5 weeks into FA season, Pats' approach still makes no sense

[RayClay]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

The lack of excitement on this board is palpable. The wind has been taken out of most fans' sails by this passive offseason approach...

This offseason sucks...and if you think the draft will make it all better...give it up...

By the way one more thing... this board used to have a lot more interesting threads on a daily basis...but the homers out here have managed to try to scare away anyone with an independent opinion...and they have done a great job...look at this board it is DEAD

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[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

"80s 49ers - Not very good much of the 90s"

The 90's 49ers fielded some great teams. They were pretty much a superbowl threat every year.

1990: 14-2 lost in NFC championship
1991: 10-6 missed playoffs
1992: 14-2 lost in NFC championship
1993: 10-6 lost in NFC championship
1994: 13-3 Super Bowl winner
1995: 11-5 lost in divisional playoffs
1996: 12-4 lost in divisional playoffs
1997: 13-3 lost in NFC championship
1998: 12-4 lost in divisional playoffs
1999: 4-12 Steve Young leaves the team after the 4th game due to a concussion

That is a pretty impressive run.

Jodee

That is true,you got me there but as the decade went on you could see the Niners just not the same team despite the continued winning they failed in the playoffs but did win 1 title, thats why I think Bill Walsh is the best HC in the history of the game.

We can still say the Niners were a much more dangerous team in the 80s and then tailed off slowly in the 90s

 

[RussFrancis]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

That is true,you got me there but as the decade went on you could see the Niners just not the same team despite the continued winning they failed in the playoffs but did win 1 title, thats why I think Bill Walsh is the best HC in the history of the game.

And it was largely Bill Walsh's brilliance, the foresight to acquire Steve Young, those late 80s drafts, which set them up for that 2nd incredible decade of consistently winning football. Hopefully, we're about to witness a similar run for another decade. Expecting it to be entirely with the same QB may just be expecting too much. We'll see.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

This team as of right now has no true leader on defense in the locker room and that worries me.

What about Wilfork, Mayo? Mayo's still new but he seems like a leader.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

Dont teams improve from year to year without squaring up on the panic button?

That has never happened.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

When Miami went from 1-15 to 11-5 and a division champion in 1 year it took away my doubts that anything can happen....and it usually does.

Look out! Lions vs. Raiders in Super Bowl 45

 

[mcmurtry86]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

Troy Brown,McGinest and Bruschi were the biggest hits of Parcells time here,not including Martin who was a Jet early on.

Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Ted Johnson all say "hello!"

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Ted Johnson all say "hello!"

Yeah,those guys too

I loved big Ted

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

Early Prediction.....This thread hits 175 posts Minimum

 

[The Dynasty]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

BB has already addressed this point as to why they weren't as active in FA as fans have thought. BB felt that the FA on the Pats last year were the at the top of the FA class in the whole league so why go after other players when your own FA's are better than the rest of the leagues FA's. Look at the CB position Bodden was probably one of the top 3 CBs available, and the Pats resigned him. TBC was one of the better OLBs out there, Pats resigned him. Faulk, may not have been the best RB out there but he was the best guy that fit the Pats system as well as value. Neal was also one of the better OL available and the Pats resigned him as well. Also, TE became a need and they signed a veteran Crumpler, I feel that they still need to add another TE but Crumpler is a good start.

Although the Patriots still have holes to fill I would not get worried yet, it is only April 7th and a lot of things will happen between now and the season opener. The biggest thing is the draft, with 4 of the top 53 picks you can definitely assume that the team will be able to address their needs here with quality players with how deep the draft is. Also, dont rule out the possibility of a trade, look at the 07 draft and what we did with that. I am not saying that we will make a blockbuster trade but it could happen, you never know. Also, this year during training camp I expect a lot of quality players to be cut during training camp and I could see the Pats adding 1 or 2 of these players when the time comes.

My point is it is way to early to panic, its only April 7. There is so much time until the team hits the field and plenty of ways to address the issues that we have. I expect a much better year than last year, and with a few key additions the team can definitely make another Super Bowl run.

 

[jmt57]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

The lack of excitement on this board is palpable.

I'll give you credit; I wouldn't expect the word palpable to be part of your vocabulary.

The wind has been taken out of most fans' sails by this passive offseason approach.

It's the off-season. The period of time from two weeks after the start of free agency until draft day, there's not much going on. This time of year espn either releagates NFL Live to a time slot after midnight, or doesn't broadcast it at all - for a good reason: there's nothing going on.

Still makes No sense whatsoever.
Brady in his prime with a few more years left. Why not go all out now...like the JETS and try to win it while you still can.

How many times has a team gone with the 'all out now' philosophy and succeeded since the advent of free agency? How many times since the start of free agency have the Jets finished the season with more losses than the Patriots - but the Pats should suddenly start emulating them?

Rely on ROOKIES to get you over the hump, including three second round drat picks...how does that make sense.

Yeah, relying on the draft is dumb. The Colts and Steelers would be much better off following the lead of the Raiders and Redskins.

OK so they didn't want to pay big bucks to Peppers or Boldin...there still were many VETERANS who could have helped this team. Damion Lewis and Alge Crumpler thats how they make this team better

First of all, 31 other teams are looking to sign free agents too. It's not quite as simple as saying 'I want him' and he's signed. Second, who are these other free agents the team should have signed?

One thing is certain...if the PATS don't pick up some veteran playmakers they will not compete with the Jets or Dolphins this year.

Possibly true. But with this being an uncapped year, teams are in no need to cut veterans in order to clear cap space. That means fans of all 32 teams are going to have to wait later than usual to sign free agents this year.

This offseason sucks...and if you think the draft will make it all better...give it up

This offseason has barely begun. There's five months to go to week one. Considering how the team is positioned in the draft this year and next year, it's a bit premature to give it up.

By the way one more thing... this board used to have a lot more interesting threads on a daily basis...but the homers out here have managed to try to scare away anyone with an independent opinion...and they have done a great job...look at this board it is DEAD

Look at the calendar. Check any national site. There's nothing going on anywhere else either. The only thing on the horizon is the draft; that's where all the interesting and topical threads are.

and I will say it in advance to those of you who will try to rip me a new one...(Please be quiet - edited)

Not going to rip you a new one, but considering your opinions maybe you'd be happier being a fan of teams that tend to be more active in free agency: e.g., the Redskins, Raiders, or Jets. It just doesn't seem like you have the patience to be a fan of a team that tries to balance the long term goal of being competitive every year with going all in to win today.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

The lack of excitement on this board is palpable. The wind has been taken out of most fans' sails by this passive offseason approach.

Still makes No sense whatsoever.
Brady in his prime with a few more years left. Why not go all out now...like the JETS and try to win it while you still can.

Ok, I'll bite.....

Rely on ROOKIES to get you over the hump, including three second round drat picks...how does that make sense.

1.) Sanchez was a veteran of how many NFL seasons when he became the Jets' starter last year?

2.) How many years had Mr. Greene been toting the rock for the Jets before taking the reins over the course of last season?

OK so they didn't want to pay big bucks to Peppers or Boldin...there still were many VETERANS who could have helped this team. Damion Lewis and Alge Crumpler thats how they make this team better

While you're definitely overselling the number of quality veterans that were available, it's true that the Patriots missed or passed on some opportunities to upgrade the roster with quality veterans. Boldin is probably the one that stands out the most. I'm sure he'll be excellent for the Jets next season. Ryan and company really stepped up on that one.

One thing is certain...if the PATS don't pick up some veteran playmakers they will not compete with the Jets or Dolphins this year.

The Patriots won more games than either the Jets or the Dolphins last season. While not having added anyone of significance, the Patriots' biggest losses have been Watson and Welker. Welker is a huge loss, but Watson is nothing near that level of loss. Edelman showed that he has the ability to help lessen the blow of losing Welker, and Brady should be improved with a season post-ACL under his belt. Assuming he's able to keep at that level, I don't see where your assertion makes any sense.

This offseason sucks...and if you think the draft will make it all better...give it up

Offseasons usually suck. However, if last year's draft is any indication, this year's draft should help the team quite a bit. Vollmer was overrated by many on this board, but he was still a quality player for a rookie tackle. If he hasn't already done so, he may well pass D'Bustashaw and become the division's #3 LT this season, behind Light and Long.

By the way one more thing... this board used to have a lot more interesting threads on a daily basis...but the homers out here have managed to try to scare away anyone with an independent opinion...and they have done a great job...look at this board it is DEAD

I'm not a homer. I'm still here. I'm not alone. It's simply been a slow offseason. Unlike Jets fans, Patriots fans don't have coaches getting stomach bands, and they don't have their team dumping running backs who gained 1400 yards just last season, so there's less to talk about on the 'main' board. Also, Ian and the mods keep the draft talk off of the main forum, so it appears that there's less traffic than there actually is.

and I will say it in advance to those of you who will try to rip me a new one...(Please be quiet - edited)

You'll have to pardon the people here if they don't appreciate Jets fans showing up here and pretending to be Patriots fans just to bash the team with threads such as the one you started here. It's not the fault of Patriots fans that you're behaving as you are, after all.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

other then 2007 when the pats signed AD Stallworth, and traded for moss and welker, when was the last time BB ever done anything to excite. the fans. this is the pats




they re-signed a lot of there own players on defense. something the pats have not realy done in a long time. the pats are rebuilding. and are going to get younger on both sides of the ball through the draft.



even if the pats signed peppers and anquan boldin, i still don't think they would have won a SB this year. right now i put the pats in the same boat with the texans. a young up comeing team. what some talent. but could not fined a way to beat good teams. we need to give the pats time to grow. who knows they may shock us and pull a 2001.

 

[Marqui]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

he may well pass D'Bustashaw and become the division's #3 LT this season, behind Light and Long.

Vollmer is better than Long.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

Vollmer is better than Long.

No he isn't. Not yet anyway. The sky is the limit, though, for the Berlin Wall.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

other then 2007 when the pats signed AD Stallworth, and traded for moss and welker, when was the last time BB ever done anything to excite. the fans. this is the pats




they re-signed a lot of there own players on defense. something the pats have not realy done in a long time. the pats are rebuilding. and are going to get younger on both sides of the ball through the draft.



even if the pats signed peppers and anquan boldin, i still don't think they would have won a SB this year. right now i put the pats in the same boat with the texans. a young up comeing team. what some talent. but could not fined a way to beat good teams. we need to give the pats time to grow. who knows they may shock us and pull a 2001.

My thoughts exactly,we need a miracle of 2001 to win this year,certainly teams don't fear the big bad Patriots anymore and we are below Elite and above Mediocre right now,I think next year could be a much better chance IF the 2009 draft pans out,this draft should have little impact on the team's fortunes this season,we have what we have with maybe another low profile FA or two added in later for depth.

My goal as a realistic fan for 2010 is for the team to make the playoffs period and I really think we can all consider that a GREAT season if they make it...winning the division would be even better but making the playoffs,even as a #6 wild card would be about what I consider good.

Making the Super Bowl would have to have several things fall in place like key players on some of the better AFC teams missing some action and a sudden resurgence of leadership and desire we saw none of in 2009

The "we have Belichick and Brady and thats all we need to stay in contention" does not work anymore,this team needs EVERY player on the roster to be a hard nosed player who will accept nothing less than a win every week and play like this week was thier last on earth to show something.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

I don't commit money to things I don't value or want in the long term. Why should the Patriots be any different with their playing list? It makes no sense to commit money to people you don't want.

 

[Marqui]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

No he isn't.

Yes he is!

 

[SeanBruschi54]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

Yes he is!

One video is your proof?

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Re: 5 weeks into FA season, PATS approach still makes no sense

Give us names. Which FAs did you want? And would you rather have had them than Wilfork, Bodden, TBC, Faulk, or Neal? Because if you count the guys the Pats kept, this has been one of the best offseasons so far.

I think you miss his point. We know what we have with those players. They will deliver a certain, consistent level of play but there's no reason to believe it will be any different than what we got last year.

I think what he is saying, and what others have said, is there has been next to nothing done in the way of bringing in outside FA talent to improve the team, which is 100 percent true.

And Neal is no prize. A lot of people would have loved to see him walk. He is nothing more than a JAG (if that) at this (very advanced) stage of his career. Faulk is older than dirt, but at least he can still perform. Neal is is chasm.