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more likely #98

We must have someone in place to replace him...Jonathan Vilma perhaps?

i dont think 98. i think itll be a 5th. so around 125ish.

and vilma struggled in the 3/4 with the jets
 
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There's absolutely no way this isn't part of some other kind of deal. The way I see it there are just a few possibilities for what's happened here:

1) Vrabel is going to KC for a pick, that pick is going along with Cassel to Carolina for Peppers.

2) Vrabel is going to KC with Cassel, and Shefter just hasn't heard the other end of the deal yet. I'm not seeing this so much, because there clearly has to be another OLB coming back to New England. I just can't see BB trading Vrabel and leaving such a huge hole on the outside without another player coming in. For God's sake they had Rosey Colvin playing out there this year.

3) Vrabel is leaving to KC and this is just a move to free up cap space to sign someone -- maybe Bodden, Mike Brown, someone like that. Again, though, I just don't them making this move without a linebacker coming back. So maybe there's a signing, too. Clark Haggans? Angelo Crowell? Kevin Burnett? Or, being completely crazy maybe, Ray Lewis? None of those options seem to make too much sense.

4) Vrabel goes to KC for a KC player. The two obvious candidates WOULD have been Larry Johnson or Tony Gonzalez, but with the deals for Baker and Taylor sealing the depth at those spots, you'd have to kind of doubt that that's the case. But who else on the roster would you even want? They're not giving up Glenn Dorsey or Dwayne Bowe or Derrick Johnson. The only other guys I can even imagine being in play are Tamba Hali or maybe Brian Waters. Waters would make sense in a vacuum -- a pair of aging vets traded for each other. But the Pats don't really need a 32 year-old guard, even one as good as Waters.

5) Vrabel is going to KC for picks and this isn't a precursor for another concrete move on the Pats' part. This is possible, I guess -- the Pats deciding to trim fat from the roster and getting rid of some expensive old guys in exchange for picks. But to me his doesn't make sense, either, because in all other respects the Pats are behaving like a team gearing up for a major veteran-driven championship run. You don't sign an older guy like Fred Taylor and then jettison a guy like Vrabel (who plays a position of extreme need) in the same day just for general fiscal responsibility purposes.


Overall, the only way this even makes sense at all from New England's standpoint is if this is a precursor to another move that brings back a player who is better than Vrabel at Vrabel's position. How many guys are there like that who are available? It has to be Peppers, or someone like that.
 
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I hope it was'nt for Pollard.....:p
 
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I think this means the Pats like a lot of the OLB options that will be on board at #23 and opted to get value out of Vrable rather than have a rookie have to sit behind him & AD.
 
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Wacky off the wall theory (sorry if some other loon thought of it first since I have been having trouble accessing this thread):

This is part of an unofficial three way trade. The Pats get a player and/or draft picks for Vrabel. The Pats then package this compensation and Cassel to Carolina for Julius Peppers. Since there are rumors that the Pats are interested, it would make some sense and make Vrabel expendable. Not crazy about the idea, but it make sense.

BTW, the guys on WEEI think this is a precursor of Cassel to the Chiefs for potentially the #3 pick.
 
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BTW, WEEI said that John Clayton is reporting that the Chiefs traded ONE undisclosed draft pick for Vrabel.
 
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I don't believe this has anything to do with draft prospects as the draft is simply too far away..........given who they have, somebody else is already on their way here to take vrabel's place.........at this point, making room for someone who might be there at #23 of the draft makes no sense
 
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There could be lot of things brewing i just can't wait for something more to happen andi hope it is very veyr soon like today but i have a feeling it'll be a few day before we hear the end of all of this
 
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I'm not necessarily saying this is what I think is going to happen, but isn't anyone concerned that maybe that actually have to keep Cassel, all $14+ million of him, and legitimately need to clear cap space?
 
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Correction: Vilma has shown himself to be ineffective in a Jet's 3-4 defense.

That is true. He didn't have a NT like Wilfork opening lanes for him. Still I don't know if the Pats would want to pay Vilma to risk that it was the case.
 
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BTW, the guys on WEEI think this is a precursor of Cassel to the Chiefs for potentially the #3 pick.

This isn't meant facetiously, but why would trading for Vrabel make it more likely that they'll get Cassel as well? :confused:
 
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That is true. He didn't have a NT like Wilfork opening lanes for him. Still I don't know if the Pats would want to pay Vilma to risk that it was the case.

True, but BB has always wanted Vilma, so he must think he'd fit in the scheme. There's always a risk, but probably not moreso than with any other player.
 
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i find it hard to think they're doing this for the #3 pick when there are no gurantees curry would still be there. i would lean towards peppers(or i guess i'm hoping)
 
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I'm not necessarily saying this is what I think is going to happen, but isn't anyone concerned that maybe that actually have to keep Cassel, all $14+ million of him, and legitimately need to clear cap space?

I refuse to believe that's their plan; it doesn't make sense for either side. If they're going to keep him, I'm all but sure they'll extend his contract to get salary cap relief.
 
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