Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

We are seeing what happens when you miss in the first round so many times. Nick Saban hit gold with Ronnie Brown but other than that, we haven't had a real good first round pick (other than Brown) since OJ McDuffie and or Tim Bowens.

I knew our draft history was bad, but wow, I took a look at this and this is literally unbelievable.

Take a look at this comparison of first round picks the past 10+ years and the 2 teams that have been the best during this decade. *WARNING! NOT FOR THOSE WITH A WEAK STOMACH*

Miami Dolphins
2007- Ted Ginn
2006- Jason Allen
2005- Ronnie Brown
2004- Vernon Carey
2003- NO PICK
2002- NO PICK
2001- Jamar Fletcher
2000- NO PICK
1999- NO PICK
1998- John Avery
1997- Yatil Green

How pathetic is that? 4 times we didn't pick and other than 2 picks we have absolutely nothing with the remaining picks. I know the jury is still out on Ginn but in 4 games he has done nothing. He looks tentative, scared and isn't showing his speed. Ronnie Brown is a super star, Jason Allen is a bust, Vernon Carey is a good right tackle but not a franchise left tackle. 2 straight no picks, Jamar Fletcher was absolutely awful and cost us the playoffs in 2002 vs. the Pats. We are in no position to ever make fun of anyone's drafting, not even the Jets. This is downright awful

Indianapolis Colts
2007- Anthony Gonzalez
2006- Joseph Addai
2005- Marlin Jackson
2004- NO PICK
2003- Dallas Clark
2002- Dwight Freeny
2001- Reggie Wayne
2000- Rob Morris
1999- Edgerin James
1998- Peyton Manning
1997- Tarki Glenn
1996- Marvin Harrison (Had to throw this one on here)

Damn Bill Polian can build a team. Look at the picks from 2006-1996. Every year they landed a guy who is invaluable to their success. (Marlin Jackson is decent and obviously there was a no pick in 2004, but the other guys on that list is ridiculous. Manning and Harrison make up the NFL's best passing combo ever, Edge and Addai are 2 guys that were or will be considered top 10 backs for at least a 5 year period. Dallas Clark and Anthony Gonzalez are guys that fit their scheme perfectly, Tarik Glenn was one of the league's best LTs for years and Reggie Wayne is also a great receiver. Polian can draft.

New England Patriots
2007- Brandon Meriweather
2006- Laurence Maroney
2005- Logan Mankins
2004- Vince Wilfork & Ben Watson
2003- Ty Warren
2002- Daniel Graham
2001- Richard Seymour
2000- NO PICK
1999- Damien Woodey & Andy Katzenmeyer
1998- Robert Edwards & Tebucky Jones
1997- Chris Canty

The Pats went a different route from the Colts, but were just about as effective in their drafting as the Colts. A franchise LT, built the best defensive line in the game, and good running backs too boot. They weren’t great drafts prior to the 21st century, but multiple picks in '99 and '98 helps big time. The Pats always seem to plug any one in but these drafts certainly have a big impact.

Drafting is so important in the NFL and we've seen mediocre teams carried by a few defensive stars over the past 3 years. But finally, we are seeing our lack of draft success in 2007. I'm literally embarrassed of that list we field from the past 12 years or so.

Originally Posted by PonyExpress
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Say what you will about Dungy's coaching abilities, he's one hell of a dad. And that's what really counts.

Originally Posted by Joker
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If only the sanctimonious and holier than thou Dunchy paid just a TAD more attention to his SON'S needs and less pontificating about other teams, perhaps the poor child would still be alive today.

Originally Posted by Keegs
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trust me. I know a LOT about parenting, and i would definitely, definitely, say that Tony Dungy is a horrible father.

Originally Posted by Peytonsbetter

Here's an unbelievable stat for you, one that I didn't even know before the Saints game-the Colt's have only 4 players on their roster who have ever played a down with another team. Vinatieri, Mcfarland, Boiman, and Dan Klecko. That's an amazing statistic and proof of how brilliant Bill Polian is at building a team.

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

It was a 1 year stop gap experiment bridge to a rookie. What are you talking about? No one expected Green to come here and save this franchise for years to come. He didn't play particularly well, but he was great in the development of Beck and leadership he brought to the team.

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

Wow, great blow. Taking a shot at a guy who got knocked out for trying to make a play for his team, classy.

Originally Posted by Hollywood_Brady

the dolphins should have a witch hunt, burn someone, crucify the gm, the coach or whatever... drastic changes should be made... tell the players and everybody else in the nfl that the dolphins are not a joke.... maybe it wont work, maybe it will, but it keeps the interest of the nfl and the fans of the fins ,keep the fans on their toes for they dont know what will happen next and distract them from their losing ways... eventually fins will hit the jackpot (like another tom brady or manning) and build from there.

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

THe jury is still out but if someone held a gun to my head and told me to give my thoughts on Ginn, I'd say it was a bad pick. Patrick Willis would make our defense so much better and give us such a better future. Right now I'm looking at the future of the Fins and there isn't one player I can get excited about on defense, not one. Yeremiah Bell maybe but he's not exactly young at the ruptured achilles doesn't help.

On offense, I have confidence in Cameron's ability to build in offense. The offensive line is actully probably the most solid unit for the Dolphins this season. I have no complaints up front so far and it looks like Samson Satele is going to be a future pro bowl center. (That trade worked good for the Pats and Fins.)

Ronnie Brown is simply a stud, no other way to splice it. The receivers are no good outside of Chambers and Trent Green is awful. I can't wait to see what we have with John Beck.

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

So original, keep it up!

Originally Posted by Aqua4Ever04

Perspective and opinions usuing facts and knowledge opposed to emelementary smack? Hmm.. not much of a contest for me.