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2. I hope everyone on this thread who says I do not know what I am talking about...will admit they are wrong when the Patients finish their 9-7 season

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3. Those self appointed experts on this board who pelt those with differing opinions with harsh insults have succeeded in ruining the board...congratulations...its a DEAD BOARD!! youve managed to scare people away from taking any chances withh their opinion...you know who you are


Anyone who's such a weenie that they can't handle either opposing arguements or some scary net bully who takes offense at their post and simply disses them really needs to get a life.
 
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Give us names. Which FAs did you want? And would you rather have had them than Wilfork, Bodden, TBC, Faulk, or Neal? Because if you count the guys the Pats kept, this has been one of the best offseasons so far.

O.K. This is nuts. ramon is right. We seem to believe on this site that Brady is going to last forever. In case you guys want to know and that includes the De Facto Presidente of this site, "lil Ceasar" DeBruinz because he will comment on anything I write beacuse he never adds anything and he needs to wake up this morning anyway (good morning Cousin!). All hail to you DeB!

You want a list? Here goes.

These "resigns" should have already have been done and never had to happen this off season anyway, These should have all been finished prior so any "homer" that thinks the Patriots F.O. "did their job", they did not (well they did but better late than never). It sounds good but if you think that this made for a good off-season you are kidding yourself. You have got 14 holes to fill and you resigned the same guys who we walked off the field with against the Ravens. Have we gotten one bit better?

If you also are delusional and think that signing twelve 21 year old kids are going to make our problems go away and the holes all filled, you are kidding yourself. 18% of those picks will make a difference by year 2013 upon NFL average. That is 2.16 players (say 3) will become "full time long term starters", "solid upper tier contributors" (kicker, punter, returner) or "All Pro present or potential" picks. That is just three Cousins. If we hit on four it will be considered a monster 2010 Draft for the Patriots. Now what do we do about the other holes? Plug in some JAGS or attempt to make the Team better by FAs or....trades (which is what I believe Cousin ramon could have meant as well).

You have some quality players that will make a difference in 2010 (not 2013...please remember TB isn't getting younger) that you can get. Some are not really my cup of tea but they make us better. Some are going to cost too much to sign which is a huge consideration.

I don't care what the homers say, the Pats fell asleep on the Boldin deal. I am not giving that a "In BB we Trust" certification. That was a pure FO "My Bad".

You have a list of players that can make a difference that you can really get. All you very sarcastic Cousins don't give me any Madden crap. I wouldn't even know who is on the cover of that kids game. Yes some are way too expensive to fit but here is a list of trades and FAs that can make this team better and I am not a personal fan of some.

1-RFA Brandon Marshall WR (hate the person, love the player but he will cost) He makes the Pats better in one signing. He costs us our #22 but he is insurance for Moss and 26 years old.

2-RFA Ray Edwards DE/OLB. He costs us our #22. He will be money to resign but I don't expect too bad. Don't give me baloney that he is good because he played on a good D Line unless you are telling me Warren and Wilfork are a weak link here.11 sacks in his last 11 games and only 25. There is absolutely not one player in this Draft at #22 or down better. No one will disagree with me. Biggest no-brainer move for the Pats in 2010.

3-Greg Olsen TE. We need a move TE, He is also 25 and 70 receptions last year. It has been stated (and not by me Mr. DeB) that the Bears have interest in James Sanders. Yet we are throwing about the idea of going for Gronkowski, McCoy or Pita (same age). How the hell does that make sense if you can get Olsen for Sanders and or a lower pick? The Bears picked up another vet TE anyway.

4-Steve Smith WR (Panthers). I have thrown this out there not by fact but reason. Smith is 31. Older WR has never been a problem for the Pats. Smith can still stretch the field. He has a present reasonable contract until 2013. He has indicated that they need to dial up someone else to take #1 WR duties. They have basically a rookie QB. They will run more with this kid which can't make Smith happy. At big issue, the Panthers do not have many Draft choices nor a #1 pick and they are in rebuilding mode. One of our second should look attractive. Smith still plays at a high level and again insurance for Moss if he leaves. Also less double teams for Moss and Welker (et al). Smith could catch 80 here in 2010. He is also a highly emotional, gung ho presence in the locker room and plays with attitude.

5-Adam Carriker DE. He is being sought by many Teams because he was miscast as a DT by the Rams and added 20lbs and got hurt. He had a decent rookie season and has been dinged. Now over surgery I see him as the best DE "On the Board" at one of our lower seconds or mid round picks. He is only 26 and has NFL experience. His measurables are better than any DE in the second round or lower. My thought is the Rams need an DT in trade etc, so they can go after Bradford. Would our last year second rounder who was miscast as a NT, Brace be enough with a lower rounder to get Carriker? Sorry to all you non Carriker fans who doth protest. He is being sought by many NFL Teams so one would think they are smarter than you or I. Lose the 20lbs and he will be a great 3-4 DE. Also some of you actually would have us Draft Ordick (including El Presidente)....why?

6-Washington could move Cooley and Santana Moss. They need picks for Shanny. I think Shanny prefers his old buddy Sheffler the TE who the Broncos want to move. Some Patriots picks for these two make sense. Moss has a decent contract and for only this year is you want to do the now infamous Patriots "test drive". He is just 30 and 70 receptions from Campbell last year. Cooley is only 27 and recovered from a broken ankle. There is your pass catching TE who can split out like Clark. He ain't Watson! In fact he had as many receptions as Watson did the whole year, in 7 games. Here is something I have thought about. The Skins could be a player for AD. Why on earth? They have no picks, need an OLB to play opposite Orapko and are switching to a 3-4 and have no players on that Defense let alone LBs with 3-4 experience. Snyder would be able to pay AD.

7-Speaking of the Skins. Would I take Haynesworth at $16m (9 million guaranteed) for three years only? Yep for a lower second rounder, why not? He is only 29. They say he takes plays off. Seems we had an ALL PRO DE that did some of that and we kept him for a while because when they want to play both players could dominate. When is the key.

(7a? How about Haynesworth, Cooley and Santana Moss for a couple of seconds perhaps #47 and #53 and AD who is really a need for them? If fills needed positions with quality. Yep they are not 21 and yes they will cost more, but this Block Buster still gives us some decent Draft picks to get younger and makes the Pats a front runner for the Super Bowl over what we have now and some kid Draft choices versus a trio of experienced Pro Bowl players (2) in their prime.....just sayin)

8-I am no fan of Merimman, but the Chargers would move him and could he make the defense any better? Will he come back form his injuries (or roids)? You can trade not a #1 pick for him I am sure. Gamble yes. Younger yes.

9-Jared Gaither OT Ravens. What? Not sexy? This guy could be had for a second or third and is only 24. He's got to be an upgrade on Kcazur who is now 30. This allows us to see if Volmer can take over LT. Maybe we pick up something then for Light (and he is one of my all time Pats but at the end of his contract and we know what has been the climate of the Pats FO if they have a capable replacement in line). The Bears, Redskins and Seahawks could be a landing spot.

10-T.O.? I don't know but he is an upgrade on anything we have at #3. The reports on Mr. Tate suggest good KR and mediocre WR so why are we all hyped about him. Aiken? A 5 catch per year guy ST player. Patten?........Makes me feel young. I think that although I am not a big T.O. fan he wins at least a few games for us in 2010. Look at it that way when you critique some of these players. ...Can they win a game or two?

So ramon isn't all wrong. He is not whining. He speaks the truth. Hopefully some of these ideas or similar the Pats might have in the works. Only a homer would day we have had a great off season so far. Everyone said patience yet some decent players have come and gone that could have helped this team like Boldin, Wimbley and Gocong (not your Peppers or Dansby so you Madden lovers back off). I am not buying into Murrell, Crumpler or an short squat 32 year old DT as making this a great off-season and the Draft is great but we need way more Cousins.
DW Toys
 
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I love the conspiracy theorists about my name...

Bottom line:

1. Anyone who wants to rely on Rookies to fill in the big talent gaps for this team for the 2010 season is making a big mistake...

2. I hope everyone on this thread who says I do not know what I am talking about...will admit they are wrong when the Patients finish their 9-7 season

3. Those self appointed experts on this board who pelt those with differing opinions with harsh insults have succeeded in ruining the board...congratulations...its a DEAD BOARD!! youve managed to scare people away from taking any chances withh their opinion...you know who you are

So you manage to note the conspiracy theories about your name, but don't even take issue with the claims that you're actually a Jets troll. Interesting.

BTW, who are the "Patients"?

TROLL.
 
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If you want to complain that the Pats haven't done anything then I have no problem with that, although I like what they've done this offseason. Who else were they expected to sign - the FA market was pathetic this year. They made an offer to Peppers, but what's the point in overpaying for him.
The patriots work offseasons differently than other teams. Some maroons want us to be like the Jets and redskins, neither of whom have any success in the last quarter century.

Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Wes Welker, Ted Washington.

All were products of the pats offseason philosophy. None were picked in the first month of free agency.

If the Jets or Dolphins had 4 picks in the top 53 we'd all be crying that they've positioned themselves in a deep draft to get 4 solid players... It seems that the Pats can't do anything to please people anymore - if they go out and sign a bunch of veterans everyone complains that there getting old and signing JAGS, if they don't sign JAGS and accumulate draft picks then we complain that their to young and not taking advantage of Brady... This is the reason I hardly visit this board anymore - its not the lack of signings by the Pats - its the constant whinning about everything.
fact is, there are a lot of people like ramon who are not Pats fans, but pretend to be because they think they can stir things up more, and when guys like you don't come around, I guess they are being successful. Too bad, but it is telling that his main complaint with this board are the fans who like the pats too much and are always saying what a good team they are.

Used to be someone loyal to the Pats and wished them well year after year were fans. Now they are homers and are not allowed to boost the Pats on their own website.

Well, you and I aren't the owner. He has a wonderful site and in managing it the way he wants it managed. With all the trolls like ramon and buffons like jeffbiologist, this is still the best Pats site around.
 
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I started reading DWToys' post (what can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment) and then I got to Adam Carriker, and couldn't get any further.

Please, just make it stop.
 
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(what can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment) .

It's kind of like my urges to watch SB42 again except I always end up wussing out and sparing myself.
 
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Troll or not, anyone not concerned that as of now the WR starting opposite Randy Moss in 2010 is one of Sam Aiken, Isiah Stanbeck, David Patten or Brandon Tate is whistling past the graveyard.

Of course the flip side is the last two FA WRs were Greg Lewis and Joey Galloway so maybe we're better off just waiting for the draft. ;)
 
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Wait, Boldin went to the Jets? Who knew!?

:p

Are you saying that the Jets, who've had the most awesomest offseason ever, didn't get Boldin? That's unpossible! You must have heard wrong. With Boldin, Rolle and Dansby now on that team, they'll be all but unstoppable.
 
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I love the conspiracy theorists about my name...

Bottom line:

1. Anyone who wants to rely on Rookies to fill in the big talent gaps for this team for the 2010 season is making a big mistake...

2. I hope everyone on this thread who says I do not know what I am talking about...will admit they are wrong when the Patients finish their 9-7 season

The Jets got to the AFCCG with a 9-7 record and a stiff of a rookie QB. You keep making stupid posts and then acting as if you're passing out the Rosetta stone.

3. Those self appointed experts on this board who pelt those with differing opinions with harsh insults have succeeded in ruining the board...congratulations...its a DEAD BOARD!! youve managed to scare people away from taking any chances withh their opinion...you know who you are

If this board is so dead, you should head back to the Jets forums which are your natural home. Those of us who are left on this 'dead board' will try to struggle along without you.
 
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3. Those self appointed experts on this board who pelt those with differing opinions with harsh insults have succeeded in ruining the board...congratulations...its a DEAD BOARD!! youve managed to scare people away from taking any chances withh their opinion...you know who you are

You're a fool. There are 491 people hanging out just in this forum. Only 12 of them are reading your dribble though.
 
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I started reading DWToys' post (what can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment) and then I got to Adam Carriker, and couldn't get any further.

Please, just make it stop.

Wait...... It gets better. Did you see what that idiot said in "7a"? Where does he get this stuff from?
I am with you Jack.
DW Toys
 
Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

I love the conspiracy theorists about my name...

Bottom line:

1. Anyone who wants to rely on Rookies to fill in the big talent gaps for this team for the 2010 season is making a big mistake...

2. I hope everyone on this thread who says I do not know what I am talking about...will admit they are wrong when the Patients finish their 9-7 season

3. Those self appointed experts on this board who pelt those with differing opinions with harsh insults have succeeded in ruining the board...congratulations...its a DEAD BOARD!! youve managed to scare people away from taking any chances withh their opinion...you know who you are

So, the board is slow this time of the year because the "self appointed experts" scared everyone off and not because this is one of the slowest periods of the year for football compounded with abnormally nice weather? Good to know. LOL!!!!

As for relying on rookies, who said they were. There are second year players who will step up. A guy like Edelman was was a rookie and learning a new position could take a huge jump from year one to two especially since WRs take two to three years to develop in this league. Other guys like Butler, Pryor, or even Brace could make a huge jump their second year. Also, because there is no cap, there will be more free agents cut after the draft when teams figure out how they fill their needs.

As for the Pats finishing 9-7, they might. But they might finish 12-4. Brady will be back another year and will be healthy again, his play could jump exponentially. A lot of young guys have another year under their belt. The loss of Pees might actually turn into addition by subtraction since it appears that Belichick blamed a lot of the defensive problems on him.

So if the Pats win the AFC East and your Jets end up being an 8-8 team in 2010, will you be around or will you scurry back to the JetsInsider's board.
 
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just wait until after the draft, and training cap time. and even before the season. the patriots will pick up a very important player or players around that time.
 
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Troll or not, anyone not concerned that as of now the WR starting opposite Randy Moss in 2010 is one of Sam Aiken, Isiah Stanbeck, David Patten or Brandon Tate is whistling past the graveyard.

Of course the flip side is the last two FA WRs were Greg Lewis and Joey Galloway so maybe we're better off just waiting for the draft. ;)

No kidding; the WR situation is currently stuck btwn a rock & a hard place.

I still don't understand what would've been so wrong about signing Coke Zero & re-signing Stallworth. Both one-year Prove It deals for < $1M each: minimal risk, decent reward. And please refrain from playing the Character card; that horse has already left this franchise's barn door.
 
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No kidding; the WR situation is currently stuck btwn a rock & a hard place.

I still don't understand what would've been so wrong about signing Coke Zero & re-signing Stallworth. Both one-year Prove It deals for < $1M each: minimal risk, decent reward. And please refrain from playing the Character card; that horse has already left this franchise's barn door.

I wouldn't have had a problem with bringing in Stallworth, especially given that he had experience in the system and would have came dirt cheap. But Matt Jones is just not a good WR at all.
 
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No kidding; the WR situation is currently stuck btwn a rock & a hard place.

I still don't understand what would've been so wrong about signing Coke Zero & re-signing Stallworth. Both one-year Prove It deals for < $1M each: minimal risk, decent reward. And please refrain from playing the Character card; that horse has already left this franchise's barn door.

There are still some guys out there that could be solid #2 or #3 WRs. Laveranues Coles, Kevin Curtis, Josh Reed, Javon Walker (if he has anything left), Mike Furrey, and Tory Holt. None of those guys are #1 WRs, but the Pats don't need that. They may not need even a #2 depending on how Edelman progresses and/or Welker recovers. Remember Edelman was learning the position last year and potentially has skills that Welker doesn't (although he is probably never going to be the slot receiver Welker was, he might be able to play outside more). There is a chance he turns into a very solid #2 WR this season.

I assume Coke Zero is TO? I don't want him. He is all about him. The Pats don't need him.

As far as Stallworth, the guy was sliding down the depth charts when he was here in 2007. He was good for maybe one big play a game (if that), but not a whole lot else. He would have been a good 4th WR if he could play special teams. The guy wasn't a consistent player here.
 
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There are still some guys out there that could be solid #2 or #3 WRs. Laveranues Coles, Kevin Curtis, Josh Reed, Javon Walker (if he has anything left), Mike Furrey, and Tory Holt. None of those guys are #1 WRs, but the Pats don't need that. They may not need even a #2 depending on how Edelman progresses and/or Welker recovers. Remember Edelman was learning the position last year and potentially has skills that Welker doesn't (although he is probably never going to be the slot receiver Welker was, he might be able to play outside more). There is a chance he turns into a very solid #2 WR this season.

I assume Coke Zero is TO? I don't want him. He is all about him. The Pats don't need him.

As far as Stallworth, the guy was sliding down the depth charts when he was here in 2007. He was good for maybe one big play a game (if that), but not a whole lot else. He would have been a good 4th WR if he could play special teams. The guy wasn't a consistent player here.

Coke Zero=Matt Jones
 
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Coke Zero=Matt Jones

Matt Jones?!? Why would the Pats want Matt Jones? Even without his drug problem, I don't know why the Pats would want the guy. Add his drug problems and the fact that he sat out the 2009 season because no one wanted him, and even mentioning him is a head scratcher.
 
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As much as people said "they weren't going to give in" this thread has managed to get almost 100 replies. :rolleyes:

I'm probably one of the most outspoken fans when it comes to off season moves, but even I can agree that there isn't much out there because no new CBA was put in place for whatever reason. Pretty lazy on their part if you ask me.

However, I will agree with some fans that they could've used a player like Anquan Boldin were WR has become a huge need. But, New England would've had to offer a 2nd round pick because they threw away another 3rd rounder on an injury prone DE. With that said, it would'nt have been a good idea to trade a 2nd round pick for a WR that is 30 years old. I'm confindent one of their first 4 picks will be on a WR.

For the people that critize ramon about relying on rookies - look no further than what happend to them in 2009. Last off season was a joke and it bit them in the a** during the season.

Even though this off season is different, I will say what I said last off season. If anybody expects the Pats to make a super bowl run in 2010 they MUST get more production from their 2009 draft class and grab a few players in the 2010 draft that can get on the field right away. In the end, it wouldn't shock me to see the Pats go one and done in 2010 because I believe they have too many holes.
 
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