Colts shopping Robert Mathis (pats involved)

[BradyFTW!]

I also imagine Mathis playing as a situational pass rusher in the Mike Wright mould. It's not out of the realm of possibilities I just don't think it'll get done. It would bring an interesting "fear" factor to the defense with the acquisition of another name.

I agree that if we traded for him, it would be for that role. He would basically replace Mark Anderson, and play more since he's better. But I think we can all agree that he isn't an every-down (or even most-downs) player in this D.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

If Green-Ellis left the Pats, he wouldn't find a starting job. He could probably 'contribute' somewhere. I don't know what that level of contribution would be, but he could at least give a starter a breather. Maybe a short yardage back for a team with a finesse starter?

Wicked Pissah! Just 5 days after Law Firm wins the case against the Jets bigtime and he's relegated to the back bench.

In Bleeping Credible!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

the chemistry on the defense is already shaky as it is. it's not that the guys aren't getting along with one another it's that they haven't played together very long. adding another guy like mathis might not help.

getting mathis and wayne, however, i would do in a heart beat. bye bye ocho lol.

 

[Horace's Ivories]

love mathis - trade it

 

[jbb9s]

The drawbacks are minimal?? How do you figure? The guy is 6'2 and 245lbs. He's never played in a 2 gap system. So, it's a huge assumption that he'd be an upgrade to the system.

Again, you chose to overlook that the team has been getting pressure on opposing QBs and say let's throw a 3rd round pick and 1.5 million out the window in the faint hope the guy can come in and be productive?

I think it's more likely I guess one of the powerball numbers this weekend than it is for Mathis to come in and be productive.. But that's just me..

I think its a huge stretch to say that its a "huge assumption" that Mathis could contribute. I suppose you are just trying to make your point that you disagree with the idea of bringing in Mathis.

I'd say that it might be risky, say, on par with drafting a QB that hasn't started since HS and being one of the only teams in the league not to carry a 3rd string, or drafting a mid-major QB and converting him to WR, or signing a malcontent receiver who legally changed his last name to his jersey number, or going for a 4th and 2 on your own half of the field against the colts. This game is all about risks.

1.5 MM out the window? Nominal. Its a billion dollar franchise. They are under the cap. How much money did they save by cutting their safeties?

 

[ausbacker]

I stand by that comment, well, at least the original comment before you distorted it's intent. If Green-Ellis left the Pats, he wouldn't find a starting job. He could probably 'contribute' somewhere. I don't know what that level of contribution would be, but he could at least give a starter a breather. Maybe a short yardage back for a team with a finesse starter?

Hey, don't look now, but Mark Anderson is on pace for 11 sacks.

You mean those two bolded lines being misrepresented as posted by you below? Forgive me for having no respect for any of your football related opinions further validated in this thread.

In the realm of starting NFL RBs, Green-Ellis definitely falls in the lower half of the talent pool.

Based on what I've seen in an admittedly short period of time with Ridley is that he should be displacing Green-Ellis for the most part.

Yup, now he's back and he lost his job.

Embarassing? You've got to be kidding. Do you really think that an undrafted free agent who barely cracked 1,000 yds one time has any job security? Dependable for some time? One season. NFL history is littered with guys who had one decent year then disappeared.

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I'm not even saying Ridley is going to be anything more than an average back, but he's clearly more talented than Green-Ellis. We've seen Green-Ellis' ceiling. It's not a high ceiling. He wouldn't even be getting carries on most teams.

Like I said, I'm not anointing Ridley anything.

BJGE's body of work tells me he's a consistent, plodding RB who doesn't make mistakes and rarely makes a big play. Thus far Ridley's body of work shows he has some potential to create big plays. You can't teach that. OTOH you can teach ball security and pass protection.

So you don't think he's benefitting hugely by being on the best offense in the NFL with a HOF/NFL MVP QB which the defenses are spending 100% their effort trying to stop? Do you honestly think they even pay attention to Green-Ellis in game planning?

How can I misrepresent a comment when you've stated BenJarvus Green-Ellis wouldn't be getting carries on most teams and falls in the lower half of the talent pool?

 

[JJDChE]

Wicked Pissah! Just 5 days after Law Firm wins the case against the Jets bigtime and he's relegated to the back bench.

In Bleeping Credible!

It was, by far, the best game of his career. I'm not against giving the guy credit. It was great to watch, but I'm realistic about the his talent.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

It was, by far, the best game of his career. I'm not against giving the guy credit. It was great to watch, but I'm realistic about the his talent.

Your hyperbole regarding 22 belies this claim of being realistic

 

[JJDChE]

You mean those two bolded lines being misrepresented as posted by you below? Forgive me for having no respect for any of your football related opinions further validated in this thread.

How can I misrepresent a comment when you've stated BenJarvus Green-Ellis wouldn't be getting carries on most teams and falls in the lower half of the talent pool?

Did I say ALL TEAMS? No? Then you've misrepresented my comment.

Thanks for playing 'Reading Comprehension is Cool!', your prize is in the mail.

 

[JJDChE]

Your hyperbole regarding 22 belies this claim of being realistic

Huh? It was the best game of his career, by far.

He's only had 3 games over 100 yds in his career, the best being 112 yds.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Really? Can you name anyone currently on this roster who could realistically get to double digit sacks like Mathis? This defense needs help. Even if Mathis is a 'rental player', adding a credible passrush could potentially help this porous secondary so much!

And did you honestly say - "if BB let the DL not worry about also playing the run"? Hello, if you don't stop the run in this league, you're dead in the water. 3rd and longs are a lot easier to stop than 3rd and shorts. If you're not stopping the run on early downs you're setting yourself up for 3rd and shorts and that opens up the playbook for the opposing offense.

I couldn't agree more. If the Pats could really get Mathis for a 3rd rounder, they should definitely do it. At this point the pass rush is so anemic, a guy like this can only be an upgrade.

 

[fair catch fryar]

I don't like the move. I don't think he'd have double digit sacks with the Pats. We can disagree, as clearly you'd like the move. Again, I'd pass.

He doesn't need to get double digit sacks. He just needs to help the D-Line put pressure and to force bad throws. At this point, they're making bad QBs look good, and good QB's look great.

 

[ausbacker]

Wicked Pissah! Just 5 days after Law Firm wins the case against the Jets bigtime and he's relegated to the back bench.

In Bleeping Credible!

Your hyperbole regarding 22 belies this claim of being realistic

JJDChE's been embarrassed and is attempting to backtrack from the black and white print he's put out on the web faster than an intern sitting on Bill Clinton's lap.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that his assessment of players in the NFL isn't satisfactory. That's been observed with the Mathis comment too.

 

[JJDChE]

JJDChE's been embarrassed and is attempting to backtrack from the black and white print he's put out on the web faster than an intern sitting on Bill Clinton's lap.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that his assessment of players in the NFL isn't satisfactory. That's been observed with the Mathis comment too.

I haven't been the only one making the same assessment of Green-Ellis and Mathis.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you should make things up and attribute them to me.

Oh, BTW, backtrack? I just said I stand by my comment. MY comment, not your interpretation of my comment.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Not sure I'd give up a 3rd for 1 year of production. If we really want him I'd wait until he hits FA.

I used to feel this way, but the more the window shuts on Brady and the production they've gotten out of past 3rd picks, I don't feel like it's a huge price to pay at this point. Besides, you know BB will wheel and deal again for draft picks again on draft day.

 

[ausbacker]

I haven't been the only one making the same assessment of Green-Ellis and Mathis.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean you should make things up and attribute them to me.

I didn't make any thing up. I quoted your posts to show you that you're a liar.

Mathis is a pass rushing specialist. He's forté and particular skillset is suited to a defense playing with a lead. You can make the argument about 1 gap versus 2 gap from there. What you can't do is question his quality as a contributor to the Colts defense.

 

[JJDChE]

I didn't make any thing up. I quoted your posts to show you that you're a liar.

The only thing it did was show that you misinterpreted my comments. I have been completely consistent regarding Green-Ellis.

 

[ausbacker]

The only thing it did was show that you misinterpreted my comments. I have been completely consistent regarding Green-Ellis.

I agree that being wrong is at the very least being consistent.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Please read above posts were I clearly stated there's no guarantee that Mathis would work out but just look at his history of production, 9.5+ sacks per season in 6/8 of his previous complete seasons and it is not outrageous to consider that he could become a valuable contributor for the Pats regardless of 'system' which btw HAS changed to a predominantly 4-3 front.

The drawbacks are minimal?? How do you figure? The guy is 6'2 and 245lbs. He's never played in a 2 gap system. So, it's a huge assumption that he'd be an upgrade to the system.

Since when were a 3rd round pick and 1.5m considered huge risks? The Pats draft history is littered with useless 3rd round picks, they hit on them at less than a 20% rate. And 1.5m is chump change in the NFL and you know it. Jarvis -freaking- Green, the 5.4m man got paid more money than that to be a backup player!

Again, you chose to overlook that the team has been getting pressure on opposing QBs and say let's throw a 3rd round pick and 1.5 million out the window in the faint hope the guy can come in and be productive?

Really. You're really telling me with a STRAIGHT FACE that the Pats defense has pressured the QB well enough to help out the secondary?

Numbers don't lie:

New England Patriots pass defense
Total passing yards given up 1,633 Rank #32
Yards per game allowed 326.6 Rank #32
Passing yards given up per play 8.6 Rank #30
Passing 1st downs allowed 79 Rank #32
Passing Plays of 20+ yards allowed 32 Rank #32
Completion percentage allowed 65.5% Rank #26

In sum, the Patriots pass defense is currently the worst defensive unit in the ENTIRE NFL in just about every statistic that matters. You may be telling us that the Pats put enough pressure on the QB to help out the woeful secondary, but the numbers don't support your assertions. We're not talking powerball here, we're saying that if there are ANY steps the Pats can take to improve that mess up above, they need to be taken. Winning teams play to WIN, they don't play 'not to lose'. And success is not gained without taking some measure of risk. Mathis might not be the answer, but neither is the status quo.

Right now mind you this is only speculation by one man named Schefter. We don't even know if this is even in actual talking stages. But if an opportunity presents itself for the Pats to improve, then why wouldn't they grab it?

I think it's more likely I guess one of the powerball numbers this weekend than it is for Mathis to come in and be productive.. But that's just me..

 

[Observer]

Colts are losing, they aren't ******ed. What could they possibly gain by this trade? The only reason their defense even works is because of Mathis and Freeny. Trading Mathis and/or Wayne would be like us trading Seymour and/or Moss because Brady went on IR. Wait a minute... maybe the Colts are ahead of the game