Today and Tomorrow Could Be Very Transaction Busy

[shmessy]

What possible reason(s) for the Ebert obsession?
He showed nothing pre-season and the Pats who know him best obviously have no interest in him q.v. Salas.

For most of the preseason, he was on the shelf with a hammy. Yet he still had 6 catches for 43 yards. Seemed like a short span to just cut him. What does journeyman practice squadder (yes, in just 1+ years he's done the circuit of Minnesota, GB, SF and now NE twice) Kerry Taylor mysteriously offer?

Wouldn't it have been beneficial to at least see what Ebert had when healthy?

 

[PP2]

For most of the preseason, he was on the shelf with a hammy. Yet he still had 6 catches for 43 yards. Seemed like a short span to just cut him. What does journeyman practice squadder (yes, in just 1+ years he's done the circuit of Minnesota, GB, SF and now NE twice) Kerry Taylor mysteriously offer?

Wouldn't it have been beneficial to at least see what Ebert had when healthy?

If there was any benefit at all, he'd be on the PS. My guess is that he simply couldn't grasp the offense.

 

[shmessy]

Danny Aiken had one snap yesterday that Mesko had to move for, but other than that he seemed ok. I was thinking we might see Lonnie Paxton this week.

God, I hate third nipples.

Long snappers are the toll booth attendants of the NFL.

 

[shmessy]

If there was any benefit at all, he'd be on the PS. My guess is that he simply couldn't grasp the offense.

He's a rookie, who in 2 PS games with a bad hammy caught 6 for 43 yards. It's not like he was Ochocinco.

 

[captain stone]

Kyle Love is a good example of why it's a good idea to have a spot or two for a development defensive lineman.

By all accounts, Francis outperformed Bequette and has the same positional flexibility. Ask the Jets how well it worked out with Woodhead and McKnight keeping a draft pick over a player who outperformed him.

Dennard's talent makes him worth keeping, If he can't get healthy, he'll eventually end up on IR, he won't get cut.

Bolden backs up Ridley. Garbage time runs into a stacked line to run out the clock are not what he should be judged on.

Salas, who knows, they liked him enough to trade for him but that means little. Might need a while to get up to speed. Nice to see younger legs at the position though. The need for Branch and/or Gaffney is highly overrated IMO.

Hilliard, probably most likely to go but could potentially back up Ridley I suppose. I would think Hester would be an improvement at the position.

While I would still like to see Gaffney return when healthy, I generally agree w/ the rest of the post,
esp the last line; Hester would be an absolutely huge upgrade over the useless JAG Hilliard.

 

[Rob0729]

Although I knew nothing was going to happen today (roster moves can't be done until Tuesday after MNF ), I think the Pats will bring back either Brnch or Gaffney tomorrow. Possibly both.

 

[PP2]

He's a rookie, who in 2 PS games with a bad hammy caught 6 for 43 yards. It's not like he was Ochocinco.

If the Patriots really wanted him, he'd be roommates with Jeff Demps by now.

 

[mgteich]

We already have 2 developmental defenders: Rivera and Ebner.

I'm sure that Belichick will not cut all 5 of the players I mentioned, hoping to get them on the Practice Squad. They all have potential value or they wouldn't be here. That is NOT the issue. The question is who, if anyone, would be of more value to the patriots than the risk of cutting one of these players.

Kyle Love is a good example of why it's a good idea to have a spot or two for a development defensive lineman.

By all accounts, Francis outperformed Bequette and has the same positional flexibility. Ask the Jets how well it worked out with Woodhead and McKnight keeping a draft pick over a player who outperformed him.

Dennard's talent makes him worth keeping, If he can't get healthy, he'll eventually end up on IR, he won't get cut.

Bolden backs up Ridley. Garbage time runs into a stacked line to run out the clock are not what he should be judged on.

Salas, who knows, they liked him enough to trade for him but that means little. Might need a while to get up to speed. Nice to see younger legs at the position though. The need for Branch and/or Gaffney is highly overrated IMO.

Hilliard, probably most likely to go but could potentially back up Ridley I suppose. I would think Hester would be an improvement at the position.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

We already have 2 developmental defenders: Rivera and Ebner.

I'm sure that Belichick will not cut all 5 of the players I mentioned, hoping to get them on the Practice Squad. They all have potential value or they wouldn't be here. That is NOT the issue. The question is who, if anyone, would be of more value to the patriots than the risk of cutting one of these players.

Rivera may be more of a journeyman who earned a spot more than a developmental player. He's been bouncing around practice squads and preseason rosters since 09, Pats are his 5th organization and he's 26 years old. Ebner plays ST and is one of only 4 safeties on the roster so he should see some playing time on D at some point. I don't fully understand classifying just those two as developmental players.

As far as the other 5:
Bolden I don't see getting cut especially if they are serious about the running game. Vereen hasn't shown he can stay healthy (or much of anything else IMO), Woodhead's a 3rd down back, Hilliard seems expendable but it's early.
Salas - could be a great move or could be gone next week, I don't know.
I don't want to cut lineman who could develop, so I'd like to keep both Francis and Forston - not sure they would clear waivers. It may come down to waiving one and keeping the other.
Dennard, I'd definitely keep or put on IR.

I'm sure they'll tweek the roster a little but I don't know if who is out there that would make a huge difference. Connolly, Wendell, Welker, Love, Arrington and Gregory were all undrafted nobody's at one point and all started for the Pats on Sunday. That's 1/4 of the starting lineup. There is value in developing these players.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

While I would still like to see Gaffney return when healthy, I generally agree w/ the rest of the post,
esp the last line; Hester would be an absolutely huge upgrade over the useless JAG Hilliard.

Yeah, I'm not gonna lose sleep over it one way or another. Salas, Branch, Gaffney or someone else - none of them would figure to be a big part of the offense unless injuries occur. At least Salas could have potential upside.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

So the guy who played 4 plays is worth less than the guy who played zero because of something that happened on a play neither of them played?

Seriously?

Once again you appear to have a reading comprehension issue compounded by an "excessive desire to argue about anything and everything" issue.

As I said: "no less than" does not mean "greater than". Zero impact = zero impact. I am not saying Hilliard ought to be cut. I am saying that I saw no reason to think he is safe just becuase he set foot on the field and others did not. The 4 plays where Hilliard did nothing added no more, admittedly just to my non-professional eyes, than the zero plays of far less experienced developmental players.

Hilliard is a blocking fullback. On perhaps the one play where a blocking fullback was needed most, a goal line play, Connoly was used instead of Hilliard. You do not think it is significant? Seriously? It is a very specialized role, blocking fullback. If another specialist, our long snapper for instance, were benched in favor of another long snapper in the middle of the game on crucial field goal attempt, wouldn't that be significant in evaluating the one-game performance of the starting long snapper and his possible job security?

If you think 4 plays for a blocking FB is enough to judge him useless, you are kidding yourself.

As I said, and as you ignored, one game is just one game. A single data point is not a trend. Maybe there are behind-the-scenes explanations for the game-day worthlessness of such an experienced veteran as Hilliard on Sunday, and he has been a star in practice and he is irreplacable.

It is of course a snap judgement to evaluate someone on only 4 plays. We were discussing, however, Sunday's game and just who might it be that will give up his roster spot, should another vet be re-signed (Branch, Gaffney, Waters, ??). Based upon an admittedly very limited amount of info, one game, Hilliard to me seems to me on a short list of players who could be on-the-bubble, perhaps even over players who did not see the field at all on Sunday but that may have more significant developmental potential.

It's an opinion. That's what we post here.

 

[Jimke]

Rivera may be more of a journeyman who earned a spot more than a developmental player. He's been bouncing around practice squads and preseason rosters since 09, Pats are his 5th organization and he's 26 years old. Ebner plays ST and is one of only 4 safeties on the roster so he should see some playing time on D at some point. I don't fully understand classifying just those two as developmental players.

As far as the other 5:
Bolden I don't see getting cut especially if they are serious about the running game. Vereen hasn't shown he can stay healthy (or much of anything else IMO), Woodhead's a 3rd down back, Hilliard seems expendable but it's early.
Salas - could be a great move or could be gone next week, I don't know.
I don't want to cut lineman who could develop, so I'd like to keep both Francis and Forston - not sure they would clear waivers. It may come down to waiving one and keeping the other.
Dennard, I'd definitely keep or put on IR.

I'm sure they'll tweek the roster a little but I don't know if who is out there that would make a huge difference. Connolly, Wendell, Welker, Love, Arrington and Gregory were all undrafted nobody's at one point and all started for the Pats on Sunday. That's 1/4 of the starting lineup. There is value in developing these players.

I agree with you 100% on Francis and Forston. The Patriots hit pay dirt
this year with regard to front seven players in both the draft and their
undrafted players. Next year, Forston will replace Brace and Francis
Scott. Brace and Scott have contracts that expire after 2012.

 

[Urgent]

Will you call me a genuine genius too? I'll do anything in return. I've only managed to be called a dope, dingbat, space shot, moron, and simpleton. Somebody once called me Ray Ray's brother. I'm down man. I need an injection of self esteem. Can you spare a dime?

You can't be nearly as pathetic as you sound.

How is that as a compliment?

 

[Urgent]

...admittedly haven't read all eight pages...

I would love to see Carter come back. I'd drop Forston or Francis in a second, and hope they make it to the PS. Forston first - Deaderick, Brace, and Love are all young, and Pryor is on PUP.

Put Carter at LDE. He is powerful enough to set the edge, bigger than Ninkovich. Let him rotate with Ninko and Cunningham. One spot where they can make the defense better.

 

[JJDChE]

Tick, tock, tick, tock.


I predict we don't make any roster moves.

 

[Ring 6]

Tick, tock, tick, tock.


I predict we don't make any roster moves.

But wait, everyone keeps telling me BB cut all of these players he wants on the roster to be cheap and not have to guarantee their salaries.
Can this really be another year where that doesn't happen?

 

[JackBauer]

Tick, tock, tick, tock.


I predict we don't make any roster moves.

You're probably right, though I wouldn't mind replacing Hilliard with someone who doesn't suck.

 

[jmt57]

For what it's worth ...

Twitter/Mary Paoletti

Patriots worked out QB Curtis Painter. + Stephen McGee, Jamel Hamler, Demarco Sampson, Jeff Charleston, Monte Taylor, Chris Carr, David Caldwell​

 

[Ring 6]

Once again you appear to have a reading comprehension issue compounded by an "excessive desire to argue about anything and everything" issue.

Please explain. Someone stated the player is useless as the FB after he played 4 snaps.

As I said: "no less than" does not mean "greater than". Zero impact = zero impact.

The comment said he contribute the same or less.

I am not saying Hilliard ought to be cut. I am saying that I saw no reason to think he is safe just becuase he set foot on the field and others did not. The 4 plays where Hilliard did nothing added no more, admittedly just to my non-professional eyes, than the zero plays of far less experienced developmental players.

Then it was you who had the reading comprehension issue regarding the conversation you injected yourself into.

Hilliard is a blocking fullback. On perhaps the one play where a blocking fullback was needed most, a goal line play, Connoly was used instead of Hilliard. You do not think it is significant? Seriously? It is a very specialized role, blocking fullback. If another specialist, our long snapper for instance, were benched in favor of another long snapper in the middle of the game on crucial field goal attempt, wouldn't that be significant in evaluating the one-game performance of the starting long snapper and his possible job security?

The argument wasn't whether a FB is needed, the comment was one is but he isn't it. That is an assessment from 4 plays.

As I said, and as you ignored, one game is just one game. A single data point is not a trend. Maybe there are behind-the-scenes explanations for the game-day worthlessness of such an experienced veteran as Hilliard on Sunday, and he has been a star in practice and he is irreplacable.

Actually I am the one saying it is ridiculous to judge the player on 4 snaps.

It is of course a snap judgement to evaluate someone on only 4 plays.

THAT was my point, and you taking 500 words to disagree with what you agree with?

We were discussing, however, Sunday's game and just who might it be that will give up his roster spot, should another vet be re-signed (Branch, Gaffney, Waters, ??).

No WE were not. I commented on the specific comments on Hilliard.

Based upon an admittedly very limited amount of info, one game, Hilliard to me seems to me on a short list of players who could be on-the-bubble, perhaps even over players who did not see the field at all on Sunday but that may have more significant developmental potential.

That is very true, but it does not add up to 'we need a FB and clearly its not Hilliard' and 'he is useless' which is what my comments were directed at if you had paid attention.

It's an opinion. That's what we post here.

And my opinion is it is ridiculous to determine a player is useless and not the answer based upon 4 snaps in one game.
Somehow you find it ok to villify my opinion, yet claim offense that I have a different one??????????

 

[jmt57]

Eagles cut DB Jaiquawn Jarrett. He was their 2nd round pick from just a year ago, taken 54th overall.

From what I have read Jarrett was constantly out of place and had too many missed tackles after practically being handed the starting safety job.




But wait, from what I have read here good teams like the Eagles never miss on draft picks; only Bill Belichick does!