The Onslought of Tebow Only Fans (TOF)

[Salva135]

Salva,

I'm willing to wager that the number of Tebow "fans" crying for him to be a starter won't crack double digits. Sure, there might be the odd person stopping in for a drive by who claims that Tebow is the greatest ever, but all the Tebow fans that I know are much more realistic and wouldn't even come close to suggesting such a thing.

With the Jets ? With Sanchez crapping the bed last year, and the year before, and being a bottom 10 QB his entire 4 year career, a completely different story. With Denver ? After Kyle Orton had gone 5-22 (or something like that) ? Yeah, again, a different story. Funny thing is that if Tebow wasn't in the NFL and Brady somehow went anything close to 5-22, I'd bet my house that plenty of people would be calling for whomever his backup was at the time.

I'm not even talking QB, I'm talking ANY position. What is the point of posting Tebow vs. Hernandez combine stats when clearly Hernandez plays the position exceptionally well and Tebow hasn't proven himself capable of even stepping on the field as one? It's just pointless blather.

BB doesn't put someone on the 53 who can't contribute, so if he's on it, you'll see him. And BB will never talk him up to do anything (or discuss him period), so he'll never be misled in this organization. I bet the coaching staff is very straightforward with his duties and expectations. That's the difference you get here vs. in the swamps of New Jersey and Rex.

It's going to be an interesting training camp. My only advice at this point is - don't get too attached. If he's here in September, then he did something right.

 

[Ironman44]

I'm not even talking QB, I'm talking ANY position. What is the point of posting Tebow vs. Hernandez combine stats when clearly Hernandez plays the position exceptionally well and Tebow hasn't proven himself capable of even stepping on the field as one? It's just pointless blather.

Did you actually read post ? It had nothing to do with Tebow playing TE , it had to do with the comment that was made that AH's Athleticism was ...and I quote... "Laughably" better .

I then posted the nfl combine stats ( where Tebow beats ah in every category except 1) I even made a disclaimer that Tebow was probably not a TE and after even said that AH was a great nfl TE and Tebow was not even close . I made a disclaimer BEFORE and AFTER

My post has been taken waaaaaay out of context .

 

[Salva135]

Did you actually read post ? It had nothing to do with Tebow playing TE , it had to do with the comment that was made that AH's Athleticism was ...and I quote... "Laughably" better .

I then posted the nfl combine stats ( where Tebow beats ah in every category except 1) I even made a disclaimer that Tebow was probably not a TE and after even said that AH was a great nfl TE and Tebow was not even close . I made a disclaimer BEFORE and AFTER

My post has been taken waaaaaay out of context .

Ok well then, no one cares about the "athleticism" comparison between Tebow and Hernandez because Hernandez plays the TE position at a very high level in the pros and Tebow has no real experience. Soo... before you get all upset about an athleticism comparison between the two, recognize that Hernandez is proven and awesome, and Tebow is not.

Why would you post those combine comparisons other than to suggest that Tebow could step into the TE role as well as Hernandez?

 

[Demosthenes]

I'm not even talking QB, I'm talking ANY position. What is the point of posting Tebow vs. Hernandez combine stats when clearly Hernandez plays the position exceptionally well and Tebow hasn't proven himself capable of even stepping on the field as one? It's just pointless blather.

BB doesn't put someone on the 53 who can't contribute, so if he's on it, you'll see him. And BB will never talk him up to do anything (or discuss him period), so he'll never be misled in this organization. I bet the coaching staff is very straightforward with his duties and expectations. That's the difference you get here vs. in the swamps of New Jersey and Rex.

It's going to be an interesting training camp. My only advice at this point is - don't get too attached. If he's here in September, then he did something right.

Salva, the Tebow vs. Hernandez combine stats were posted in a thread titled "should Tebow be used as a QB or TE". First question I'd have is whether a person was athletic enough to be a TE. If not, no reason to get into a deeper or more complicated discussion about it. Good way to illustrate that a person might very well be athletic enough for the position ? Post his three cone and shuttle drill times as compared to one of the best TEs in the business.

I really don't understand why people absolutely lose their minds when it comes to someone posting comparison stats for Tebow, when those very same people will turn around and compare two other players in a heads up stats comparison.

Seriously, if there was a thought of converting any other 2nd/3rd stringer to TE, and someone posted his shuttle and 3 cone times with a comparison to Hernandez's to demonstrate that he was athletic enough so it might work, there wouldn't be any kind of fuss about it.

 

[Quientus]

Ok well then, no one cares about the "athleticism" comparison between Tebow and Hernandez because Hernandez plays the TE position at a very high level in the pros and Tebow has no real experience. Soo... before you get all upset about an athleticism comparison between the two, recognize that Hernandez is proven and awesome, and Tebow is not.

Why would you post those combine comparisons other than to suggest that Tebow could step into the TE role as well as Hernandez?

Eh ? I may be mistaken, but are you not the one getting upset ? He isn't saying Tebow is better than AH ..., just that Coming out of the Combine Tebow scored higher in the Drills (at the Combine) except in one ...

@ Demo - Wonder when CC is going to post ... ?

 

[Joker]

helluva three cone drill though....

 

[Salva135]

Salva, the Tebow vs. Hernandez combine stats were posted in a thread titled "should Tebow be used as a QB or TE". First question I'd have is whether a person was athletic enough to be a TE. If not, no reason to get into a deeper or more complicated discussion about it. Good way to illustrate that a person might very well be athletic enough for the position ? Post his three cone and shuttle drill times as compared to one of the best TEs in the business.

I really don't understand why people absolutely lose their minds when it comes to someone posting comparison stats for Tebow, when those very same people will turn around and compare two other players in a heads up stats comparison.

Seriously, if there was a thought of converting any other 2nd/3rd stringer to TE, and someone posted his shuttle and 3 cone times with a comparison to Hernandez's to demonstrate that he was athletic enough so it might work, there wouldn't be any kind of fuss about it.

let me ask you, Demo, did Tebow ever go to the Denver or Jets coaching staff and tell them, "I think I can play TE, let me work out with that group?" Because that never happened. And Tebow happened to fall onto the most TE-happy team in the league. They are working on Ballard and Sudfeld before they even think of "teaching" Tebow how to play the position of Tight End. This is not a slap-**** team, if you want to convert positions you have to beat the competitors, and there are many, many.

 

[Triumph]

Thanks Iron. Joker gives me a whole new reason to hope that Tebow makes the final roster, even if it's as the water boy

Tebow will make the roster as a QB.

Right now, he is the only backup QB who has actually ran an NFL offense in the regular season and won games as a starter.

 

[Triumph]

helluva three cone drill though....

Hellavu throw by Sanchez.

 

[Triumph]

And you appear to like him principally "for political and theistic reasons." I don't like or dislike him as a person because I don't know him. Perhaps you do. I just know this based upon empirical evidence: he has neither the physical nor cognitive ability to be consistently successful as an NFL QB. If he can help my team, that's great. If he can't, I hope he's dismissed quickly so someone who can help my team gets his roster spot.

And you are?

NFL Scouts and HCs didnt think Brady would be a successful NFL QB. But you arent even employed bv the NFL, but can tell us with certainty that Tebow doesnt have what it takes.

 

[Jackson 2]

And you are?

NFL Scouts and HCs didnt think Brady would be a successful NFL QB. But you arent even employed bv the NFL, but can tell us with certainty that Tebow doesnt have what it takes.

Not just me, sport. The vast majority of people who judge players for a living agree with me. 31 teams said "no thanks." Why?

 

[Ironman44]

Not just me, sport. The vast majority of people who judge players for a living agree with me. 31 teams said "no thanks." Why?

But the best team with the best coaches said yes.

Let's see how it plays out , he might not even make the team.

 

[Rob0729]

First, the onslaught of Tebow fans is overrated. I read JetsInsider and TheGangGreen last year and I didn't see many. Most of the people calling to put in Tebow were longtime fans who were fed up with Sanchez more than wanting Tebow.

Second, it is a whole new ball of wax. Tebow is no longer the guy who saved the Broncos season. He is the guy who couldn't get on the field even with Sanchez and an even worse still competing with him for the starting job. To that point, last year he was sitting behind Sanchez who all but a diluted few wanted benched. This year, he is competing with Brady who no one wants taken off the field even for a gimmick play or two.

There will be some who want him to get a shot at other positons. I wouldn't be against it, but certainly not advocating. But I think the Tebow mania even if he makes the team will be minimal.

 

[Ironman44]

Ok well then, no one cares about the "athleticism" comparison between Tebow and Hernandez because Hernandez plays the TE position at a very high level in the pros and Tebow has no real experience. Soo... before you get all upset about an athleticism comparison between the two, recognize that Hernandez is proven and awesome, and Tebow is not.

Why would you post those combine comparisons other than to suggest that Tebow could step into the TE role as well as Hernandez?

Salva it would be easier if you just read the post.

Again ( for the third time ) it was in reference to a post that said AH athleticsism was laughably better than Tebow . Not his ability as a tight end but his ATHLETICISM . I then posted combine stats which are available to anyone with an Internet connectiion.

Also I'll say this AGAIN , Tebow is not an nfl tight end and probably never will be.

I can't be clearer than that.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

can we agree on this:

Bill Belichick does not reserve charity roster spots on the 53 man roster.

Any of the borderline players who stick, including Tebow, will have demonstrated something of value to the team over the next 12 weeks, something to make BB feel contributes to a better chance of WINNING.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Not just me, sport. The vast majority of people who judge players for a living agree with me. 31 teams said "no thanks." Why?

I find that line of thinking absolutely ridiculous. There are tons of examples of players being "missed" by everyone, being passed on by all 32 teams multiple times.

But you could easily argue that a lot of teams could use Tebow as a QB if GMs weren't afraid of the media attention and scrutiny that went with him.

Say what you want about his skills as a QB, or how your grandmother could throw a deep ball better, or how he can't read a defense. But in his one year as a starting QB, he had a 72.9 QB rating, a 12-6 TD to INT ratio (plus 6 more TDs rushing), and a 7-4 record as a starter.

There are a few teams whose starters didn't produce at that level in 2012 (Browns, Cardinals, Chiefs, Jaguars, Titans, and yes, the Jets), but even if you don't buy into Tebow as a starting QB, you could EASILY argue he's a better option than a lot of the back-up QBs in this league.

Besides the above-mentioned teams, he's an upgrade in Pittsburgh (Bruce Gradkowski), Baltimore (Tyrod Taylor, Caleb Hanie), Oakland (Terrelle Pryor), and St. Louis (Kellen Clemens) just to name a few.

In a league where John Skelton gets to start multiple games last season, there is absolutely a place for Tim Tebow, maybe not as a starting QB, but he's certainly a better QB than some of the crap that took NFL snaps out there last season.

None of this is to suggest he'll even make the roster here. But you're delusional if you think he's not worthy of a roster spot somewhere in the NFL based solely on talent.

 

[blackglass3]

If Brady goes down for any length of time, I am on board with a healthy Mallett vs. Tebow debate. If Brady is healthy, and people saying that maybe Tebow should get a shot running the offense, are trolling plain and simple.

 

[Salva135]

Hellavu throw by Sanchez.

I'm putting the blame on that one on... everybody.

 

[Salva135]

If Brady goes down for any length of time, I am on board with a healthy Mallett vs. Tebow debate. If Brady is healthy, and people saying that maybe Tebow should get a shot running the offense, are trolling plain and simple.

What happens if Brady goes down again like '08? Do you run with Mallett or try to install a completely different offense to accommodate Tebow? The Pats' offensive system is the complete opposite of what Tebow is successful at, which makes McDaniels' infatuation with him so puzzling.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

What happens if Brady goes down again like '08? Do you run with Mallett or try to install a completely different offense to accommodate Tebow? The Pats' offensive system is the complete opposite of what Tebow is successful at, which makes McDaniels' infatuation with him so puzzling.

an attraction to virginal young males?