Trading 34...

[Aussie Patriot]

Drake Maye would be the classic BB pick... so should we do the opposite and take Daniels?

Well if you believe the report, BB was all over Daniels, so Maye it is.

 

[Ivan]

I believe we will use the 3 overall pick on a quarterback... Maye or Daniels, doesn't really matter, it all boils down to who's left on the board at 3...

So what to do with the 34th pick?

Based on past behavior, teams will try to move back up at the end of the first, beginning of the second round to snag a special player they have identified...

would you move the 34th overall - swap of seconds, pick up an additional third/fourth/fifth round pick? last year there were multiple moves at the top of the second...

the 33rd pick was traded, moving from Houston to Arizona to Tennessee. Arizona traded Houston's selection and a third-round selection (33rd and 81st) to Tennessee in exchange for second- and third-round selections (41st and 72nd) and a 2024 third-round selection.

Raiders jumped up to 35... gave up the 38th and the 141st (r5) to jump up 3 slots...

the 34th overall was part of the Goff trade, so not much to glean from that...

If the draft is deep in talent at the WR and/or OL positions, it might benefit us to swap out the 34 for more picks... even an extra 4th round pick will help... unless of course, there is a player that we really want...

I think we really need to consider moving this pick - Not before the draft, but the day of the draft in order to maximize the return... play from a position of strength, capitalize on another teams desperation to our benefit... really think we could get a second (pick swap) and an additional 3rd round pick out of this move...

I’m glad you started this thread. They can go a number of directions here, and they are all good options. If they want to get a #1 WR or a franchise LT they can trade up and come away with a WR like Adonai Mitchell, or a LT like Mims or Guyton. It’s also very possible that a really good prospect at those positions could drop to them.

 

[Ivan]

I would consider moving down into the mid 2nd in exchange for an extra 3rd.

I had been a proponent of this, but my math was off on it. I think I would rather see them move up for Mims, Mitchell, or Guyton.

 

[Ivan]

I would like to move up from #34 to the #15-#20 range for a starting LT, to go with the QB at #3.

However, that would probably cost so much in draft capital it probably isn't feasible.

True, but the 20’s is doable, and there are going to be some really good prospects there, as need ‘tis going indicate some picks that throw the second half of the first round out of whack.

 

[Ivan]

I would not trade down. Trading up for a blue chip player at LT or WR or even CB make more sense to me.

It seems quite possible that we will be able to trade up for a player that we expect to be our starting LT for 5 years, once he is ready to play.

Both Mims and Guyton should be available in the 20’s, and both are worth a trade up. And WR runs deep in this class, so they could easily take multiple W on day 2&3.

 

[borisman]

Miami and Dallas may be our only hope to trade up far enough to land a sliding prospect. Not that the following would be considered serious sliders.
That said, if both Troy Fautanu and Brian Thomas are available after pick 20, do we pull the trigger (our 2nd and 3rd this year) and if so which player do we target or which one do you prefer?
I say yes and draft Fautanu.

 

[Ivan]

Something else to consider. Although Left Tackle is the bigger need there’s a good chance that Jackson Powers-Johnson will also be available, and he’s a player that could be an All Pro ( not Pro Bowl) center for the next 10 years. So as much as I like Mims and Guyton both have work to do to become great players, JP J could be a plug in All Pro center from Day1. So if I were making the move that’s the that I would target, then I would trade up from 68 to target Patrick Paul for the OT. After that draft 2-3 WR’s, and or trade Duggars for Tee Higgins. This could fix their OL for years to come, with Paul, Strange, JPJ , Sow and Onwenu their new OL.


For anyone wondering about getting Paul later than expected his consensus rank is now #52, so he is in range for a trade up from 68.

 

[Love The Drake]

Something else to consider. Although Left Tackle is the bigger need there’s a good chance that Jackson Powers-Johnson will also be available, and he’s a player that could be an All Pro ( not Pro Bowl) center for the next 10 years. So as much as I like Mims and Guyton both have work to do to become great players, JP J could be a plug in All Pro center from Day1. So if I were making the move that’s the that I would target, then I would trade up from 68 to target Patrick Paul for the OT. After that draft 2-3 WR’s, and or trade Duggars for Tee Higgins. This could fix their OL for years to come, with Paul, Strange, JPJ , Sow and Onwenu their new OL.


For anyone wondering about getting Paul later than expected his consensus rank is now #52, so he is in range for a trade up from 68.

If Cincy was interesting in Dugger wouldn’t they have tried to match our tag offer?
A team I could see go for Dugger would be like Seattle.

 

[Ross12]

I had been a proponent of this, but my math was off on it. I think I would rather see them move up for Mims, Mitchell, or Guyton.

Definitely see the appeal in moving up, but they need pieces. I wouldn't mind slotting down in the 2nd in exchange for getting two third round guys. The third round will still be pretty solid this year. Might give you two cracks at tackle prospects instead of one, and you can still get a solid WR prospect at the top of the 3rd, if not amazing. I'd probably be looking to trade for a "true WR1" or sign one next year.

- QB at 3
- example trade: trade down from 34 to 44 with Raiders in exchange for pick 77
- tackle at pick 44
- WR at pick 68
- tackle at pick 77
- after draft, trade 2nd rounder in 2025 to Bengals for Tee Higgins and 2025 5th rounder

 

[bakes781]

I know we are fixated on WR and LT but let's not ignore the possibility of other position prospects sliding.

If JPJ falls for instance he would be hard to pass on.

 

[Ivan]

I know we are fixated on WR and LT but let's not ignore the possibility of other position prospects sliding.

If JPJ falls for instance he would be hard to pass on.

Agree with this. Taking the 6th-Tackle Prospect when you can take a prospect who could be the best center in football for a long long time doesn’t make sense to me. And I’m someone who has been arguing for a tackle or WWR at 34. But this is how teams miss on the Aaron Donald’s and Ed Reed’s. You prioritize a position so heavily that you miss HOF players. And as someone who can talk myself into many things I’m now thinking that going with a trade up for JPJ, and then moving up from 68 to get Paul or another tackle prospect. While they would still need to draft day 3 receivers there OL could very well be fixed for the next few years at a minimum.

 

[Ivan]

Definitely see the appeal in moving up, but they need pieces. I wouldn't mind slotting down in the 2nd in exchange for getting two third round guys. The third round will still be pretty solid this year. Might give you two cracks at tackle prospects instead of one, and you can still get a solid WR prospect at the top of the 3rd, if not amazing. I'd probably be looking to trade for a "true WR1" or sign one next year.

- QB at 3
- example trade: trade down from 34 to 44 with Raiders in exchange for pick 77
- tackle at pick 44
- WR at pick 68
- tackle at pick 77
- after draft, trade 2nd rounder in 2025 to Bengals for Tee Higgins and 2025 5th rounder

For me if they hit big time on QB and OL with their first two picks then I would take that over quantity. There aren’t many “ can’t miss” prospects, I consider JPJ to be one of them.

 

[The Gr8est]

So much of it (trading the pick) depends on how the first round shakes out. Will there be a run on players at a given position that leaves someone available the Pats might have evaluated as a 1st round quality player at a position of need? If so they can hardly pass up keeping 34 for anything less than an insanely substantial haul. OTOH if they believe they can still get 'their' guy further on or that type of player isn't there...
A lot of potential variables with the first few picks in the second

Yes, ask this question after day 1 of the draft.

 

[The Gr8est]

Drake Maye would be the classic BB pick... so should we do the opposite and take Daniels?

BB has an outstanding record at picking QBs.

Tough for one of them to replace Brady, but several went on to start for other teams.

 

[Ross12]

For me if they hit big time on QB and OL with their first two picks then I would take that over quantity. There aren’t many “ can’t miss” prospects, I consider JPJ to be one of them.

IF they hit, though. I'm looking at this as taking two cracks at OT so you have two chances that one's good, over putting more eggs in one basket to get one guy you think has better chances of making it. Ultimately depends on how they view the class.

 

[Boston Boxer]

I would like to move up from #34 to the #15-#20 range for a starting LT, to go with the QB at #3.

However, that would probably cost so much in draft capital it probably isn't feasible.

usually BB would have several picks in several rounds to make that kind of move. This year, we don't have the ammo to make any moves imo.

 

[Steve102]

I believe we will use the 3 overall pick on a quarterback... Maye or Daniels, doesn't really matter, it all boils down to who's left on the board at 3...

So what to do with the 34th pick?

Based on past behavior, teams will try to move back up at the end of the first, beginning of the second round to snag a special player they have identified...

would you move the 34th overall - swap of seconds, pick up an additional third/fourth/fifth round pick? last year there were multiple moves at the top of the second...

the 33rd pick was traded, moving from Houston to Arizona to Tennessee. Arizona traded Houston's selection and a third-round selection (33rd and 81st) to Tennessee in exchange for second- and third-round selections (41st and 72nd) and a 2024 third-round selection.

Raiders jumped up to 35... gave up the 38th and the 141st (r5) to jump up 3 slots...

the 34th overall was part of the Goff trade, so not much to glean from that...

If the draft is deep in talent at the WR and/or OL positions, it might benefit us to swap out the 34 for more picks... even an extra 4th round pick will help... unless of course, there is a player that we really want...

I think we really need to consider moving this pick - Not before the draft, but the day of the draft in order to maximize the return... play from a position of strength, capitalize on another teams desperation to our benefit... really think we could get a second (pick swap) and an additional 3rd round pick out of this move...

Left Tackle, Left Tackle, Left Tackle.

Let's assume it's Maye/Daniels at three, so no trade back for multiple 1's or 2's. Need a LT to protect that investment. I am ok moving back up using 103 and/or 137. I think we can get a WR/OT at 34 and 68, depending on how it all shakes out. I don't want to give up 68 to move back up, because of the depth at the positions you mention. Someone of good value is going to slip.

I think it's going to be too expensive to get back into R1 or R2 without giving up a lot. Trading out of 34 gains them an extra 2 or 3, this year? Sure. I think there's going to be quality players at 34 and 68 for them to fill holes.

 

[Ivan]

IF they hit, though. I'm looking at this as taking two cracks at OT so you have two chances that one's good, over putting more eggs in one basket to get one guy you think has better chances of making it. Ultimately depends on how they view the class.

That makes sense as well, but David Andrews is pretty much toast at this point, and bringing a high quality replacement would really help.

 

[Pape]

Left Tackle, Left Tackle, Left Tackle.

clarify this a bit for me?

lol... yeah, i don't have an issue with trading up, at all... nor do I have a problem moving down a bit in the second providing that the players coming off the board are in alignment with our draft board/goals... If there is a run on OL, then you don't move or try to move up...

I don't think we can afford to be flexible in the 3 spot... but 34? just depends on how the draft progresses...

 

[Pape]

BB has an outstanding record at picking QBs.

Tough for one of them to replace Brady, but several went on to start for other teams.

it was a poke at Sam because of his Drake Maye thread...