Ryan Mallett trade speculation

[Rob0729]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

What does that have to do with what they think about Mallett?
If they were willing to give next years #1, which they know could well be a top 10 pick for Mallett today, surely they would have spent a 3rd on him in April. Mallett isnt a better prospect because Manning is hurt.

Again, neither you nor I know what they think about Mallettt.

I have answered why they didn't draft Mallett in April 3 times. If they thought he was the next Peyton Manning, they weren't going to draft him. The Colts firmly believed that Manning was going to play into his late 30s or early 40s without missing a game and playing at an elite level. Why waste a pick on another QB who even if he was elite wouldn't see the field and probably leave in free agency?

For all we know, Polian could have thought that Mallett was the best QB prospect in the draft. He still wasn't going to draft him. It isn't that he is a better prospect, he is now a much bigger need for him. This is a team that didn't even try to get a veteran who could replace Manning for a game or two if necessary until a week ago when they were forced to over pay Collins to come out of retirement.

Again, I don't think this trade will happen, but you are seriously not seeing the situation for what it is. The Colts didn't draft Mallett because they didn't like him. They didn't draft him because they didn't plan on Manning ever missing a game. Their need for a Qb of the future has potentially become their biggest priority and they arguably have a bigger need in that area than any other team depending on how Manning recovers.

 

[PYPER]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Interesting rumor. Unlike many, I'm not hoping Mallet is Brady's successor. I think (or hope) we're at least two years too early at needing to find a successor. I'd like to see Brady finish his career here when he's 40 something. I don't want to see the Patriots force him out like the Packers did to Favre.

I think that the plan for Mallet was for him to become Hoyer's replacement and then be cashed in for a 1st rounder down the road. As such, we'd have to consider trading him now. The key is that we have to get a #1 for him. I might consider a 2013 #1 instead of a 2012 but in that scenario I would need a 2012 #2 to be thrown in as well. What complicates the scenario is that we're talking about the freaking Colts. That's not a team we want to send promising prospects to. They're the ones with the pressing need and b/c of that, they won't be criticized for overpaying but if we get the short end of the stick, it'll sting 10 times worse. I really think that considering our rivalry with them, they should accept the fact that they need to overpay. They need to make us an offer we can't refuse. Anything short of that, no deal.

 

[shmessy]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Why Mallet and not Tim Tebow, Jon Beck or David Garrard?

What has Mallet shown them that others haven't? Their whole system is based on timing patterns, quick releases and audibles at the line of scrimmage. Mallet is a Drew Bledsoe big arm guy. Hoyer would be far better for that system.

Why would the Colts want to give up their potentially high 1st rounder to a team Polian so obviously hates?

Honestly, the blind fantasizing in here tonight is incredible.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Asking if there is another QB they like more than Mallett in net year's draft is a legitimate question. If they think Manning is done or they are questioning whether they are going to give Manning his $28 million option bonus in March, they have to ask themselves these types of questions.

It doesn't mean the Colts pull the trigger on a trade, but they have to start thinking about a contingency plan if Manning never returns or returns a shell of himself. The Colts ran their operation as if Manning was going to play forever. Now they got think there is a possibility that he never plays again. They are behind the eight ball in this respect because they don't even know if they have a Qb on the roster to get them through this year never mind have a future plan.

Again, I say it is doubtful that they trade for Mallett at least until close to the trade deadline, but more likely, if they do, after the season. Saying the Colts have no interest in him because they didn't draft him is silly though. They didn't care about even getting Manning a legitimate back up because he never misses games.

Asking if they think the guy who was drafted 83nd is better than anything they could get with their potentilaly top 10 pick is not a legimate quesiton at all.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Why Mallet and not Tim Tebow, Jon Beck or David Garrard?

What has Mallet shown them that others haven't? Their whole system is based on timing patterns and quick releases. Mallet is a Drew Bledsoe big arm guy.

Why would the Colts want to give up their potentially high 1st rounder to a team Polian so obviously hates?

Honestly, the blind fantasizing in here tonight is incredible.

Because we have him/

 

[The Gr8est]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

I say it is doubtful that they will spend a first. But if you can't see that their situation has radically changed over the last week, you haven't been watching the news. They gave him a five year deal worth $24 million a year about a month ago with a $28 million roster bonus due in March next year (which possibly before they know if he can even be a decent back up ever again). Do you think they would give him this contract now?

In April, they "knew" Manning would be back and healthy and ready to be an elite QB for the next 2-3 years at least. Now they aren't even sure if he will ever play again.

So why couldn't the Pats get a 1st for Mallett? The Colts need Manning's heir, and perhaps more desperately than we know.

What other young QB is out there with franchise QB potential, and is available?

Supply and demand, plus the Colts can start grooming their successor now.

He may have been picked in the 3rd, but many scouts had him as a 1st rounder, and he was reportedly the Pats' highest rated QB in the 2011 draft.

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Asking if they think the guy who was drafted 83nd is better than anything they could get with their potentilaly top 10 pick is not a legimate quesiton at all.

Mallett dropped because of questions about his off the field life, not his play on the field (other than his foot speed which the Colts probably don't care about). Talent-wise, he was arguably as good as any QB in this year's draft. Teams got scared of him because of his potential drinking and drug problem. Now the Colts might not think this is an issue.

Again, I said I don't think this trade happens anyway, but I can see the Colts trying to trade for him if they think Manning could done. It will most likely be a second rounder though. But it is just a hypothetical discussion.

But Polian is going to be desperate if Manning can't return because his arrogance that Manning was never going to miss a game is already biting him in the arse because he had no legitimate back up for Manning. He may have to make a desperate move in the future to get his QB of the future.

 

[TB146]

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If we can't trade Mallet to the Colts for a 1st, how about we loan him for 1 year for a 2nd? We get a pretty decent 2nd round pick, plus Mallet gets a ton more experience than he would holding a clipboard for a year, thus increasing his value for later use.:bricks:

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Why Mallet and not Tim Tebow, Jon Beck or David Garrard?

What has Mallet shown them that others haven't? Their whole system is based on timing patterns, quick releases and audibles at the line of scrimmage. Mallet is a Drew Bledsoe big arm guy. Hoyer would be far better for that system.

Why would the Colts want to give up their potentially high 1st rounder to a team Polian so obviously hates?

Honestly, the blind fantasizing in here tonight is incredible.

There's a rumor out there and we're responding to it. What's your issue with some harmless follow up?

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

Mallett dropped because of questions about his off the field life, not his play on the field (other than his foot speed which the Colts probably don't care about). Talent-wise, he was arguably as good as any QB in this year's draft. Teams got scared of him because of his potential drinking and drug problem. Now the Colts might not think this is an issue.

Exactly when did those issues go away?
He is still the same guy, even though Peyton Manning got injured.

 

[Brewmaster]

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If we look at the Eagle's trade of Kolb they received a player as part of the compensation. Colts trade for Hoyer/Mallet in exchange for a safety. I don't see the Colts trading a first.

 

[shmessy]

Re: Rumors Galore!! Could Ryan Mallett be traded to....

So why couldn't the Pats get a 1st for Mallett? The Colts need Manning's heir, and perhaps more desperately than we know.

What other young QB is out there with franchise QB potential, and is available?

Supply and demand, plus the Colts can start grooming their successor now.

He may have been picked in the 3rd, but many scouts had him as a 1st rounder, and he was reportedly the Pats' highest rated QB in the 2011 draft.

So, if you were Polian, you would give your most hated rival your potentially #10-#15 pick for a huge question mark big armed guy that no one touched until the third round. While at the same time you could get Tebow, Beck, Leinart, Brady Quinn or David Carr for less and David Garrard without even giving up a pick.

Okeeeeee........

 

[patchick]

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Asking if they think the guy who was drafted 83nd is better than anything they could get with their potentilaly top 10 pick is not a legimate quesiton at all.

Andy, did you really just say that a player drafted at #83 can't possibly be better than a future player who might be drafted with a pick potentially in the top 10? Because it sure looks like you just said that.

Besides, we all know that Mallett was NOT a normal 3rd-round QB. He had the best arm in the draft, but his reputation/personality scared off the teams that needed a face-of-the-franchise immediately. I marveled at the time that another team with an over-30 franchise QB didn't go for him first, but the Colts had only 2 picks before Mallett and devoted them both to patching up their mess of an OL.

 

[The Gr8est]

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So, if you were Polian, you would give your most hated rival your potentially #10-#15 pick for a huge question mark big armed guy that no one touched until the third round. While at the same time you could get Tebow or Beck for far less and David Garrard without even giving up a pick.

Okeeeeee........

Are you seriously comparing the future franchise QBness of Mallett to Garrard, Beck, and Tebow? If the Colts think Manning may never be the same they aren't looking for a stop gap.

 

[patchick]

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If we look at the Eagle's trade of Kolb they received a player as part of the compensation. Colts trade for Hoyer/Mallet in exchange for a safety.

Honestly, that was my first thought...then I remembered we're talking about the Colts' defensive backfield.

 

[ausbacker]

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And 3 posters out of a handful in the thread.
Getting a 1st from the Colts for Mallett is preposterous.
If Manning recovers they would have wasted it.
Why would they trade their #1 pick for a 3rd rounder instead of using it on a legit first rounder?
Who even says the Colts like Mallett? There are many other young QBs out there they may like better and/or wouldn't need to give up their 1st to get.

Why is it preposterous? It's no less preposterous than organizing a trade in 2011 for 2012 picks.

Do you not concede that had the Colts known about the severity of Manning's condition come draft time they may have drafted a QB?

When did draft position become the ultimate measure of a player's worth and projected success in the NFL? If that were the case, Tom Brady would have never seen a snap in the NFL.

Who says the Colts don't like Mallett? I don't know if they do or they don't but when discussing a hypothetical situation about the possibility that the Colts may have inquired about Mallett, holding your position and refusing to budge is frankly, stupid. I acknowledge that if the Colts are inquiring about Mallett they'll be inquiring about other QB's too.

It's a hypothetical discussion Andy. The sooner you accept that the better.

 

[Ring 6]

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Andy, did you really just say that a player drafted at #83 can't possibly be better than a future player who might be drafted with a pick potentially in the top 10? Because it sure looks like you just said that.

Not whether or not he will turn out to be but whether the Colts would trade a top 10 pick next year for last years 83rd who has done nothing.
Surely you aren't suggesting that any team would think it wise to give up next years #1 for the 83rd pick who hasn't played a game right?

Besides, we all know that Mallett was NOT a normal 3rd-round QB. He had the best arm in the draft, but his reputation/personality scared off the teams that needed a face-of-the-franchise immediately. I marveled at the time that another team with an over-30 franchise QB didn't go for him first, but the Colts had only 2 picks before Mallett and devoted them both to patching up their mess of an OL.

Those issues didnt go away. He is still the same guy, still viewed as too risky for a 1st round pick. How does he move ahead of all of next years QB class? Why would he be the QB the Colts target and have to have? There are a lot of young Qbs out there that don't have those issues and risks and wouldn't require a #1 pick.

 

[Rob0729]

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Exactly when did those issues go away?
He is still the same guy, even though Peyton Manning got injured.

Well, those issues may never have been a real situation to begin with. It is enough to scare some teams away, but it doesn't mean they are real.

Again, many people thought Mallett was the best QB in the draft. Polian could be one of them. He could also think he is garbage. Who knows?

We are just talking hypotheticals at this point.

Again, before last week, drafting a QB before the sixth or seventh round was ridiculous to Polian. Now they need to consider trying to trade up to get Andrew Luck next year or another contingency plan.

Again, IF the Colts do end up trading for Mallett, it will most likely be a second rounder. I woudn't even bet on that at this point. There is a decent chance that Polian doesn't draft a Qb next year, pays Manning the $28 million option bonus, and just believes in blind faith at Manning returns to his elite status next year.

 

[spacecrime]

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Manning's job requires precision, Alstott's did not, they're also different injuries. If Manning can't get the ball downfield quick and/or accurate enough he's done.

Same basic operation for both players.

The thing that would keep Manning out for life would be fear of further damage to his neck, not that his accuracy or ability to quickly read a defense would suffer.

The point remains: If Collins doesn't work out, the Colts need a vet QB for this year, not a rookie. They aren't going to give up a first for a QB when Manning might be back. That makes no sense.

Give up the first only IF manning doesn't come back, and they won't know for 2-3 months. Time enough to think about trading when they know more.

Talk about a tempest in a teapot.

 

[Rob0729]

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So, if you were Polian, you would give your most hated rival your potentially #10-#15 pick for a huge question mark big armed guy that no one touched until the third round. While at the same time you could get Tebow, Beck, Leinart or David Carr for less and David Garrard without even giving up a pick.

Okeeeeee........

Well,if the Colts are looking for a QB of the future, that pretty much eliminates Tebow, Beck, Carr, or Garrard. None of those guys are more than short term fixes and not even good ones at that. If the Colts actually do trade for mallett is because they think he can replace Manning permanently. Of all the guys mentioned, only Tebow might ever become that QB of the future and that is doubtful.

I look at it this way though. If Belichick thinks that Mallett could become a top tier QB, why would you trade him to the Colts for anything less than their first rounder.

Again, I don't think this trade will happen, but you are comparing two different types of QBs. You are saying that theColts should fix their long term needs at Qb with stop gap fixes over a QB with the potential of being their QB for the next 10 years.