The understated key to the Giants, and the difference between NE and NY - Page 3 - New England Patriots Forums

Koma · 02-13-2012, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hoosierdaddy12

Were the Patriots not fortunate to have a regular season schedule that featured two games against teams that finished with winning records?

Was that within the Patriots control? Did they adjust their schedule week by week to play teams that they knew would finish the season .500 or worse? Or should the Patriots have to play a random division leader every week just to make sure they...Ah, why am I wasting my time responding to this?

***Joker*** · 02-14-2012, 12:21 AM

I never said that...what I was referencing was YOU, referencing Gronk in the Giants win in Foxboro...YOU insinuated he did nothing in that game against your vaunted defense...I pointed out that Welker and Gronk ate your freakin' lunch that day and furthermore,that BRADY, through his three turnovers, was the REAL culprit in that loss. I still don't know why you posted what you did referencing Gronkowski...I'll just chalk it up to your unspoken fear and jealousy at what a healthy Gronkowski can do against your defense.

***Sciz*** · 02-14-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by hoosierdaddy12

Let me tell, the Pats wouldn't have fared much better than 9-7 if they had the Giants schedule. Fools good, pal, fools gold.

Patriots: 13-1 against teams 8-8 or below
Giants: 8-4 against teams 8-8 or below

That's the difference. The Packers, Saints, and 49ers I can understand. But losses to the Seahawks, Eagles, and Redskins twice are far worse than losses to the Bills, Giants, and Steelers.

***Joker*** · 02-14-2012, 12:48 AM

answer THIS truthfully: did YOUR life flash before your eyes when Eli threw that flopping wounded duck that TWO SF defenders went after so hard that they knocked each other out of the game in the 4th quarter?..you remember, that 99 times out of 100 sure INT?

cherry picking what ifs work both ways....reality is the only thing that counts...your Giants won the last game of the season...congrats...the rest of this rubbish is just that...

***Sciz*** · 02-14-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hoosierdaddy12

Answer this truthfully....do you think the Pats get past the Falcons, the Packers in Lambeau, and the 49ers in San Fran?

As long as the Packers drop 8 passes and the 49ers have two ST turnovers, absolutely.

tuckeverlasting · 02-14-2012, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hoosierdaddy12

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I hope you folks enjoy another devastating Super Bowl loss at the hands of Eli and the G-Men.

two lucky wins and these guys are talking like they're pretty special. face reality. you guys are gonna fade into oblivion while the pats are going to continue to play in superbowls ad infinitum. i'll give the Gay-men this, they are the best 9-7 team ever.

Gay-men = luckiest team ever !!!

borg · 02-14-2012, 04:05 AM

Losing 2 SBs and a home game to the Gmen.....hats off to the better team

ivanvamp · 02-14-2012, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJohnson

The one Pierre Woods failed to recover in SB 42 was not luck.

It was worse than luck. It was a bad call by the ref. Woods had possession of the ball. He was on the ground. Then Bradshaw dove on him and wrestled the ball free. Because Woods had possession, the *instant* Bradshaw touched him, it should have been down by contact, Patriots' ball. But the refs allowed Bradshaw to rip the ball free.

Woods should have held on. Bradshaw hustled and outfought Woods. Those two things are undeniably true. But equally undeniably true is the fact that Woods HAD THE BALL and it should have been whistled dead the moment Bradshaw touched him.

A bad call that turned out to be a huge play in the game.

***Jackson 2*** · 02-14-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hoosierdaddy12

Let me tell, the Pats wouldn't have fared much better than 9-7 if they had the Giants schedule. Fools good, pal, fools gold.

The Patriots and Giants played 9 games each against common opponents (Wash., Buff., Miami, Phil., Dallas and NYJ). NE was 8-1 in those games and New Jersey was 6-3. See ya...

PatsFan2 · 02-14-2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ivanvamp

During the Giants' playoff run, there were 10 fumbles (not counting the one nullified by the Pats' penalty). 3 Giant fumbles and 7 opponent fumbles. Creating fumbles is a skill; recovering them, as statisticians will tell you, is essentially a 50/50 proposition. You can be in perfect position to recover it but, because of the shape of the ball, it could bounce totally away from you. So getting a fumble is mostly luck. Anyway, of these 10 fumbles, the Giants recovered *8* of them. All of them in the Super Bowl. Any one of them goes the other way and it's almost certainly the ballgame.

In the two Super Bowls between the two teams, there were 5 fumbles (4 by the Giants, 1 by the Patriots), and *ALL FIVE* were recovered by the Giants.

In the last 3 games between the two teams, there have been 9 fumbles (6 by NY, 3 by NE), and *8* of the 9 were recovered by the Giants. Again, forcing fumbles is a skill (and NE forced more Giant fumbles than NY forced Patriot fumbles). Recovering them is mostly luck, and those numbers I just cited are so far out of whack with what is statistically normal it boggles the mind.

Yes, we can talk about all kinds of things, but in many ways, the difference between these two evenly-matched teams comes down to the weird bounce of an oblong football.

And, frankly, that's a bit harder for me to take than if NY was simply better.

Add this Giants Defense batting down Brady's balls...Giants Defense putting fear into Brady. Somehow i don't think Eli was afraid of our D.