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  1. VJCPatriot

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    Maroney needs to get more INVOLVED in the Offense.
    I don't carry if he averages 3.1 ypc again, I think he should run the ball at least 15-20 times against the Ravens. Making the Ravens respect the run will open up the passing game.

    Sure it would be helpful if he averaged more than 3.1 ypc, but the point is to make the running game a facet of the offense. We've seen that a one-dimensional offense is teed off against too easily by good defensive teams and in the end just makes life harder for Brady and friends.

    I don't think it's any good to baby Maroney. Throw him into the teeth of the lion. He is the only viable RB the Patriots have right now whether we have the greatest confidence in him or not. Don't baby him, he's a professional football player. The running game needs to come back in NE, and right now that means USE Maroney.
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    Re: Maroney needs to get more INVOLVED in the Offense

    And you think its HIS decision? You should of entitled this "BB needs to get Maroney more involved".

    I agree with the basic premise tho, I would like to see some more carries.
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    Re: Maroney needs to get more INVOLVED in the Offense

    Tell BB and McDaniels.
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    Re: Maroney needs to get more INVOLVED in the Offense

    Oh Heck NO. Maroney needs to do what BB tells him to do. It doesn't matter what you think a gameplan should be, how you think this team can win, or what you think of your momma's cooking. It is what it is. Other people (the ones who call the shots like BB or your momma) have differing opinions. In the case of BB, HIS GAMEPLAN IS ALL THAT MATTERS. WHAT HE CALLS WILL WIN. WE ARE NOT 11-0 OUT OF LUCK. MARONEY DIDN'T MAKE US 11-0.
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    Re: Maroney needs to get more INVOLVED in the Offense

    It's pretty obvious that BB would have to make the call. I just assumed that.

    I really don't like the way the Philadelphia gameplan turned out.
    Bringing back the running game will make life easier for the entire offense imo. I don't care if you get 8.0 ypa per pass and only 4.0 ypc per rush.

    A balanced offense throws the defense off-balance. It is well worth sacrificing the carries to Maroney in order to make the passing game and play action more effective.

    Repeating the Philly gameplan will eventually get Brady killed. The Ravens still have some very talented players on defense, and if you let em tee off vs empty backfield shotgun the whole game, somebody is gonna get hurt. I'm sure motivation won't be a problem for them either, what with Ray Lewis and AD not seeing eye to eye.
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    Running Maroney is pointless when every time he does it's for 1 or 2 yards.

    It's turns 1st and 10 into 2nd and 8 every time. And 2nd and 8 becomes an obvoius passing down.

    If Maroney could actually plough through some bodies and get 4 or 5 yards, it might be interesting, but that doesn't happen often.

    Using Maroney is putting the kid gloves ON.
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    Holy Cow, now I get it. It all makes sense. This numnut would rather have the ball in the hands of Maroney than Brady to win a game. The fact is that you are one of those Bledsoe anti-Brady guys who just do not have a clue. This has to be the reason why you insist that Maroney must carry the ball instead of the way BB chooses his HOF QB who is having the best season of any QB in history to win games. Since Drew isn't signed, maybe we could go get him for you and Bench Brady.
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    Don't be ridiculous! Tom Brady won them that game the other night without a doubt. The fact is we should have won by 3 scores easy! The reason we didn't was primarily because Feeley played great, but also because offensively we played right into Jim Johnson's hands. It's not even a matter of actually running the ball for me, but at least show the threat of one!
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    Give me a break - Philly has one of the best run D's in the league. Let's just play right into their strength why don't we?

    The passing game gave us hope Sunday night. It wasn't pretty or easy, but it got the job done.

    And Maroney may as well not dress for Monday night- Baltimore has THE best run D in the league, but I imagine some folks here will whine and call him soft all the same when we throw 50 times.
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    I'll agree that running the ball against Baltimore will be a challenge, but I refuse to believe Philly's strength is the same. The only thing saving us from our 1st loss was #12 in blue. Had they forced Philly to respect the run the outcome would have been similar to what we've been seeing all season.
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    here is what BB said on the radio show which answers this thread

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    You can also use screens & they didn't until the 2nd half.
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    ummmm dude i know. my post was sarcasm at the poster who started an idiot thread..
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    This "theory" has already been thoroughly debunked.
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    One of the multitude of things that Bill knows that you don't is what you think doesn't matter. He will do what he thinks gives this team it's best chance to win. What you might want to do in the interim is get over yourself. When you're not busy telling Bill what to do you're turtling over every missed tackle or dropped pass or injury report or mediot spin.

    Really, this team deserves a far superior fan base to the spoiled, entitled, demanding, hypersentitive kneejerk one that has developed here lately.
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    So anyone who questions anything should just keep it to themselves is that it???

    I love the Pats. I think they're having a dream season just like everyone else, but to see that they might have some flaws isn't a bad thing. I hate to tell ya, but NO team is perfect. At the same time I think they have an excellent chance at going undefeated.
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    I agree Brady got pretty beat up last game and if he's passing 40+ times in a game (in this case 54 attempts!) he's gonna take more shots than normal. Run the ball to slow the damn rush, I can't even recall running a draw to Faulk the entire game and that play is good for about two first downs a game.
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    So Philly is the 2nd best team in the NFL is that your "theory"?
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    There is a distinct difference between questioning something and making an uninformed judgement and based on that demanding that a HOF HC do it the way the fan wants. Fans often operate in hindsight where every failed play was the wrong one and every alternative they present would have worked swimmingly. This team is 11-0. It's fine to have a few nagging concerns, but the level and tone of the criticism here is ridiculous. I know some of you feel this is venting space, and you have to have something to talk about. There is a viable alternative though. You can enjoy the ride and to some extent STFU.
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    The only guys that have had good days against Philly's run D this year are Thomas Jones and Clinton Portis - a different breed than Mr. Maroney. And Philly's pass D isn't that good but the pressure limited Brady's ability to pick them apart (even though he did a pretty good job regardless).

    If we tried to run early on we likely don't score on every possession and we likely find ourselves playing catch-up in the 2nd half. But some people like doing things the hard way.
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    Some of you guys need to get a clue.The Pats are 8th in the league in rushing.They are #1 in rushing for first downs.And they are right up there in attempts.Calm down.
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    I think that's all this is. A few nagging concerns. Going an enitre half with an empty backfield is asking for trouble IMO. They got away with it because they have a HOF QB.

    OR they might have given their defense time to catch a breath & not get torched so muich by a journeyman QB. The only reason we even had a lead in the 1st half was because of Samuel's pick.
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    Some of our fans look at running the ball (or not) like critics look at running up the score - like we absolutely are required to run, just like we are absolutely required to call off the dogs up 38-0.

    I'm not necessarily inspired by our running game but I do see some good from Belichick's use of the running game so far:

    1) Why give an injury-prone back more carries than necessary? It's a LONG season and the hits pile up after a few months.
    2) Why run when passing is more effective? Even when they know it's coming, it's still more effective.
    3) Anybody feel a "rope-a-dope" coming? We've used Maroney so sparsely that teams will lower their guard, if they haven't already. I can see us leaning on him in the playoffs for one game, assuming the matchup is favorable.
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    Damn well if he runs for 1 or 2 yards EVERY time don't you think his YPC would be, i dunno somewhere between friggin 1 and 2? He hasn't had any LONG runs to skew his average, but his average is what like 4.5?

    There have been times where he has gained -2 to 2 yards, and MOST of those times, the o-line missed a block and there's a guy or 2 in Maroney's face right when he gets the damn ball.
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    Well, is running the ball, not getting the first down and punting allowing the D more rest?
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    It has already been pointed out that Philly's run D was rated WORSE than their pass D ... for those who are still trying to sell that story.

    Still, I understand the point of not running at Balt's strength.

    I think the original poster does have a valid concern. This empty backfield stuff is not to my liking, especially in short yardage situations. How can that possibly improve your chance at making a 3rd and short when you just told the other team that they can forget about you trying to run the ball?

    Even if we don't run Maroney (or faulk, evans, etc) a lot more, I would like to see more formations where there is at least a RB in there so that the possibility of a run remains in the minds of the defense. Some play actions and the ocassional run is better than the constant spread formation at least in short yardage situations.
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    Do you realize that this question has nothing to do with your disproved theory?
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    damn. i hate to do this, but i have to agree with mo:D . i dont post very often, im mainly a reader. however, lately all im reading is how maroney sucks, b.b.'s drafts suck, etc, etc......please people....RELAX!! b.b. will play an 8 wr formation, if he thinks that gives him the best way to win. so we didnt run the ball. so what. b.b. didnt think that would give us the best chance to win. guess what? we probably wont run much against the ravens either. with their cb's banged up, we're passin all day. all i know is, if b.b. says the sky is purple,,,,im gonna believe him.....IM BILL WE TRUST!!!!
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