer back. The bad line play threw the whole offense out of whack. The young secondary isn’t anywhere in the vicinity as bad as they looked yesterday--the coaching staff will make the most of the learning opportunity. On the plus side, Maroney is running harder than I’ve ever seen him. The lack of a consistent pass rush is the one element that would be the best bet to end their season, but one game at a time.

    Point is, there’s a lot of talent on this team on both sides of the ball. Yesterday was one game, a bad one for the Pats. But they’re winning the division, Cincy & SD play each other, Cincy goes to Minnesota, San Diego goes to Dallas and (hard to believe they’re playing well but they are) Tennessee, etc. , so the #2 seed is hardly a stretch. It’s always darkest before the dawn. Keep the faith.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    Not sure if you want to use 2005 as an uplifting example... we didn't do anything that year.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    Lordy!

    This defense is transitioning.....I get that. This defense is also trending downward. The talent isn't that great, folks. Face it.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    2006 is a better example.

    It's shaping up to be a similar year.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    Sure, we can face it, but I can also look back at the past 2 playoffs and realize there's some hope for lower-seeded teams. All you need to do is make the tourney and anything goes.

    Let's take this season one week at a time. The Pats will have their hands full Sunday in Miami.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    We lost to Denver in the playoffs, correct. The result of that game wasn't the point.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    Disagree. 2006 was marked by offensive struggles throughout the season due to a subpar receiving group. The Pats didn't get blown out the way they did yesterday or in 2005 (they were shutout in Miami in a weird game.) The defensive collapse against the Colts in the playoffs wasn't indicative of their season or reflective of the current group.
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    True but if our defense is playing like that one towards the end I'll be happy. The avalanche of turnovers against the Broncos isn't something you can predict by regular season play, it just sorta happened.

    We have a chance to beat some mediocre teams and build confidence, it helped in 2001 and 2004 as well after some bad losses.
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    Yeah watching last night is what I remember from 05, but the key for this team is getting in the playoffs and then see what happens...
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    Last night, the Pats gave up 480 yards in a loss to a powerful Saints offense televised on ESPN. In 2001, the Pats gave up 482 total yards in a loss to a powerful Rams offense televised on ESPN.

    Obviously, some different circumstances in those games, but my point is this: let's stop making so many rash judgments. All you need to do is make the playoffs. The Pats have proven that they can play tough in Indy. Cincy has struggled with the Raiders and Browns the past two weeks. San Diego still has Norv Turner and a bunch of key injuries. Pittsburgh looks like a shell of last year's squad. All of these squads have issues that can be exploited.

    Let's focus on the Dolphins over writing about the "demise" of the Patriots.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    The Patriots lost by 21 points in December of 2006.

    The Patriots had the same problems that year that they are this year.

    That offense was good enough to hang 24 points on the Colts in one half.

    The defense, obviously, was not up to par.
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    This defense has more talent than some other Patriot teams that went a good long way. Namely 1996.

    They need more seasoning, yes, but the talent is there.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    2005 is a perfect corollary. That team beat up on the little sisters of the league and showed a complete inability to beat good teams. That doesn't make me feel better.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    Exactly.....everyone calm down and take a deep breath.
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    They lost by 21 to Miami because they were shutout. If I recall, Miami had figured out the Pats playcalls. The game was strange. Generally speaking, the Patriots did not have the same problems that year compared to this year.....Reche Caldwell was a go-to guy? Please.
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    Are you making stuff up now?

    Where does it say "Reche Caldwell was a go-to guy?"
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    Oops, that's not clear. My bad. Rushing around here--my post before that wasn't clear either (I hate that! Now I can't mock others for awhile.)

    To restate.....what we saw last night feels like 2005 to me....THAT team was really struggling throughout the season, but had a lock on the division title. The team in the playoffs was very different, even though they lost to Denver.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    i think you can find a loss like this in every down yr including last yr like the miami shellacking @home. We then win a bunch of games and become the team "firing on all cylinders" when the reality is that league is full of average teams and you have to beat only 3-4 good teams in an yr to make the playoffs. The mediocrity in the league makes us and other teams look good at the end .We may win the next 5 and people will forget its the same team which got blown out @NO and start saying things like we can beat indy and NO in the playoffs.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    Compare them to any of the last Pats team, like in 08, 06, 05. Only having a winning record because of beating bad teams, fold like a house of cards when ever you face a good team.

    That's just the Patriots for you the last 4 years.
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    I really think this team is better than 2005. They remind me more of 2006.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    But in one of those other years you reference New England was a blown ref call from winning the Super Bowl. 2006.

    Look at 'Zona last year.
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    They folded like a house of cards in 2006? They should have won that game--and would have--were it not for the refs.

    That being said, even in the 2003 Super Bowl, the defense was pretty porous.

    They gave up 30 points in 32 minues to Jake DelHomme.
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    Lol, c'mon man. Yes the refs stunk up the joint. But how many points did they help the Colts get, 7 MAYBE 14? That offense put up over 30 on us, and you, like everyone else here continues to blame our losses to the Colts on calls. Man, how the mighty have fallen.

    The 03 defense was automatic all year. It got us there, but when Rodney Harrison, Tyrone Poole AND Eugene Wilson all go down in the same game, that's a reasonable excuse, no? But hey, maybe Bill's defenses just can't hold a lead and we just have to pray they can get the ball in Brady's hands every time the last minute.
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    I love the optimism in your post, but be realistic man. The problems that people are complaining about last night, are the same problems we have had allllll yr. long, and they still have not been corrected. That's why I personally am upset, that's why I personally am complaining.

    I cant speak for anyone else, but if this was the only game of the yr where we showed those problems, O.K. Lets fix em and move on. However, we have showed these problems in every loss this year.

    O-Line doesnt give time for Brady. Brady doesnt perform well under pressure. Moss gets snuffed. Play calling is absurdly predictable. Defense gives up too many big plays due to being soft. Cant get any pressure on the QB. Failure to gain any momentum after halftime. Its goes on and on and on.
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    Re: Want to Feel Better? Just Remember 2005

    I never blame losses on the refs. You win or lose despite the refs. Score enough points and defend better, and the refs become just an annoyance.

    Injuries have much more of an effect. Eventually the depth runs out, and the bench proves why they're not starters.
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    I will blame the refs for that one until my dying days.

    Let me count the ways:

    End of 1st half, a totally bogus OPI on Troy Brown takes the Patriots out of field goal range after a 3rd down conversion: 3 points gone if not 7.

    Bogus PI on Ellis Hobbs on a third down gives the Colts a 1st down at the one when they would be punting from the 40: 7 points.

    Reche Caldwell raped in the end zone, no call. Patriots kick a FG: 4 points.

    Refs were directly responsible for a 14 point swing.
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    When you're playing the Colts, you will lose if the refs spot the Colts 14 points.

    You're asking the Patriots to score enough points to ignore the refs against the Colts.

    Let me tell you now: that's NOT going to happen.

    When the Patriots play the Colts, the refs cannot blow huge calls like they did in 2006.
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    I wasn't really trying to be overly optimistic, just trying to balance the gloom after a loss (like too much euphoria after a win). (Well, the "darkness before the dawn was a bit much, probably. But anyway.)

    On your points, which are pretty much spot-on: I don't think the O-Line has been a consistent problem, but I do think Vollmer has evolved into a guy they need in there. Assuming he's healthy, the line should be fine. Agreed on the playcalling, but I can't believe that's not fixable....I consider a lot of the playcalling, certainly on defense, to be a work in progress. The halftime concern I agree is a real one, but it's not one I can figure out what the problem is, to be honest.
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    You don't really notice the positive affect of Garbango around until the Pats get an arsewhooping.
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    This is why I think if we win the rest of our games we have a good chance at a bye. Not shabby at all.
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