Who's better?

Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Carson Palmer
Damon Huard
Tony Romo
Phillip Rivers
Donovan McNabb, before the injury
Marc Bulger
David Carr
Mark Brunell
Just as good as Brady: JP Losman

Don't shoot the messenger. All these QBs have a higher qb rating than Brady does so far in 2006. Whats up wit DAT!

I know you're an age-old Troll around these parts and everything, but isn't your IQ high enough to realize that none of those other QBs lost 80% of their WRs since last season?

Don't you realize that 80% of Brady's WR group was replaced with Caldwell (lower tier FA signed for dirt bucks), Gabriel (acquired in a trade for a 5th rounder), Jackson (2nd Round rookie WR), and Gaffney (street free agent picked up mid-season) and the only holdover is the ancient Troy Brown?

I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but please, have some common sense. Brady is working with matchsticks out there. His WRs this season are horrid. Every one of those other QBs you listed has at least one solid veteran WR that is still productive. Several on the list have pro-bowl WRs. Brady has Reche frickin' Caldwell.

Our #1 reciever is our TIGHT END. Get real buddy. Brady is still Brady, it's his targets that have downgraded.

Baaahhh, don't give me the receivers excuse dude.

You guys had riff raff like JJ Stokes, Dedric Ward, Fred Coleman, Rod Rutledge as your receivers and you won Super Bowls with them! I think your receivers that you have right now are better than those guys. So it's not like Brady's never worked with untalented guys before.

I'm not saying he sucks because that would be stupid. But you have to wonder. Do you still blame the receivers for the 14th week in a row after Brady's had tons of time to work with them? Or do you blame the QB who's playing like his head is not in the game?

He's having an off year, and the point of the thread was me being curious to see what Pats fans think about that.

maybe prozac could help you .your not called RS[really stupid ]for nothing .

That's it. I've warned you enough about your whining. You've been reported.

David Carr has a high rating because he throws a series of dinks and dunks for short yardage, with the occasional big play by Andre Johnson whenever he gets the ball. Also, David would rather take a sack than throw the ball when he is under pressure, so interceptions are uncommon.

Don't be fooled by the rating, though. Carr isn't half the QB that Brady is. If Tom Brady had AJ and Moulds, he would be having back to back 400 yard games.

In every year Brady had at least one reciever he could always depend on.

In 2001 he had a pro-bowl year from Troy Brown in his pinnacle season after YEARS with the Patriots and a great #2 in David Patten (scrap heap player not asked to play the role of #1 WR).

In 2003 Deion Branch (2nd round pick), David Givens (2nd year player) and Troy Brown all three had good years and were experienced in the system after a couple years together as a group.

In 2004 Deion was dinged but still produced, but David Givens continued to produce and David Patten again stepped up as an experienced #2 in our system.

In 2006 his #1 WR is first year (in our system) WR Reche Caldwell who was a scrap heap castoff being asked to play #1 WR. Our #2 WR is one of either Gaffney, Jackson, or Troy Brown. Gaffney has hardly played, Troy is too old now to consistently get seperation, and Jackson is always injured.

It's not a WR 'excuse' you troll, it's reality. Our WR corps is depleted, unexperienced in our system, and 80% new. The past successful seasons there was always at least one experienced player in the WR corp that was still productive. Brady has never had 80% of his WRs replaced between seasons.

A QB and WR don't gain continuity over 14 weeks. Especially when you consider that only Troy Brown and Caldwell had a full TC with Tom. Continuity takes much longer to develop especially when ALL the pieces of the WR picture are new besides Troy. It might be different if it was one or two new WRs, but 80% makes everything more difficult. Or if all the players now in place had a full TC, but they didn't.

Jackson missed all but a week of TC, Gaffney was signed mid-season. Troy is old as hell and has again been playing CB (see 2004 for his WR numbers the last time he split time at CB heavily). Caldwell has produced some, but is still behind Watson in recieving numbers.

This year we're full of inexperienced players at the reciever position. The player with the most accrued time in the passing game besides Troy Brown is Daniel Graham. He has never been a heavy part of the passing game. The next most experienced 'reciever' is Ben Watson, -a second year player-.

And another knock against your 'it's not the WRs' blabbing is the fact that Doug Gabriel was let go. If it's not the ineffective WRs then why are they being released?

I know that the Raiders have no season to speak of, but don't you have at least some sort of football to talk with your own fans about a team you actually know something about/care about?

It's amazing to me that through the years since the last time I spoke with you that you've gained zero objectivity and zero football understanding. Amazing.

LOL @ the Brady excuse machine.

So for 14 weeks in a row it's been the receivers fault, and Brady is totally absolved of any blame for the Pats struggles. It's the receivers fault that Brady's been missing open receivers when no-one was putting pressure on him. It's their fault that he can't throw an accurate deep ball this year. LOL. Right. I know he has the talent, he's proven that, but something is not right with him this year.

Phillip Rivers is having a fine season (arguably a pro bowl season) and I would take the Pats group of receivers anyday over theirs. Why is Rivers having a pro bowl year and Brady isn't?

I forgot, why do I bother with you? You're just here to talk sh*t, not talk football. You're weak.

It's not about assigning blame, you idiot, it's about understanding a situation. The situation with our passing game is still developing, still in flux, and full of inexperience. It's not Brady's fault or the WRs fault that they're not on the same page yet, it takes time for that to happen, and time is something they haven't had alot of together. Grow up, troll.

You've watched every Patriots game and can say that's been happening? If you've watched every snap of every Pats game, I'd suggest getting a life. The thing about our system is that it doesn't matter if a WR is 'open', if he's not open in the spot where he's supposed to be, then it's still wrong. That's happened alot this season. If Brady calls a five yard incut and the WR runs a 7 yarder and the ball clangs at his feet it looks like it's Brady's fault, but it's not, the WR wasn't where he was supposed to be. That's football fact, jackleg, try educating yourself.

Brady threw the deep ball fine last season. With different WRs. The only player that goes deep for us really is Jackson. We have no deep threat at WR besides him. And it's Brady's 'fault' that he's just missing, having balls tip off of WRs fingers? Get real. Everything you say is so blatantly trollish. Why do you bother to come here and waste your time and ours? Don't you enjoy football? Why don't you want to talk football? Why this needless hostility towards Patriots players and fans?

The fact that you'd take the Pats WRs over the Chargers just shows that you don't understand football. It's not their WRs that are better, it's the fact that their WRs are more experienced in their system. They've got guys that have been around a while and can be where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be for their young QB. Oh, and some guy named LT makes the passing game a whole lot easier for that team. You're a chump.