Josh McDaniels

[fumbrunner]

The biggest mistake denver made was putting a first time head of coach in charge of player personnel. A strong GM and I suspect the story would have been different in denver.

 

[ausbacker]

It’s not about turning it around it’s about a trend of poor play.

• 2008 the Broncos finish tied for 1st in the AFC West with an 8-8 behind their 3rd year QB Jay Cutler who was 3rd in the NFL with 4,526 passing yards and 7th in the NFL with 25 touchdown passes.
• 2009 Josh comes along the team wins its first 6 games and but finishes 2-8.
• 2010 the team wins 2 of its first 4 and then goes 2-10 the rest of the season.
• 2011 John Fox takes over the team starts 2-5 but Fox gets them on track as the season progresses and the team finishes up 6-3 makes the playoffs and wins 1 game before losing to us in the divisional game.

So there you have a team trending forward, Josh comes in turns that trend downward quickly and when he leaves John Fox is able to turn it back around.

The causation that you're attempting to link is simply unfathomable Brady6. If it's a trend of poor play, how is that McDaniels' fault and not that of the players? I'd suggest it's a little of both.

Fox bore the fruits of the hard decisions McDaniels made. Why you're attempting to state that Fox coming in fixed whatever pressing issues the Broncos had is beyond my understanding.

Ron Rivera has taken 3 years to see results from the leftovers (and considerable holes) that Fox left the Panthers with.

 

[fumbrunner]

I think that would be the worst decision in the history of this franchise.

We disagree.... Shocker!

 

[Sciz]

Get used to the idea. Reiss mentioned it years ago when McDaniels went to Denver. Ever since he came back, all the whispers seem to indicate that if BB hangs it up in 2-3 years that's the way it would play out.

He retires, McDaniels gets Brady to transition for a couple seasons, and then they move on to the next chapter. Scary to think about, but that seems to be the way things are headed.

Which, of course, opens the door to a duo of McDaniels as the HC and Caserio as the GM. The two were teammates at, of all places, John Carroll. Then all they need to do is bring in Greg Roman as the OC, London Fletcher as the DC, and Brian Polian as the ST Coordinator. Bam, a quantity of John Carroll alumni that will make everybody forget about Rutgers.

 

[Brady6]

The causation that you're attempting to link is simply unfathomable Brady6. If it's a trend of poor play, how is that McDaniels' fault and not that of the players? I'd suggest it's a little of both.

Fox bore the fruits of the hard decisions McDaniels made. Why you're attempting to state that Fox coming in fixed whatever pressing issues the Broncos had is beyond my understanding.

Ron Rivera has taken 3 years to see results from the leftovers (and considerable holes) that Fox left the Panthers with.

Look at it in simple terms

2008: 8-8
First half 2009: 6-2
Second half 2009: 2-6
2010: 4-12
First half 2011: 3-5
Second half 2011: 5-3

Essentially the team fell into valley after 8 games with McDaniels as the head coach, remained in that valley until about 7-8 games after he wasn't the head coach. I guess it could be correlation vs. causation and I could be way off but to me there was average-bad-average and the bad portion all was due to McDaniels or coincidently came within a half of season of his arrival and left within a half of season of his departure.

 

[ausbacker]

Look at it in simple terms

2008: 8-8
First half 2009: 6-2
Second half 2009: 2-6
2010: 4-12
First half 2011: 3-5
Second half 2011: 5-3

Essentially the team fell into valley after 8 games with McDaniels as the head coach, remained in that valley until about 7-8 games after he wasn't the head coach. I guess it could be correlation vs. causation and I could be way off but to me there was average-bad-average and the bad portion all was due to McDaniels or coincidently came within a half of season of his arrival and left within a half of season of his departure.

No, you don't look at it in simple terms. You look at the cumulative factors affecting a situation. McDaniels was charged with correcting a toxic locker room. He moved on players he deemed problematic and began to bring in players to address the issues he saw. Sure, he made some mistakes but who doesn't?

I'm not particularly high on McDaniels as a HC as he doesn't (to my untrained eye) command attention from a group of grown men but to dismiss the fine work he did whilst being stabbed in the back by the Denver brass isn't looking at the situation objectively.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

No, you don't look at it in simple terms. You look at the cumulative factors affecting a situation. McDaniels was charged with correcting a toxic locker room. He moved on players he deemed problematic and began to bring in players to address the issues he saw. Sure, he made some mistakes but who doesn't?

I'm not particularly high on McDaniels as a HC as he doesn't (to my untrained eye) command attention from a group of grown men but to dismiss the fine work he did whilst being stabbed in the back by the Denver brass isn't looking at the situation objectively.

Heck, even with a Super Bowl victory, BB was only 19–16 in his first two seasons in Foxboro.

 

[Brady6]

No, you don't look at it in simple terms. You look at the cumulative factors affecting a situation. McDaniels was charged with correcting a toxic locker room. He moved on players he deemed problematic and began to bring in players to address the issues he saw. Sure, he made some mistakes but who doesn't?

I'm not particularly high on McDaniels as a HC as he doesn't (to my untrained eye) command attention from a group of grown men but to dismiss the fine work he did whilst being stabbed in the back by the Denver brass isn't looking at the situation objectively.

What was toxic about the roster, Cutler and Marshall, because they don’t seem to be toxic together in Chicago? I am not suggesting they’re ideal character figures but if Josh was the type of coach I would want to replace Belichick he would have been able to rectify the situation without trading away 2 superior talents entering their 4th NFL season. Belichick has made a career out of taking character problems and getting them on track – Moss, Dillon, Talib and so many others.

As far as the circumstances to me it is really simple if something is at level 5, you insert McDaniels it drops to level 1, you remove McDaniels and it returns to level 5 – it must be McDaniels.

I am looking at it as objectively as possible, in my opinion you don’t replace the greatest of all time with some who had such turmoil as a head coach, and he took over a team led by Mike Shanahan and led it to the most loses it had ever had in a season within a year of taking over.

The best way to predict the future is to look at history, and the history shows that the last time McDaniels took over for the best coach a franchise had ever had he failed miserably only to return to his prior role in the NFL as an offensive coordinator and lead the Rams to 12.1 PPG and the 32nd out of 32nd worst offense in the NFL. Now Josh is back with Belichick and has Tom Brady as a QB and people have this shiny star vision of him that does not exist. Let me ask you this question, if McDaniels was such a promising coach why did Jeff Fisher let him leave St. Louis immediately for no compensation and hire Brian Schottenheimer considered by many to be an average at best coordinator?

 

[Christiancat]

I have a ton of respect for MR. McDaniels. He drafted Tebow and I believe has done a lot of good things as offensive coordinator for the Pats. Best of luck to him in whatever he does. If Josh becomes head coach of the Pats in 3-5 years, he will have my full support.

 

[Claremonster]

I have a ton of respect for MR. McDaniels. He drafted Tebow and I believe has done a lot of good things as offensive coordinator for the Pats. Best of luck to him in whatever he does. If Josh becomes head coach of the Pats in 3-5 years, he will have my full support.

Drafting Teblow was one of his biggest mistakes actually.

 

[Christiancat]

Drafting Teblow was one of his biggest mistakes actually.

in whose eyes? yours?

oh and it is Tebow not Teblow.

 

[Claremonster]

What was toxic about the roster, Cutler and Marshall, because they don’t seem to be toxic together in Chicago? I am not suggesting they’re ideal character figures but if Josh was the type of coach I would want to replace Belichick he would have been able to rectify the situation without trading away 2 superior talents entering their 4th NFL season. Belichick has made a career out of taking character problems and getting them on track – Moss, Dillon, Talib and so many others.

As far as the circumstances to me it is really simple if something is at level 5, you insert McDaniels it drops to level 1, you remove McDaniels and it returns to level 5 – it must be McDaniels.

I am looking at it as objectively as possible, in my opinion you don’t replace the greatest of all time with some who had such turmoil as a head coach, and he took over a team led by Mike Shanahan and led it to the most loses it had ever had in a season within a year of taking over.

The best way to predict the future is to look at history, and the history shows that the last time McDaniels took over for the best coach a franchise had ever had he failed miserably only to return to his prior role in the NFL as an offensive coordinator and lead the Rams to 12.1 PPG and the 32nd out of 32nd worst offense in the NFL. Now Josh is back with Belichick and has Tom Brady as a QB and people have this shiny star vision of him that does not exist. Let me ask you this question, if McDaniels was such a promising coach why did Jeff Fisher let him leave St. Louis immediately for no compensation and hire Brian Schottenheimer considered by many to be an average at best coordinator?

Cu(n)tler is an entitled pusified crybaby that demanded ass kissing from McD, and McD didn't put up with his BS. Bravo! Marshall was a massive loose cannon ready to go chimpout mode at any time. I thought this was common knowledge

 

[Claremonster]

in whose eyes? yours?

oh and it is Teblow not Tebow.

Is that the reason why horse face Elway couldn't get rid of the guy fast enough

 

[Brady6]

Heck, even with a Super Bowl victory, BB was only 19–16 in his first two seasons in Foxboro.

Bill won 54% of his games, Josh won 37% of his – that is the difference between the playoffs and a top 10 pick most years.

The biggest difference is the trend; Belichick coached 35 games in his first 2 season; he was 2-8 in his first 10 games here and then 17-8 with one super bowl victory over his next 25 games. Josh McDaniels coached 32 games in Denver and he was 6-4 in his first 10 games and then 6-16 in his next 22 games.

 

[Brady6]

Cu(n)tler is an entitled pusified crybaby that demanded ass kissing from McD, and McD didn't put up with his BS. Bravo! Marshall was a massive loose cannon ready to go chimpout mode at any time. I thought this was common knowledge

It was common knowledge.

Do you think that Randy Moss wasn’t either of those things? Or Talib?

 

[Christiancat]

Is that the reason why horse face Elway couldn't get rid of the guy fast enough

Well there were many teams trying to get Peyton to come on as their QB after he cameback from his neck surgeries. Peyton is a better QB than Tebow so of course they (the Broncos) are going to jump at Peyton. That doesn't mean Tebow is bad, but rather it means that Manning is better.There were several teams like the Titans and a few others that would have replaced their current QB with Peyton if he would have accepted their offer. Peyton was offer the starting job by a few teams after he came back from his surgeries and was available.

 

[Brady6]

in whose eyes? yours?

oh and it is Tebow not Teblow.

Anyone who follows the NFL could tell you that if you draft a player with the 25th overall selection and he not on your team within 2 years and out of the NFL before the end of his rookie contract it was a huge draft mistake. It is undebatable. In Josh’s defense the 2010 draft class for QBs in recent memory:

1. Sam Bradford
2. Tim Tebow
3. Jimmy Clausen
4. Colt McCoy
5. Mike Kafka
6. John Skelton
7. Jonathan Crompton
8. Rusty Smith
9. Dan LeFevour
10. Tony Pike
11. Levi Brown
12. Sean Canfield
13. Zac Robinson

 

[Christiancat]

Anyone who follows the NFL could tell you that if you draft a player with the 25th overall selection and he not on your team within 2 years and out of the NFL before the end of his rookie contract it was a huge draft mistake. It is undebatable. In Josh’s defense the 2010 draft class for QBs in recent memory:

1. Sam Bradford
2. Tim Tebow
3. Jimmy Clausen
4. Colt McCoy
5. Mike Kafka
6. John Skelton
7. Jonathan Crompton
8. Rusty Smith
9. Dan LeFevour
10. Tony Pike
11. Levi Brown
12. Sean Canfield
13. Zac Robinson

What matters most is whether Josh thinks any of his draft choices were a mistake. So far to my knowledge Josh hasn't came out and declared Tebow a draft mistake. I personally don't feel Josh made a mistake drafting Tebow. His critics may feel otherwise.

 

[Brady6]

What matters most is whether Josh thinks any of his draft choices were a mistake. So far to my knowledge Josh hasn't came out and declared Tebow a draft mistake. I personally don't feel Josh made a mistake drafting Tebow. His critics may feel otherwise.

No what matter most is what the players do in the NFL this isn't little league they don't give trophies to everyone just for showing up.

Furthermore in my 25 years as a fan of the NFL I don't think I've ever hear anyone stand up at the podium and say I made a bad draft selection.

 

[Claremonster]

It was common knowledge.

Do you think that Randy Moss wasn’t either of those things? Or Talib?

Moss and Talib were low risk rewards. Somewhat Marshall too now that he found his marbles and settled down as of late. Cutler is still an assclown baby though. The Bears are better off with McCown at qb imo. He isn't that bad of a qb and won't cost $16m a year for playing 50-75% of your games either.