T.J. Moe thread

mgteich said:

No one knows anything. We speculate and analyze. If you wish to believe that Belichick would have Brady throwing to three rookies, you are certaiinly free to have that opinion.

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I think you have a decent point in the unlikelihood of having 3 rookies on a possible 6 man WR group, but I wouldn't be totally shocked either--especially if Belichick feels that's the only way to keep him.

After all, how much worse can they do from last season where our WR3 had 21 catches, or our WR4 had 16 catches?

On top of that, we still have Gronkowski, Hernandez, Amendola, and at least 1-2 other veterans, and that isn't even including the RB's or other TE's. It isn't like Brady will be forced to throw to 3 rookie WRs at the same time.

It already seems like we're going to have 2 rookies on the squad as it is, so to have a third as the WR5 or WR6 really wouldn't be all that different. No matter what they probably aren't going to see too much action as a WR5-6 as it is, so it really wouldn't matter.

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Triumph said:

Why wasnt BJGE drafted?

Bolden is as good as Ridley and he wasnt drafted either. Arian Foster and Victor Cruz werent drafted. Troy Brown was a 7th round pick.

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As Moe on the Simpsons would say "whaaaa?", how is Bolden as good as Ridley ?

QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED

1) Do we carry a punt returner?

2) Do we carry a 4th position receiver?

2a) If so, why?
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Carrying a 3rd rookie WR on the 53 makes no sense at all to me. It makes no difference whether his potential future is in the slot or outside. The Practice Squad is where this type of player goes. What I expect is that a veteran will be active (probably Jones) and one of the drafted rookies will likely be inactive for a good part of the season. It seems to ask a lot to believe that we have found TWO rookies capable of immediate contributions.

So, for me, there is a need for the last WR spot for a Jones, Jenkins or another vet. We need injury insurance plus these player may be better than one of the rookies as far as immediate production.

If Moe were the option, I would rather use the roster spot at another position (9th OL or 5th RB).

Sadly, Moe might be a pre-season star and still (as so many in the past, think Childress) end up cut and on the Practice Squad.

supafly said:

I think you have a decent point in the unlikelihood of having 3 rookies on a possible 6 man WR group, but I wouldn't be totally shocked either--especially if Belichick feels that's the only way to keep him.

After all, how much worse can they do from last season where our WR3 had 21 catches, or our WR4 had 16 catches?

On top of that, we still have Gronkowski, Hernandez, Amendola, and at least 1-2 other veterans, and that isn't even including the RB's or other TE's. It isn't like Brady will be forced to throw to 3 rookie WRs at the same time.

It already seems like we're going to have 2 rookies on the squad as it is, so to have a third as the WR5 or WR6 really wouldn't be all that different. No matter what they probably aren't going to see too much action as a WR5-6 as it is, so it really wouldn't matter.

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mgteich said:

Sadly, Moe might be a pre-season star and still (as so many in the past, think Childress) end up cut and on the Practice Squad.

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I think that's probably the most likely outcome, of course it's only May too--and we have yet to see these players on the field so it's terribly hard to try and predict anything.

If you're going simply by past then yes--definitely.

I also think that you are overrating the positions of WR3 and WR4, who totaled 21 and 16 catches last season. There is absolutely no reason for me to believe that we shouldn't be able to outproduce the 2012 season total at these two positions, no matter if they're a rookie or a vet. The bottom line is that they probably won't see much action (as you agree with), although we'd certainly love to have our WR3 have a 40-45 catch season.

The #3 WR will likely have more catches than last year. After all, we had the top 2 making almost 200 catches. The ball will be more spread out. And while we'll run more 2 TE sets, there will still be lots of 3 WR sets. There always are.

BTW, I would add the #3/#4 together since they rarely were on the team together. I do agree that the #4 WR is a very minor impact player, unless there is a WR injury. If the rookies are ready for prime time by Game One, it is not clear that we fill this roster spot (assuming that we keep STer Edelman).

supafly said:

I think that's probably the most likely outcome, of course it's only May too--and we have yet to see these players on the field so it's terribly hard to try and predict anything.

If you're going simply by past then yes--definitely.

I also think that you are overrating the positions of WR3 and WR4, who totaled 21 and 16 catches last season. There is absolutely no reason for me to believe that we shouldn't be able to outproduce the 2012 season total at these two positions, no matter if they're a rookie or a vet. The bottom line is that they probably won't see much action (as you agree with), although we'd certainly love to have our WR3 have a 40-45 catch season.

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Christian said:

Why wasn't he drafted then?

His numbers aren't overly impressive. I know that doesn't tell the tale always and I'm sure he's a good player. But I seriously doubt we'll have room for him barring an injury to DA or JE. Not a bad guy to have in the mix though.

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Wes Welker was undrafted. Kurt Warner was undrafted. So was Antonio Gates and Priest Holmes. A lot of guys slip through the cracks.

I see no reason to root against a UDFA making the team. If he makes the 53 man roster, the Pats essentially add a contributor to the roster for FREE.

I don't know much about Moe. But the Pats are completely redoing their WR corps. And it makes sense for them to going to hold an open competition at the WR position. May the best men win. Regardless of draft position.

Either Tomkins, Moe or both could make the roster you never know BB doesn't care about draft position or whether the guy was drafted at all just the porduction when the player has opportunities.

Will be a fun position to watch in camp this year.

Practice squad player......

One thing about BB. He may reach for prospects in the draft, he may overvalue over-the-hill veterans (Ocho was cut ages ago but the Pats were still paying for Haynesworth and Ocho thru lost draft picks in 2013) BUT he is a true believer in meritocracy. If Moe proves himself, he is on the team. After all, no one has said BB is not a good judge of on-the-field talent. He believes in competition. Its not how you got to the Pats, its what you do to show you belong.

Man's cold-blooded that way.

Its intriguing to ask why Moe chose the Pats to sign with. Initial post-draft rumors had him pegged on a consignment container bound for Jacksonville -- to reunite with his old Missouri QB Gabbert (coincidentally JAG who happens to be QB of the Jags). Jacksonville is woefully short of WR and would have welcomed Moe with open arms. With Blackmon's suspension, Moe would be a surefire candidate for to make the roster. He would be celebrated as Gabbert's go-to guy, a hard worker, the poor man's Welker, the catch of the season and the apple of Gus Bradley's eye.

So why did Moe sign with the Pats. Give the man points for strategic reasoning. In sports as in life, it pays to start at the top. By signing with the pats, Moe is annointed w/ the BB + Brady pixie dust. Even if he doesn't make the Pats, he will be a catch on the waiver wire. He assured himself of that. And guess, the team that has priority on rookies waived in late august -- Jacksonville. So, Moe reasons the Jags will scoop him up and he comes in not as an UDFA from Missouri but as a guy who almost made the Pats team, one who earned BB + Brady's respect.

IF I'm BB, I don't cut Moe -- if I can possibly trade him. Or maybe 1 WR will go on NON-season ending IR and Moe sticks. Will be fascinating to watch.

Another intriguing point -- given BB's love of Rutgers players is the 1 who got away. Where is Mark Harrison the 6'3" WR? No love for the Rutgers offense, BB?

PatsFanStnfrd said:

Another intriguing point -- given BB's love of Rutgers players is the 1 who got away. Where is Mark Harrison the 6'3" WR? No love for the Rutgers offense, BB?

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Rutgers' defense was ranked 4th in the country. Their offense was in the 100s.

PatsFanStnfrd said:

Another intriguing point -- given BB's love of Rutgers players is the 1 who got away. Where is Mark Harrison the 6'3" WR? No love for the Rutgers offense, BB?

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People I talked to at Rutgers praised Harmon's play and were very critical of Harrison's. To the extent of mocking him for his drops while playing catch.

patsfan13 said:

Either Tomkins, Moe or both could make the roster you never know BB doesn't care about draft position or whether the guy was drafted at all just the porduction when the player has opportunities.

Will be a fun position to watch in camp this year.

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I'll also be watching Andre Holmes, who I thought was one of the better UDFA WRs after the 2011 draft.

And I still wouldn't mind seeing a vet FA WR or two signed, either.

supafly said:

I think that's probably the most likely outcome, of course it's only May too--and we have yet to see these players on the field so it's terribly hard to try and predict anything.

If you're going simply by past then yes--definitely.

I also think that you are overrating the positions of WR3 and WR4, who totaled 21 and 16 catches last season. There is absolutely no reason for me to believe that we shouldn't be able to outproduce the 2012 season total at these two positions, no matter if they're a rookie or a vet. The bottom line is that they probably won't see much action (as you agree with), although we'd certainly love to have our WR3 have a 40-45 catch season.

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I'd say that WR3 and WR4 will be more important this season due to Gronkowski and Hernandez's health issues that will mean they are likely to miss the start of the season. This should give them some time to shine.

Se7eN said:

I'd say that WR3 and WR4 will be more important this season due to Gronkowski and Hernandez's health issues that will mean they are likely to miss the start of the season.

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I would agree with you that the WR3 position should definitely be more important this year, unless we somehow replicate the production of Brandon Llyod's WR2 role last year--which I find doubtful.

One thing though, I'm not sure where you're getting your information that both Gronkowski and Hernandez are likely to miss the start of the season?

I haven't heard anything at all about Hernandez potentially missing any time whatsoever, and Gronk still has 4+ months himself to recover IF he even has surgery.

I would go as far to suggest that the odds are much higher that BOTH of them start the season on time vs. the odds of both of them missing action come September....

captain stone said:

I'll also be watching Andre Holmes, who I thought was one of the better UDFA WRs after the 2011 draft.

And I still wouldn't mind seeing a vet FA WR or two signed, either.

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I agree with both of these thoughts for sure.

Se7eN said:

I'd say that WR3 and WR4 will be more important this season due to Gronkowski and Hernandez's health issues that will mean they are likely to miss the start of the season. This should give them some time to shine.

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Neither Gronk nor Hernandez are likely to miss the start of the season. At this point, neither are likely to miss the start of training camp.

I think Moe chose the Pats because they provide the highest stage for any player. Even if he were cut, tons of Teams cherry pick from the last few cuts from the Pats. Hopefully he stays. Players like this dont grow on trees....