Moss's Chase of the Checkbook indicates he's reverted to "Raider Randy"

[Wotan_the_Wanderer]

I just don't get what it is about fans in NE that they have to either freak out or get out in front of character assinations and player bashing when players leave or are even rumored to be leaving...

Not that I think Joe's guilty of the above, but I know what you mean. Hell, I probably D-I-D resort to that on one account. But in fairness to Boston sports fans, we do come around four or five years later and end up exhibiting class in the long run even though those four or five years in between are filled with serious venom.

 

[JoeSixPat]

None of those same mediots have been able to confirm Randy being in contact with anyone. And he and his agent haven't talked to anyone. I'm sure his agent has talked to other teams - that is how you gauge your market as a FA.

So.... your trashing me for saying that I'm sure his agent has talked to other teams.

And you're saying that you're "sure his agent has talked to other teams." That's a bit confusing.

My point is and remains that I'm concerned after hearing all this talk from Moss just a few weeks ago that winning was more important than money and that he only wanted to play with the Patriots.

I'm not trying to trash Moss but when the time came for negotiations, as you say, "you're sure" his agent contacted other teams. Yes, that's an area of concern for me, no doubt about it.

And I'd be just as upfront about my concern if Brady did the same thing should he ever be approaching free agency as well. It would certainly be out of character for him.

 

[dhamz]

Clearly Raider Randy was simply chasing the checkbook.

 

[pepper03]

I guess maybe Randy did mean what he said after all.

 

[eom]

Hate to add another Moss thread but I think it's important to broadcast this notion to the football world.

lolololololololololololololololololololololololol!!!!

 

[JoeSixPat]

lolololololololololololololololololololololololol!!!!

And you think the Patriots were only willing to commit $12 million and three years to him exactly why?

I think the Pats specifically WANTED a short contract to keep Moss hungry.

Now let's see if those of you who denied that Moss was shopping himself to other teams were right.

 

[eom]

And you think the Patriots were only willing to commit $12 million and three years to him exactly why?

I think the Pats specifically WANTED a short contract to keep Moss hungry.

Now let's see if those of you who denied that Moss was shopping himself to other teams were right.

dude, you sound like all the pats bashers all year.
every time they made some horrible prediction that blew up intheir face about the pats getting beat, or randy is a cancer, or the run game sux, or the defense is horrible, they'd just keep right on spinning it for the next week until the blind squirrel could find that nut.
you want to make a point of hopping up on your high horse and judging somebody else, so right now MY advice to YOU is to just stfu and own up to your mistake and your horrible prediction.

there comes a point in time when the smart thing is to stop digging.

 

[BPF]

Just heard that the Eagles offered Randy more money and he chose to come back. This reverting to "Raider Randy" is all a bunch of horse crap. Randy got $15m guaranteed while Berrian got $16m, so Mr. Moss is definitely a man of his word and we all know now that winning is very, very important to him. He put his money where his mouth is.

 

[VJCPatriot]

OP can eat crow now.

Moss got big money, but it's a very fair deal considering his talent level and the market.

 

[spacecrime]

dude, you sound like all the pats bashers all year.
every time they made some horrible prediction that blew up intheir face about the pats getting beat, or randy is a cancer, or the run game sux, or the defense is horrible, they'd just keep right on spinning it for the next week until the blind squirrel could find that nut.
you want to make a point of hopping up on your high horse and judging somebody else, so right now MY advice to YOU is to just stfu and own up to your mistake and your horrible prediction.

there comes a point in time when the smart thing is to stop digging.

JoeSixPat = Felger

Pats and Moss can do no right.

Pats didn't sign Moss?
Pats are cheap, BB/SP have lost their touch, etc

Pat sign Moss?
a) Pats didn't pay him enough, or
b) Pats overpaid for him


Moss didn't sign with Pats?
It's the old Randy Moss, cares only for money

Moss signs with Pats:
Moss talked to other teams while negotiating, how dedicated can he be?

BLECH!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Keegs]

I learned so much about football in this thread.

 

[Bella*chick]

Oh, please, Joe isn't guilty of doing ANYTHING tons of other posters have done over and over and over and OVER again. All he did was express some doubt and an opinion about it, which is what this MB is for. As if a bunch of other people weren't worried about where the Moss thing was going, including me.

Let's just all calm down and stop taking swipes at each other already. HE'S HERE. It's happy time.:singing:

 

[VJCPatriot]

JoeSixPat = Felger

Pats and Moss can do no right.

Pats didn't sign Moss?
Pats are cheap, BB/SP have lost their touch, etc

Pat sign Moss?
a) Pats didn't pay him enough, or
b) Pats overpaid for him


Moss didn't sign with Pats?
It's the old Randy Moss, cares only for money

Moss signs with Pats:
Moss talked to other teams while negotiating, how dedicated can he be?

BLECH!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly. Calling Moss "Raider Randy" was uncalled for. Especially when the negotiations hadn't even resolved yet. Just eat the crow OP and get it over with. You overreacted. That can be forgiven, but not when you act self-righteous as if you were right all along in the first place. Given tonight's news, your character assassination of Randy Moss is clearly uncalled for, unfair, and inaccurate. So man up already.

 

[eom]

I doubt very much the op will show the backbone to own up to his own failings --- it'll be much easier for him to axe grind somebody else.
the pattern w/these guys is always that they base some opinion or innuendo on nothing more than rumor or shoddy prediction that can't possibly be proven one way or the other, then when some time passes and their shoddy prediction is debunked they're hiding in their holes counting on everyone to just forget so they can move on to their next boneheaded prediction.
he's probably been talking out his ass about things he has no clue about all his life --- don't expect him to change now.

edit:

Hate to add another Moss thread but I think it's important to broadcast this notion to the football world.

this line was so goddamn funny I should replace the tomlinson sig.

 

[JoeSixPat]

OP can eat crow now.

Moss got big money, but it's a very fair deal considering his talent level and the market.

Umm let's see:

Moss gets $12 million guaranteed.

Stallworth gets $10 million guaranteed.

Seeing how Moss blew away Stallworth statistically, why do you think Moss's guaranteed value (which is really all that counts) was so comparitively low?

You certianly won't hear anyone in the Patriots front office bash Moss now that he's signed, but I think the numbers indicate that they too had some concerns and weren't willing to commit to anywhere near the type of long term, huge guaranteed money that he wanted.

Beyond that I take offense at being compared to Felger who is consistently anti-Patriot.

I want what is best for this team - and I was very upfront about my concerns about signing Moss, given his history in Oakland, to a long term contract with a lot of guranteed money.

Looks like Belichick and Pioli were as well.

I'd like to think that Patriots fans can actually look at the facts and have a realistic view of the situation but apparently that's not the case.

But the numbers do not lie folks. 23 touchdown passes and the front office is only willing to give slightly more guarnteed than Stallworth.

I'll be rooting for Moss week in and week out and am truly GLAD that the Patriots have protected themselves with a short contract with limited guaranteed money. But I'm not going to insult my intelligence or anyone elses by making believe none of the concerns the Patriots clearly seem to have aren't real.

 

[eom]

I'm not going to insult my intelligence

looks like another bad assumption......
told you these guys were chronic.

 

[JoeSixPat]

looks like another bad assumption......
told you these guys were chronic.

And apparently someone's not up to addressing points relevant to football and needs to make the same insult three times.

Care to try to address the relevant facts here?

Everyone says concerns about Moss's character are invalid.

Clearly the front office DOES have concerns and covered themselves with this contract.

That radical thought has apparently earned me the nickname of Felger and a string of insults by obscure and irrelevant board members.

Yet it's difficult to ignore how the market values Moss in terms of guranteed money (which most would agree is the only relevant $):

Moss - 23 TDs, 98 catches 1493 yards = $12 million

Stallworth - 3 TDs. 46 catches, 697 yards = $10 million.

I'm interested in seeing how you view that as a ringing endorsement from the football world rather than an expression of concern about giving him a long-term contract with a huge bonus. I'd also be interested in seeing if you offer anything more than insults in a response.

 

[eom]

I WAS RIGHT!!! I'LL SHOW THE WORLD I WAS RIGHT!!!.

for a guy who doesn't know wtf he's talking about, you are extremely longwinded.

 

[patriotspride]

Hate to add another Moss thread but I think it's important to broadcast this notion to the football world.

While Moss was here he demonstrated his ability to act like a team player (which is easier when you're getting enough passes thrown your way to set NFL records and aren't losing any games).

He also went on the record saying that money wasn't the most important thing - that winning was. He said - pleaded with Bob Kraft and Belichick publicly in fact - that he wanted to remain a Patriot and wanted to play with Brady.

Part of me felt that was all about Randy posturing, saying the right things to get the highest payday after his one year deal with the Pats. But I wanted to believe otherwise and in fact did eventually.

All of that was significant as when in Oakland it became clear to everyone that Randy was all about the money - not winning, and was a bad teammate that hurt rather than helped his team.

Well, now Randy is sending a loud message to the NFL about who the REAL Randy Moss is.

By all but turning his back on the Patriots and shopping himself to other teams he's made it clear that everything he said before about money and winning and being a good teammate was Bull$h!t.

This should give any GM or owner - including Belichick and Kraft - serious pause when contemplating whether to give this guy a multi-year $10 million a year contract. They all know now that his words about winning and teamwork mean nothing. It's all about the money.

And THAT tell us all that he's reverted to Raider Randy - a guy who, once he has a guaranteed contract in hand, isn't going to give it his all, and might actually be a detriment to the team, just as he was in Oakland.

I think Moss has miscalculated his moves - and may find that his offers are heading south the longer this saga continues. And whether its the Patriots or some other team that signs him, I'm very much worried as to the value he'll bring, and how hard he'll work with a long-term contract with dozens of millions of dollars guaranteed.

In a nutshell, Moss has sent a loud message to the NFL in his dealings with the Patriots - let the buyer beware... Raider Randy is back.

it seems you jumped the gun

 

[dhamz]

Care to try to address the relevant facts here?

OK.

You started this thread with that when Moss said he wanted to stay in New England and that money wasn't the most important factor to him that he was lying. You believed he was only saying the right thing and his actions proved you were right. You felt the need broadcast it to the football world.

He has now signed in NE - for less than he could have gotten elsewhere. He's done what he said he would, what you said he was lying about. Your assumptions were wrong.

And now the fact is you can't type the words "I was wrong."

As for the new point you appear to be clinging to - at least get the numbers right. Per the guy who negotiated the contract, it is 15m not 12m guaranteed.