"Yeah, no." and you claim you're not confused?
If you ask general questions about intra-race bigotry in the black community, then expect to get general answers. And now you're saying that my comments in general about "intra-race" bigotry have nothing to do with comments about being "black enough" that have everything to do with intra-race bigotry. BIZARRE.
I didn't ask a question, you made a sweeping statement.
Why are you even responding? I said from the get go that Salguero made that comment. You're saying he didn't. And you managed to respond for several pages to me without once contesting whether Salguero even said that? It's like you're on another planet. The first thing you should have done is asked for a source, and I would have told you it was on a live interview on ESPN this morning. Yet more craziness from you on this.
The point is you are wrong whether he made it or not. While responding to why you are wrong if he made, I looked it up and found out he didnt.
I'm not denigrating anyone. I am criticizing the bigots
LOL my face off
on the team who told Salguero that Martin isn't black enough. If you think that's racist, you are in more trouble than I thought.
You have criticized the actions of all the black teammates and given your opinion of how they could be good blacks. That is racist.
And no one ever said every black person must treat every other black person the same way.
You have in this thread. You are proclaiming how black people should act toward other black people, toward white people, toward mixed race people.
That is a product of your demented imagination. What I said was that they were bigots for telling Martin he wasn't black enough. The fact that you interpret that to mean that every black person must treat every black person the same is laughable and pathetic.
You lumped all the black players that arent Martin and compared the entire group to 'the educated black man'. I bolded your exact words when I quoted them.
I explained this to you. The fact that you don't understand the difference between bigotry and racism is your problem, not mine.
As I said, you should research the defintions of sensitive words before you use them.
I stated: racism is based on the perceived superiority or inferiority of one race in relation to another. Now, have I said anything about the superiority or inferiority of any races? No. Have I said the players believed one or another race was superior? No
Racism does not require a feeling of superiority. Many racists are racist due to jealously, as well as many due to simple ignorance.
Treating or judging a person based on their race rather than who they are is racist. When you criticize, demean, or give your opinion of what 'the black players' should do, you are acting in a racist manner.
Your attempt to try to be racially fair to Martin is causing you to act in a bigotted way toward everyone who is not Martin yet is a black dolphin.
. The claim about Martin's relative blackness does not come from racism.
Of course it does. It has to do with nothing about race, and you are measuring solely based upon race.
That's not the problem with it. You'll find that discussion of these issues in the black community make pretty clear distinctions between racism and bigotry. Even the dictionary definition of these two words is totally different.
What are you talking about?
First I would not look to you to tell me what occurs in the black community. And once again, your racist perspective appears as you think the black community has its own distinction between words that have clear meaning. Of course you just made that up, so you crime is inability to admit you are wrong more than racism.
And so we are clear:
The definition of bigotry is intolerance due to (a number of things INCLUIDNG RACE)
Racism is intolernace due to race.
If the reason for intolerance is race, the words have the exact same meaning. Grab a dictionary.
bigot (ˈbɪɡət) http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna/IPA_pron_key.html—
n a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion,
politics, or race
Let me get this straight. If I criticize a black person for being a bigot, that makes me a racist?
No, but thats not what you did. You criticized ALL of the black people on the Dolphins. You didn't crticize Maurice Pouncey for his actions, beliefs or opinions, you criticized all of the black Dolphins as if being black makes them all the same. Get it yet?
What are you trying to say here? It makes no sense. Actually, your formulation is even more general than that. If I criticize the action of a black person, I am a racist? Be clear because you are making no sense.
When you treat or judge a person based on what he is rather than who is it is racist (or sexist or whatever the group in question implies).
You are criticizing this entire group of players for actions and beliefs you do not know they share solely because they are black. You are stating what the black players should or shouldn't do. That is racist.
Never said that. First of all, what do you mean by "group?" I'm referring to the black players that Salguero quoted. I wasn't referring to all the black players on the Miami Dolphins.
Thankfully you have finally made that distinction, or change of course I should say.
I said that in my very first post on Salguero's quotes. Second, I don't really care how they treat Martin, as long as they don't ostracize him for not being "black enough."
What if they ostracize Tannehill for not being black enough? Is that OK?
What if what they mean by 'black' is as one player actually clarified 'being a brother'.
You are implying that all black people are the same.
Some black people gravitate toward things typically associated with the hood stereotype, such as hip hop, 'gangsta', etc and others gravitate toward a more suburban lifestyle.
The 'hood' is not only almost exclusively black, but it also is a way of identifying with the struggles of grwoing up in strife or poverty.
The suburban lifestyle is one that is made up of a high percetange of white people.
The guy from the hood who acts in the stereotypical fashion is different that the person, white or black who is a stereotypical suburbanite.
Clearly 'more black' is not a criticism, but a description of personality.
Your comments suggest that black is black and you can't make that distinction because they share skin color.
That's when they cross the line into bigotry. This is pretty clear in all my posting.
Again, bigotry because of race is racism.
Treating or judging people by what race they belong ot rather than who they are is also racism.
And yet another mischaracterization from you. I keep writing, you keep twisting.
I have not twisted anything.
I wrote that I didn't know why they didn't consider him black enough (which is what Salguero said on ESPN)
Now I'm confused. First you said his quote was he wasn't black. Now he said they weren't black enough?
but that it could be about his white parent, about the way he spoke, about his education, etc. If it is about his education and background (which is what his high school thinks it's about) then yeah, we have a divide here between players who think the Harvard/Stanford guy isn't black enough and myself who thinks that's silly.
I have no clue why this would matter.
The likelihood is that they made that characterization for all the above reasons (the way he talks, his Harvard/Stanford background, his middle class parents, etc.), and this is precisely why I listed all those reasons, and didn't simply single out his education as the difference. But again, as I'm emphasized, I am speculating on why they said that about him.
So what is your point?
You are trying to analyze what the supposedly said (which I think they didnt even say) while admittedly not understanding why they said it?
How could you possibly hope to get it right?
I don't know him or them, and so I can't think of any other reason why they determined he's not black enough.
Again, so how can you possibly think you understand the topic?
I don't actually even care what their reasons might be, I just think it's wrong to tell a black man he's not black enough.
And to put the cherry on top, you do not even know what is meant by 'not black enough'.
It's OK not to fit in. In fact, I said that he didn't fit in in my very first post yesterday before the Salguero quote this morning. What is out-of-bounds for me is questioning his blackness.
Perhaps you should determine what is meant by their comments before considering them out of bounds.
Would you agree that there are many sentences that you could speak and Tyson Clabo could speak and they would have very different meanings based upon your envorinment, background and sensibilities to the implication of certain buzzwords?
You really need to stop commenting on what you think black people are supposed to do because they are black. It is bad form.
I'm not reaching for anything. I gave you an accurate thumbnail of NFL player sociology. (I have spent time in NFL locker rooms, btw, as a working journalist and have observed the culture firsthand. Not that you'll give it any credence.) 
